Pistons/Celtics

[Mavrelous]

Springer/BOS 1st for TOR 2nd

Celtics drop 8-10 spots in the draft, lower the cap hit of their pick to unload Springer.

[oldncreaky]

Seems fair on value, but a bit off target on direction: DET wants a backup PG, a PFOTF, or draft assets -- Springer is none of those, and the moving up a few spots is meh

For DET, I'd only consider it as a last-minute thing after using up our $14M in cap space. We could take Springer into our room exception after we've used the cap space.

[Texas Chuck]

Detroit absolutely should do that. And if they need the space for something else just use a 2nd to dump Springer somewhere else and you've turned 2 2nds into a first which you should always want to do.

Not every deal has to solve every issue. Sometimes when you can help each other out with deals like this without hurting yourself in any way you just do it.

[DetroitSho]

Seems fair on value, but a bit off target on direction: DET wants a backup PG, a PFOTF, or draft assets -- Springer is none of those, and the moving up a few spots is meh

For DET, I'd only consider it as a last-minute thing after using up our $14M in cap space. We could take Springer into our room exception after we've used the cap space.

The one thing I thought about is this deal would actually allow the Pistons to trade their 2026 pick.

Let's say they make the playoffs and this year's pick finally conveys. In the summer when they're looking to make significant upgrades and add a 2nd star, they can start by adding a pick in 2026 and moving forward in trades instead of the first pick they're able to trade being 2027. That certainly matters.

Speaking of PFOTF (not sure why THAT is a concern of anyone this deadline), imagine going after Lauri with our 2026 and 2028 1sts. This trade indirectly answers that issue.

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[Mavrelous]

Seems fair on value, but a bit off target on direction: DET wants a backup PG, a PFOTF, or draft assets -- Springer is none of those, and the moving up a few spots is meh

For DET, I'd only consider it as a last-minute thing after using up our $14M in cap space. We could take Springer into our room exception after we've used the cap space.

I think he goes into the room exception instead of the cap, so the cap remains.

[Godaddycurse]

Seems fair on value, but a bit off target on direction: DET wants a backup PG, a PFOTF, or draft assets -- Springer is none of those, and the moving up a few spots is meh

For DET, I'd only consider it as a last-minute thing after using up our $14M in cap space. We could take Springer into our room exception after we've used the cap space.

I think he goes into the room exception instead of the cap, so the cap remains.

Nope cap space dont remain

[DetroitSho]

Detroit absolutely should do that. And if they need the space for something else just use a 2nd to dump Springer somewhere else and you've turned 2 2nds into a first which you should always want to do.

Not every deal has to solve every issue. Sometimes when you can help each other out with deals like this without hurting yourself in any way you just do it.

Agree

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[Mavrelous]

Seems fair on value, but a bit off target on direction: DET wants a backup PG, a PFOTF, or draft assets -- Springer is none of those, and the moving up a few spots is meh

For DET, I'd only consider it as a last-minute thing after using up our $14M in cap space. We could take Springer into our room exception after we've used the cap space.

I think he goes into the room exception instead of the cap, so the cap remains.

Nope cap space dont remain

Even if order is reversed? Use the cap then eat him into the exception?

[oldncreaky]

Detroit absolutely should do that. And if they need the space for something else just use a 2nd to dump Springer somewhere else and you've turned 2 2nds into a first which you should always want to do.

Not every deal has to solve every issue. Sometimes when you can help each other out with deals like this without hurting yourself in any way you just do it.

Hadn't thought about that -- good idea

[oldncreaky]

I think he goes into the room exception instead of the cap, so the cap remains.

Nope cap space dont remain

Even if order is reversed? Use the cap then eat him into the exception?

That's basically what I said in my first response:

For DET, I'd only consider it as a last-minute thing after using up our $14M in cap space. We could take Springer into our room exception after we've used the cap space.

Order matters. If we take Springer first, our cap space is reduced by his $4M salary. Maybe we can flip him to someone else as TC suggests, or maybe we have $10M in cap space instead

[oldncreaky]

Detroit absolutely should do that. And if they need the space for something else just use a 2nd to dump Springer somewhere else and you've turned 2 2nds into a first which you should always want to do.

Not every deal has to solve every issue. Sometimes when you can help each other out with deals like this without hurting yourself in any way you just do it.

Hadn't thought about that -- good idea

Thinking about it a little more: Is BOS overpaying to shed $4M in salary?

Giving up a FRP for a SRP, even if it's only moving down 8-10 spots, looks like a higher price than what LAC just paid to shed salary

Plus, there are 11 teams right now that could take Springer's $4M and stay under the tax line. A number of them have an open roster spot too.

I could see a $4M salary dump costing just cash and a fake SRP

[Ell Curry]

I haven't seen much of him, but he's supposed to be good on D and can hit a 3, so someone might just take him for free, depending on who has under the tax space at 2:59PM on deadline day. If the Spurs do move Castle, Tre Jones (and Kelden or Collins) for Fox, they could use a guy like that for 15 minutes a night, I think?

[Mavrelous]

Detroit absolutely should do that. And if they need the space for something else just use a 2nd to dump Springer somewhere else and you've turned 2 2nds into a first which you should always want to do.

Not every deal has to solve every issue. Sometimes when you can help each other out with deals like this without hurting yourself in any way you just do it.

Hadn't thought about that -- good idea

Thinking about it a little more: Is BOS overpaying to shed $4M in salary?

Giving up a FRP for a SRP, even if it's only moving down 8-10 spots, looks like a higher price than what LAC just paid to shed salary

Plus, there are 11 teams right now that could take Springer's $4M and stay under the tax line. A number of them have an open roster spot too.

I could see a $4M salary dump costing just cash and a fake SRP

Dumping contract costs money, for Boston difference in salary + tax between pick 28 and pick 35 is few millions.

[oldncreaky]

Hadn't thought about that -- good idea

Thinking about it a little more: Is BOS overpaying to shed $4M in salary?

Giving up a FRP for a SRP, even if it's only moving down 8-10 spots, looks like a higher price than what LAC just paid to shed salary

Plus, there are 11 teams right now that could take Springer's $4M and stay under the tax line. A number of them have an open roster spot too.

I could see a $4M salary dump costing just cash and a fake SRP

Dumping contract costs money, for Boston difference in salary + tax between pick 28 and pick 35 is few millions.

Yeah, I know. The question is always, how much does it cost for a particular contract?

With Springer, any of LAC, CHI or CHO could take Springer plus $6M in cash for a fake SRP. BOS saves a ton, the other team nets a few million.

Per the link, there are 11 teams with room for Springer. There is a large supply of teams who can take a salary dump, but maybe only 2-3 teams that want to dump a small salary like Springer. High supply + low demand ==> low price

OTOH, there are only a few teams that can take back significant amounts of salary, something over the NTMLE, and DET might be the only one that can take back significant contracts money without sending back some bad money. (For example, I don't see another team that could absorb CJ as easily as DET). Low supply + high demand ==> high price

("high demand" is an assumption; we'll find out on Thursday)

[redslastlaugh]

From Boston perspective, Jaden Springer actually provides some depth as a point of attack defender. Yea, if you trade him and take nothing back and fill the roster spot with a buyout minimum you can save like $10 million on the luxtax, but Bos only has White, Jrue, Payton Pritchard as guards on the roster. I’m just not sure they want to lose the depth.

The complicating factor is that the team is presently accepting bids for sale. If the new owners bids are contingent on luxtax factors, then moving an expensive guard (White or Jrue) seems a likelier possibility.

Which is to say if luxury tax is an issue they’ll actually address that issue. If luxtax is not an issue they’ll not move off Jaden Springer for the purpose of tax savings.

Detroit absolutely should do that. And if they need the space for something else just use a 2nd to dump Springer somewhere else and you've turned 2 2nds into a first which you should always want to do.

Not every deal has to solve every issue. Sometimes when you can help each other out with deals like this without hurting yourself in any way you just do it.

[chrbal]

To the actual trade, Detroit absolutely does this. Best case scenario is you move up into the first round and use this Springer trade as part of a bigger deal by using his money and the cap space. Worst case scenario is you still move up in the draft and you add Springer to the roster. The team uses his career so far with some very good teams to call him a development player with experience on successful teams.

Thinking about it a little more: Is BOS overpaying to shed $4M in salary?

Giving up a FRP for a SRP, even if it's only moving down 8-10 spots, looks like a higher price than what LAC just paid to shed salary

Plus, there are 11 teams right now that could take Springer's $4M and stay under the tax line. A number of them have an open roster spot too.

I could see a $4M salary dump costing just cash and a fake SRP

How much in tax does Springer cost Boston?