Randle to OKC

[zimpy27]

I think this is the best spot for Randle.
Gives OKC more scoring options.
Randle and Hartenstein had great 2-man lineup numbers when both on the Knicks.


Given that Minny fans seem desperate to move Randle, what could OKC get away with giving for Randle?

I'm suggesting the below:

OKC get Randle, Miller

Wolves get Joe, Wiggins, Dieng, 2025 FRP


SGA, Dort, Jalen, Randle, Chet
Cason, Caruso, Ajay, Kenrich, iHart
Topic, Jones, Miller, Jaylin

Conley, Joe, Ant, McD, Gobert
DDV, NAW, Wiggins, Ousmane, Naz
Dilly, TSJ, Minott, Ingles, Garza

[babyjax13]

Honestly it seems like a reasonable cost and spot, but I wonder if Minnesota wants to trade Randle to someone that might out them in the playoffs?

[zimpy27]

Honestly it seems like a reasonable cost and spot, but I wonder if Minnesota wants to trade Randle to someone that might out them in the playoffs?

Yeah that's the downside for Minny but I'm not sure if there is an East pairing.

And I think at the end of the day a team will focus on improving them than worrying about improving other teams.

Joe and Wiggins are both locked in long term and cost controlled. Helps Minny out a ton.

[winforlose]

I think this is the best spot for Randle.
Gives OKC more scoring options.
Randle and Hartenstein had great 2-man lineup numbers when both on the Knicks.


Given that Minny fans seem desperate to move Randle, what could OKC get away with giving for Randle?

I'm suggesting the below:

OKC get Randle, Miller

Wolves get Joe, Wiggins, Dieng, 2025 FRP


SGA, Dort, Jalen, Randle, Chet
Cason, Caruso, Ajay, Kenrich, iHart
Topic, Jones, Miller, Jaylin

Conley, Joe, Ant, McD, Gobert
DDV, NAW, Wiggins, Ousmane, Naz
Dilly, TSJ, Minott, Ingles, Garza

So the trade fails because it doesn’t give the Wolves any incentive to make it. The Wolves don’t get position help/roster balance, they don’t get salary relief, they don’t get a big to replace the one going out, and they have to shift multiple rotation players out of position. This trade might make OKC better, but please help me understand why the Wolves would say yes?

Also remember we have a mid first from Detroit and a high second from Utah in addition to two firsts from this year. We are also developing Minott and will need to sign Clark because he is not two way eligible. That is 6 roster spots on development players, plus 7 returning rotation players not including Randle. If we add these 3 we are now in 7+3+6 territory with 15 spots. All the while losing Garza and still only having Rudy at C (assume we draft a backup, they better be NBA ready.)

[babyjax13]

I think this is the best spot for Randle.
Gives OKC more scoring options.
Randle and Hartenstein had great 2-man lineup numbers when both on the Knicks.


Given that Minny fans seem desperate to move Randle, what could OKC get away with giving for Randle?

I'm suggesting the below:

OKC get Randle, Miller

Wolves get Joe, Wiggins, Dieng, 2025 FRP


SGA, Dort, Jalen, Randle, Chet
Cason, Caruso, Ajay, Kenrich, iHart
Topic, Jones, Miller, Jaylin

Conley, Joe, Ant, McD, Gobert
DDV, NAW, Wiggins, Ousmane, Naz
Dilly, TSJ, Minott, Ingles, Garza

So the trade fails because it doesn’t give the Wolves any incentive to make it. The Wolves don’t get position help/roster balance, they don’t get salary relief, they don’t get a big to replace the one going out, and they have to shift multiple rotation players out of position. This trade might make OKC better, but please help me understand why the Wolves would say yes?

Also remember we have a mid first from Detroit and a high second from Utah in addition to two firsts from this year. We are also developing Minott and will need to sign Clark because he is not two way eligible. That is 6 roster spots on development players, plus 7 returning rotation players not including Randle. If we add these 3 we are now in 7+3+6 territory with 15 spots. All the while losing Garza and still only having Rudy at C (assume we draft a backup, they better be NBA ready.)

Maybe it is a later first to give some time horizon for a trade.

[BlazersBroncos]

I hate the idea of what the dribble addicted Randle would do to that OKC offense

[zimpy27]

I think this is the best spot for Randle.
Gives OKC more scoring options.
Randle and Hartenstein had great 2-man lineup numbers when both on the Knicks.


Given that Minny fans seem desperate to move Randle, what could OKC get away with giving for Randle?

I'm suggesting the below:

OKC get Randle, Miller

Wolves get Joe, Wiggins, Dieng, 2025 FRP


SGA, Dort, Jalen, Randle, Chet
Cason, Caruso, Ajay, Kenrich, iHart
Topic, Jones, Miller, Jaylin

Conley, Joe, Ant, McD, Gobert
DDV, NAW, Wiggins, Ousmane, Naz
Dilly, TSJ, Minott, Ingles, Garza

So the trade fails because it doesn’t give the Wolves any incentive to make it. The Wolves don’t get position help/roster balance, they don’t get salary relief, they don’t get a big to replace the one going out, and they have to shift multiple rotation players out of position. This trade might make OKC better, but please help me understand why the Wolves would say yes?

Also remember we have a mid first from Detroit and a high second from Utah in addition to two firsts from this year. We are also developing Minott and will need to sign Clark because he is not two way eligible. That is 6 roster spots on development players, plus 7 returning rotation players not including Randle. If we add these 3 we are now in 7+3+6 territory with 15 spots. All the while losing Garza and still only having Rudy at C (assume we draft a backup, they better be NBA ready.)

Wolves save $7m this season, about $40m in luxury tax.

They also get Wiggins and Joe's locked in for 3 years after. Much more financial flexibility. Ousmane has another year on rookie deal too.

Make it a 2027 FRP instead then?

[shrink]

That’s what we need! Two more SG’s on long contracts! In case we have injuries to Ant, DiVincenzo, Nickiel Alexander-Walker, and 1st round pick Terrence Shannon.

MIN has won five straight, and Randle is finally fitting into a new role in Finch’s offense and seems motivated. They still want to contend. You aren’t seeing “Minny fans desperate to move him” in the last month.

Look, OKC has the assets to pluck just about anyone they want off a team’s roster. But this deal isn’t going to do it.

[winforlose]

That’s what we need! Two more SG’s on long contracts! In case we have injuries to Ant, DiVincenzo, Nickiel Alexander-Walker, and 1st round pick Terrence Shannon.

MIN has won five straight, and Randle is finally fitting into a new role in Finch’s offense and seems motivated. They still want to contend. You aren’t seeing “Minny fans desperate to move him” in the last month.

Look, OKC has the assets to pluck just about anyone they want off a team’s roster. But this deal isn’t going to do it.

You forgot Clark who is also a SG. Meanwhile we lose one of our 3 big rotation, and Miller who in an ideal world takes a step forward and provides some rotation help next year at the 4/5. The “savings” don’t help much with keeping NAW and Naz and aren’t especially great contracts relative to production. If anything this move saves OKC money in advance of 2026.

OKC fans will laugh, but Cason Wallace is the player the Wolves most need off the OKC roster. They will of course say why would we trade Wallace for Randle, and the answer is simple, in 2 or 3 years you won’t be able to afford him. Chet and JW will both demand rookie max at 50% total cap. SGA will need a 35% contract. That is 85% on 3 players. Getting off of Joe and Wiggins is a huge help for OKC. Randle meanwhile is quite productive relative to his money, and as an opt in is 31 million of expiring salary to attach some picks to and get whoever you want. Instead of having to attach multiple long term contracts that teams won’t want. Plus Miller might actually help you going forward. Of course you drop the first. Just make it Wallace instead of Dieng. The Wolves get a starting PG while Dilly develops and who can play with Dilly. This is a move that actually helps both teams. But OKC fans will hate it because it returns more accurate value for Randle and doesn’t screw the Wolves.

P.S, we probably make another move sending NAW out to get a big, keep Joe, and look to move Wiggins during the off season.

[DrModesty]

I wouldn't want Randle anywhere near the roster if I was OKC. He gums up offense something horrible, and is a lazy defender. It is also about as far away from a Presti/Daigneault player as we have seen since the beginning of the rebuild.

[zimpy27]

That’s what we need! Two more SG’s on long contracts! In case we have injuries to Ant, DiVincenzo, Nickiel Alexander-Walker, and 1st round pick Terrence Shannon.

MIN has won five straight, and Randle is finally fitting into a new role in Finch’s offense and seems motivated. They still want to contend. You aren’t seeing “Minny fans desperate to move him” in the last month.

Look, OKC has the assets to pluck just about anyone they want off a team’s roster. But this deal isn’t going to do it.

Well it's hard to keep up with Wolves on this. Completely hot and cold on Randle.

Ant and DDV are your only rotation SGs and they don't even need to just play SG, DDV plays PG and Ant plays SF just fine. Also Wiggins plays SF a bit too. TSJ may not be anything yet. NAW is expiring.

PG: Conley | Dilly
SG: Joe | DDV
SF: Ant | Wiggins
PF: McDaniels | Dieng
C : Gobert | Naz

[winforlose]

That’s what we need! Two more SG’s on long contracts! In case we have injuries to Ant, DiVincenzo, Nickiel Alexander-Walker, and 1st round pick Terrence Shannon.

MIN has won five straight, and Randle is finally fitting into a new role in Finch’s offense and seems motivated. They still want to contend. You aren’t seeing “Minny fans desperate to move him” in the last month.

Look, OKC has the assets to pluck just about anyone they want off a team’s roster. But this deal isn’t going to do it.

Well it's hard to keep up with Wolves on this. Completely hot and cold on Randle.

Let me help, we are fine to trade him, but we are also fine to keep him. The reason to trade is to balance the roster with PG and C help. If we have to pick one that is fine, but 2-4 is not exactly appealing at this point.

[DrModesty]

That’s what we need! Two more SG’s on long contracts! In case we have injuries to Ant, DiVincenzo, Nickiel Alexander-Walker, and 1st round pick Terrence Shannon.

MIN has won five straight, and Randle is finally fitting into a new role in Finch’s offense and seems motivated. They still want to contend. You aren’t seeing “Minny fans desperate to move him” in the last month.

Look, OKC has the assets to pluck just about anyone they want off a team’s roster. But this deal isn’t going to do it.

You forgot Clark who is also a SG. Meanwhile we lose one of our 3 big rotation, and Miller who in an ideal world takes a step forward and provides some rotation help next year at the 4/5. The “savings” don’t help much with keeping NAW and Naz and aren’t especially great contracts relative to production. If anything this move saves OKC money in advance of 2026.

OKC fans will laugh, but Cason Wallace is the player the Wolves most need off the OKC roster. They will of course say why would we trade Wallace for Randle, and the answer is simple, in 2 or 3 years you won’t be able to afford him. Chet and JW will both demand rookie max at 50% total cap. SGA will need a 35% contract. That is 85% on 3 players. Getting off of Joe and Wiggins is a huge help for OKC. Randle meanwhile is quite productive relative to his money, and as an opt in is 31 million of expiring salary to attach some picks to and get whoever you want. Instead of having to attach multiple long term contracts that teams won’t want. Plus Miller might actually help you going forward. Of course you drop the first. Just make it Wallace instead of Dieng. The Wolves get a starting PG while Dilly develops and who can play with Dilly. This is a move that actually helps both teams. But OKC fans will hate it because it returns more accurate value for Randle and doesn’t screw the Wolves.

P.S, we probably make another move sending NAW out to get a big, keep Joe, and look to move Wiggins during the off season.

Ok, a few things here.

Why would there be a rush for OKC to get off Joe and Wiggins when the 3 main guys are on max deals? In 26/27 when their guys are maxed out they will be on 6% and 5% of the cap respectively. They are descending deals. Those contracts are designed so that the players would be affordable to retain after the stars are paid. There is virtually no chance that OKC will be able to get better role players on those size contracts in 26/27.

I also don't think teams wouldn't want those contracts. Specific teams might not if they are at aprons, but it is extremely hard to see those contracts not having positive value at any and all stages of their duration.

Finally, Wallace would command too high a price for the Wolves to justify going after him. To think you could get him in a Randle deal is wishful thinking.

[winforlose]

That’s what we need! Two more SG’s on long contracts! In case we have injuries to Ant, DiVincenzo, Nickiel Alexander-Walker, and 1st round pick Terrence Shannon.

MIN has won five straight, and Randle is finally fitting into a new role in Finch’s offense and seems motivated. They still want to contend. You aren’t seeing “Minny fans desperate to move him” in the last month.

Look, OKC has the assets to pluck just about anyone they want off a team’s roster. But this deal isn’t going to do it.

You forgot Clark who is also a SG. Meanwhile we lose one of our 3 big rotation, and Miller who in an ideal world takes a step forward and provides some rotation help next year at the 4/5. The “savings” don’t help much with keeping NAW and Naz and aren’t especially great contracts relative to production. If anything this move saves OKC money in advance of 2026.

OKC fans will laugh, but Cason Wallace is the player the Wolves most need off the OKC roster. They will of course say why would we trade Wallace for Randle, and the answer is simple, in 2 or 3 years you won’t be able to afford him. Chet and JW will both demand rookie max at 50% total cap. SGA will need a 35% contract. That is 85% on 3 players. Getting off of Joe and Wiggins is a huge help for OKC. Randle meanwhile is quite productive relative to his money, and as an opt in is 31 million of expiring salary to attach some picks to and get whoever you want. Instead of having to attach multiple long term contracts that teams won’t want. Plus Miller might actually help you going forward. Of course you drop the first. Just make it Wallace instead of Dieng. The Wolves get a starting PG while Dilly develops and who can play with Dilly. This is a move that actually helps both teams. But OKC fans will hate it because it returns more accurate value for Randle and doesn’t screw the Wolves.

P.S, we probably make another move sending NAW out to get a big, keep Joe, and look to move Wiggins during the off season.

Ok, a few things here.

Why would there be a rush for OKC to get off Joe and Wiggins when the 3 main guys are on max deals? In 26/27 when their guys are maxed out they will be on 6% and 5% of the cap respectively. They are descending deals. Those contracts are designed so that the players would be affordable to retain after the stars are paid. There is virtually no chance that OKC will be able to get better role players on those size contracts in 26/27.

I also don't think teams wouldn't want those contracts. Specific teams might not if they are at aprons, but it is extremely hard to see those contracts not having positive value at any and all stages of their duration.

Finally, Wallace would command too high a price for the Wolves to justify going after him. To think you could get him in a Randle deal is wishful thinking.

You are not moving Chet, IHart or Caruso. Outside of those 3 who else do you have that fits our need at PG or C? This trade is premised on the idea that OKC wants Randle. You don’t so your not going to want this trade.

The flip side of your argument is that Wallace makes 5.5 million and that is not a ton of money to bring in talent with. If you want an impact player and not to move any of your core he is the guy to go. The question then becomes who do you want for him. Lavine and BI are bad fits and not super useful. Coby White isn’t an upgrade over Wallace. You cannot afford Fox long term. Randle is the best fit with your timeline and roster. Unless I am missing someone (I know you don’t need more picks.)

[DrModesty]

You forgot Clark who is also a SG. Meanwhile we lose one of our 3 big rotation, and Miller who in an ideal world takes a step forward and provides some rotation help next year at the 4/5. The “savings” don’t help much with keeping NAW and Naz and aren’t especially great contracts relative to production. If anything this move saves OKC money in advance of 2026.

OKC fans will laugh, but Cason Wallace is the player the Wolves most need off the OKC roster. They will of course say why would we trade Wallace for Randle, and the answer is simple, in 2 or 3 years you won’t be able to afford him. Chet and JW will both demand rookie max at 50% total cap. SGA will need a 35% contract. That is 85% on 3 players. Getting off of Joe and Wiggins is a huge help for OKC. Randle meanwhile is quite productive relative to his money, and as an opt in is 31 million of expiring salary to attach some picks to and get whoever you want. Instead of having to attach multiple long term contracts that teams won’t want. Plus Miller might actually help you going forward. Of course you drop the first. Just make it Wallace instead of Dieng. The Wolves get a starting PG while Dilly develops and who can play with Dilly. This is a move that actually helps both teams. But OKC fans will hate it because it returns more accurate value for Randle and doesn’t screw the Wolves.

P.S, we probably make another move sending NAW out to get a big, keep Joe, and look to move Wiggins during the off season.

Ok, a few things here.

Why would there be a rush for OKC to get off Joe and Wiggins when the 3 main guys are on max deals? In 26/27 when their guys are maxed out they will be on 6% and 5% of the cap respectively. They are descending deals. Those contracts are designed so that the players would be affordable to retain after the stars are paid. There is virtually no chance that OKC will be able to get better role players on those size contracts in 26/27.

I also don't think teams wouldn't want those contracts. Specific teams might not if they are at aprons, but it is extremely hard to see those contracts not having positive value at any and all stages of their duration.

Finally, Wallace would command too high a price for the Wolves to justify going after him. To think you could get him in a Randle deal is wishful thinking.

You are not moving Chet, IHart or Caruso. Outside of those 3 who else do you have that fits our need at PG or C? This trade is premised on the idea that OKC wants Randle. You don’t so your not going to want this trade.

The flip side of your argument is that Wallace makes 5.5 million and that is not a ton of money to bring in talent with. If you want an impact player and not to move any of your core he is the guy to go. The question then becomes who do you want for him. Lavine and BI are bad fits and not super useful. Coby White isn’t an upgrade over Wallace. You cannot afford Fox long term. Randle is the best fit with your timeline and roster. Unless I am missing someone (I know you don’t need more picks.)

The premise of this trade didn't involve Wallace. Even if there was an assumption that OKC wants Randle which seems farfetched, Wallace would not be involved. I said that Joe and Wiggins are good cheap deals the OKC has no need to rush off of, but they would be used for salary matching before Wallace. I assume the same could be said of Kenrich Williams, and Dieng too. Maybe even Topic.

As far as what OKC needs. They could use a third big upgrade over Jaylin Williams. They could also use a self creating scorer off the bench. They don't need to be high impact. A slight impact is enough. OKC's offense presumably improves substantially when Chet returns.

There are a multitude of players that fit those roles that OKC would target first. OKC has shown a very strong aversion to players who ball stop.

[winforlose]

Ok, a few things here.

Why would there be a rush for OKC to get off Joe and Wiggins when the 3 main guys are on max deals? In 26/27 when their guys are maxed out they will be on 6% and 5% of the cap respectively. They are descending deals. Those contracts are designed so that the players would be affordable to retain after the stars are paid. There is virtually no chance that OKC will be able to get better role players on those size contracts in 26/27.

I also don't think teams wouldn't want those contracts. Specific teams might not if they are at aprons, but it is extremely hard to see those contracts not having positive value at any and all stages of their duration.

Finally, Wallace would command too high a price for the Wolves to justify going after him. To think you could get him in a Randle deal is wishful thinking.

You are not moving Chet, IHart or Caruso. Outside of those 3 who else do you have that fits our need at PG or C? This trade is premised on the idea that OKC wants Randle. You don’t so your not going to want this trade.

The flip side of your argument is that Wallace makes 5.5 million and that is not a ton of money to bring in talent with. If you want an impact player and not to move any of your core he is the guy to go. The question then becomes who do you want for him. Lavine and BI are bad fits and not super useful. Coby White isn’t an upgrade over Wallace. You cannot afford Fox long term. Randle is the best fit with your timeline and roster. Unless I am missing someone (I know you don’t need more picks.)

The premise of this trade didn't involve Wallace. Even if there was an assumption that OKC wants Randle which seems farfetched, Wallace would not be involved. I said that Joe and Wiggins are good cheap deals the OKC has no need to rush off of, but they would be used for salary matching before Wallace. I assume the same could be said of Kenrich Williams, and Dieng too. Maybe even Topic.

As far as what OKC needs. They could use a third big upgrade over Jaylin Williams. They could also use a self creating scorer off the bench. They don't need to be high impact. A slight impact is enough. OKC's offense presumably improves substantially when Chet returns.

There are a multitude of players that fit those roles that OKC would target first. OKC has shown a very strong aversion to players who ball stop.

Fair enough. Is it also fair to assume that player package would need picks to return someone of real impact. Or do you think Joe, Wiggins, Dieng, Williams and Topic have enough value by themselves? My point was that the Wolves don’t need picks they need players at specific positions. In any case I think we agree Randle to OKC is unlikely so the finer points of who and what are irrelevant.

[DrModesty]

You are not moving Chet, IHart or Caruso. Outside of those 3 who else do you have that fits our need at PG or C? This trade is premised on the idea that OKC wants Randle. You don’t so your not going to want this trade.

The flip side of your argument is that Wallace makes 5.5 million and that is not a ton of money to bring in talent with. If you want an impact player and not to move any of your core he is the guy to go. The question then becomes who do you want for him. Lavine and BI are bad fits and not super useful. Coby White isn’t an upgrade over Wallace. You cannot afford Fox long term. Randle is the best fit with your timeline and roster. Unless I am missing someone (I know you don’t need more picks.)

The premise of this trade didn't involve Wallace. Even if there was an assumption that OKC wants Randle which seems farfetched, Wallace would not be involved. I said that Joe and Wiggins are good cheap deals the OKC has no need to rush off of, but they would be used for salary matching before Wallace. I assume the same could be said of Kenrich Williams, and Dieng too. Maybe even Topic.

As far as what OKC needs. They could use a third big upgrade over Jaylin Williams. They could also use a self creating scorer off the bench. They don't need to be high impact. A slight impact is enough. OKC's offense presumably improves substantially when Chet returns.

There are a multitude of players that fit those roles that OKC would target first. OKC has shown a very strong aversion to players who ball stop.

Fair enough. Is it also fair to assume that player package would need picks to return someone of real impact. Or do you think Joe, Wiggins, Dieng, Williams and Topic have enough value by themselves? My point was that the Wolves don’t need picks they need players at specific positions. In any case I think we agree Randle to OKC is unlikely so the finer points of who and what are irrelevant.

I think Joe and Wiggins are each worth a late first and that Topic is worth close to a mid first (15-20 range maybe). Kenrich is probably worth seconds, and Dieng is probably true neutral. So I think with the right combination you could definitely get a guy who is a typical 4th or 5th starter.

I suspect OKC would prefer to bolster value with picks and keep as much actualized talent as possible, which makes trading with a team like the Wolves difficult.

[JeffFosters]

I think it’s a hard no from OkC. Wiggins is one of the most underrated players in the league, and both he and Joe are super important to OkC on court.

Also Randle wouldn’t fit at all with what OkC do on offense; rapid ball and player movement, non-stop cutting and selfless passing are the literal antithesis of how Randle plays.

[Mamba4Goat]

This feels like it needs a 3rd team. OP leaves Minnesota with way too many wings/guards and fair empty at PF.

One of Wiggs/Joe with potentially some combo of the first OKC gives up, the 2025 Detroit 1st, and Jazz2025 2nd probably lands them someone interesting, right?

[GopherIt!]

I think this is the best spot for Randle.
Gives OKC more scoring options.
Randle and Hartenstein had great 2-man lineup numbers when both on the Knicks.


Given that Minny fans seem desperate to move Randle, what could OKC get away with giving for Randle?

I'm suggesting the below:

OKC get Randle, Miller

Wolves get Joe, Wiggins, Dieng, 2025 FRP


SGA, Dort, Jalen, Randle, Chet
Cason, Caruso, Ajay, Kenrich, iHart
Topic, Jones, Miller, Jaylin

Conley, Joe, Ant, McD, Gobert
DDV, NAW, Wiggins, Ousmane, Naz
Dilly, TSJ, Minott, Ingles, Garza

Wiggins and Dieng? Just need a Martín & Young and it’s 2014 again.