John Collins to Spurs for Keldon Johnson & Pick(s)

[BrianInPhilly]

Now that Spurs got Fox, they gotta' shore up the rest of the lineup. In my opinion, Collins is the perfect fit next to Wemby at the 4'. He spaces the floor and can rebound, which they need since Wemby is a shot-blocker. Keldon Johnson, end of bench filler, & 2 1st rounders work. I'm so high on the fit I'd even put the ATL pick in the deal instead of 2 late 1sts.

Starting 5 of Fox-Castle-Vassell-Collins-Wemby with Paul, Champagnie, Barnes, & Sochan off bench is a great team and once Castle/Wemby develop more I don't see any clear flaws in this team. What am I missing? Who exactly is a better fit next to Wemby at the 4'? There aren't many 3-point shooters with PF size who can rebound that are out there.

[babyjax13]

2 1sts is too much. 1 1st, probably their worst, and filler with Johnson. I'm not really interested in Keldon but that doesn't matter if we get a pick out of the deal.

[wemby]

Crazy, crazy overpay. Spurs landed Fox for basically this much (worse players and slightly more picks) and you want them to pay that for John Collins? Spurs FO aren't idiots, some people never learn.

[BrianInPhilly]

Crazy, crazy overpay. Spurs landed Fox for basically this much (worse players and slightly more picks) and you want them to pay that for John Collins? Spurs FO aren't idiots, some people never learn.

Soooo who is a better 4 man next to Wemby then? Better yet if you can't think of anyone just describe their ideal skillset.

Again I said in my post WHAT AM I MISSING, and you said literally nothing. Collins can shoot the 3', he's an elite rebounder which is huge because Fox-Castle-Vassell are not & Wemby needs to be free to shot block. Collins is a great teammate, won't demand shots. His rolling ability is near elite also and should thrive with Wemby's spacing also.

And you're saying 2 1sts is too much?

So who is this mythical player Spurs can acquire to play the 4' that is better than Collins?

[wemby]

Crazy, crazy overpay. Spurs landed Fox for basically this much (worse players and slightly more picks) and you want them to pay that for John Collins? Spurs FO aren't idiots, some people never learn.

Soooo who is a better 4 man next to Wemby then? Better yet if you can't think of anyone just describe their ideal skillset.

Again I said in my post WHAT AM I MISSING, and you said literally nothing. Collins can shoot the 3', he's an elite rebounder which is huge because Fox-Castle-Vassell are not & Wemby needs to be free to shot block. Collins is a great teammate, won't demand shots. His rolling ability is near elite also and should thrive with Wemby's spacing also.

And you're saying 2 1sts is too much?

So who is this mythical player Spurs can acquire to play the 4' that is better than Collins?

Collins was viewed as a negative contract and basically untradeable FOR YEARS until the Hawks accepted to dump him. He's having a nice season now, but all of a sudden he turned into a premier role player in the league? That's crazy. I'm not even sure he's better than Harrison Barnes. The easy answer is:
1) Spurs don't need to do anything right now, their perfectly fine with Barnes and Sochan at the 4
2) If they do anything, it'll be for a better player than John Collins

[eminence]

Uhh, huge overpay. This Jazz fan would be fine with a straight swap.

[BrianInPhilly]

Crazy, crazy overpay. Spurs landed Fox for basically this much (worse players and slightly more picks) and you want them to pay that for John Collins? Spurs FO aren't idiots, some people never learn.

Soooo who is a better 4 man next to Wemby then? Better yet if you can't think of anyone just describe their ideal skillset.

Again I said in my post WHAT AM I MISSING, and you said literally nothing. Collins can shoot the 3', he's an elite rebounder which is huge because Fox-Castle-Vassell are not & Wemby needs to be free to shot block. Collins is a great teammate, won't demand shots. His rolling ability is near elite also and should thrive with Wemby's spacing also.

And you're saying 2 1sts is too much?

So who is this mythical player Spurs can acquire to play the 4' that is better than Collins?

Collins was viewed as a negative contract and basically untradeable FOR YEARS until the Hawks accepted to dump him. He's having a nice season now, but all of a sudden he turned into a premier role player in the league? That's crazy. I'm not even sure he's better than Harrison Barnes. The easy answer is:
1) Spurs don't need to do anything right now, their perfectly fine with Barnes and Sochan at the 4
2) If they do anything, it'll be for a better player than John Collins

Got it so your answer is basically "public perception" which is not an answer and to get a "better player than John Collins" ... Yet you haven't said who this mythical player is or what his skillset even is that Collins lacks

I don't care about "public perception" because I think for myself. You should try it sometime.

And I disagree that Sochans or Barnes at the 4' is "perfectly fine". It will be "fine" actually you're right but has clear disadvantages Spurs would be wise to take care of right now instead of waiting for no reason. Sochan doesn't space the floor which negates Fox's penetration, and Barnes can't rebound. Going super small and asking Wemby to be the sole shot blocker and rebounder in the starting unit is not maximizing the roster.

Still waiting to hear what skillset you prefer from a 4' man, or better yet instead of saying other people's viewpoint on John Collins, state yours. What skills does he lack? Why is he not a good fit?

[Chinook]

Hopefully the Spurs are done with major trades for the year. I certainly hope they aren't trying to throw firsts at role-players when I still don't have them as likely to make the playoffs.

[bkohler]

I think Collins would be excellent on that team, but I think he’s probably worth a single protected first.

[TimDunkin]

I'd very much prefer the Spurs grab a big in the draft.

[One_and_Done]

Crazy, crazy overpay. Spurs landed Fox for basically this much (worse players and slightly more picks) and you want them to pay that for John Collins? Spurs FO aren't idiots, some people never learn.

Did ppl learn nothing from the Fox trade? Spurs aren't doing this.

[SkyHook]

Look, I'm a Collins fan and I'd prefer that the Jazz keep him, but this is clearly not in the realm of possibility. He'd be a great fit in that lineup, but the Spurs wouldn't pay anywhere near this.

[pad300]

Crazy, crazy overpay. Spurs landed Fox for basically this much (worse players and slightly more picks) and you want them to pay that for John Collins? Spurs FO aren't idiots, some people never learn.

Soooo who is a better 4 man next to Wemby then? Better yet if you can't think of anyone just describe their ideal skillset.

Again I said in my post WHAT AM I MISSING, and you said literally nothing. Collins can shoot the 3', he's an elite rebounder which is huge because Fox-Castle-Vassell are not & Wemby needs to be free to shot block. Collins is a great teammate, won't demand shots. His rolling ability is near elite also and should thrive with Wemby's spacing also.

And you're saying 2 1sts is too much?

So who is this mythical player Spurs can acquire to play the 4' that is better than Collins?

Santi Aldama is an RFA this summer, and I'm not sure that MEM has the financial willingness to keep him. (ie. yes, they have his bird rights, but I'm less than confident that they want to pay him more than the MLE...)

I'll admit that Collins would be another good option, but I'm pretty sure that SAS isn't willing to pay 2 FRP's for him...

[Daddy 801]

I’m a Jazz fan and say yes all day to your original trade. But for two firsts you can get Sexton and Collins. Or maybe even a really good first and a swap rights. The type of pick matters. Jazz want unprotected not some BS pick that’s protected that conveys to seconds.

Of course any GM will accept an overpay, but realistically you can get Collins for less than two picks and/or Collins and Sexton for two picks.

Agree that you should go “all in” and Collins is a wonderful fit though. And he’s a stud of a human and been a real pro in a locker room on a team tanking. He would be happy to be on the Spurs and help that team on and off court. And I would love to see him (and Sexton) traded to a team like the Spurs.

[wemby]

Got it so your answer is basically "public perception" which is not an answer and to get a "better player than John Collins" ... Yet you haven't said who this mythical player is or what his skillset even is that Collins lacks

I don't care about "public perception" because I think for myself. You should try it sometime.

And I disagree that Sochans or Barnes at the 4' is "perfectly fine". It will be "fine" actually you're right but has clear disadvantages Spurs would be wise to take care of right now instead of waiting for no reason. Sochan doesn't space the floor which negates Fox's penetration, and Barnes can't rebound. Going super small and asking Wemby to be the sole shot blocker and rebounder in the starting unit is not maximizing the roster.

Still waiting to hear what skillset you prefer from a 4' man, or better yet instead of saying other people's viewpoint on John Collins, state yours. What skills does he lack? Why is he not a good fit?

Wow, if that's what you got then you really have to work on your reading comprehension skills. My point is one swallow does not a summer make, I'm not so easily fooled like you by an outlier season on a tanking team, you can see all kinds of crazy proposals on these boards and they always age the same way: like milk. Go take a look at the Fox thread, at the Schroeder trade and many others, people have delusional expectations of value and they think real life GMs are just like them, and especially smart front offices (like the Spurs have) do not not abide by your daydreams. You clearly have a very poor grasp on the Spurs if you think John Collins will be a huge improvement over Barnes/Sochan, that is not the case. Barnes is a better shooter and passer and always plays smart, and Sochan is a much better defender that can take on the other team's best player whether that's Brunson, SGA, Luka or Tatum. Collins can't do that by any stretch of the imagination. Are there players who could improve on them? Sure. But Collins isn't one of them.

[Devilanche]

Crazy, crazy overpay. Spurs landed Fox for basically this much (worse players and slightly more picks) and you want them to pay that for John Collins? Spurs FO aren't idiots, some people never learn.

Soooo who is a better 4 man next to Wemby then? Better yet if you can't think of anyone just describe their ideal skillset.

Again I said in my post WHAT AM I MISSING, and you said literally nothing. Collins can shoot the 3', he's an elite rebounder which is huge because Fox-Castle-Vassell are not & Wemby needs to be free to shot block. Collins is a great teammate, won't demand shots. His rolling ability is near elite also and should thrive with Wemby's spacing also.

And you're saying 2 1sts is too much?

So who is this mythical player Spurs can acquire to play the 4' that is better than Collins?

Santi Aldama is an RFA this summer, and I'm not sure that MEM has the financial willingness to keep him. (ie. yes, they have his bird rights, but I'm less than confident that they want to pay him more than the MLE...)

I'll admit that Collins would be another good option, but I'm pretty sure that SAS isn't willing to pay 2 FRP's for him...

Yea , Aldama is a good target . Collins is a good one but not 2 FRP good.

[wemby]

Yea , Aldama is a good target . Collins is a good one but not 2 FRP good.

I like Aldama, he'd be a nice target. Another very interesting targets for the Spurs would be Nickeil Alexander Walker and Naz Reid. And if he doesn't find his footing, I'd take a shot at the Pacer's Jarace Walker.

[Devilanche]

Yea , Aldama is a good target . Collins is a good one but not 2 FRP good.

I like Aldama, he'd be a nice target. Another very interesting targets for the Spurs would be Nickeil Alexander Walker and Naz Reid. And if he doesn't find his footing, I'd take a shot at the Pacer's Jarace Walker.

Jarace is probably out of reach now. He seems to have figure out his spot in the pacers rotation .

Probably Naz Reid will be extended by Minnesota not sure abt NAW.

But point remains. Spurs should still trade selectively. There’s still draft and free agency to come… before next season trade . Not desperate yet to pay premium prices when your roster is not yet missing its final 1-2 pieces.

[Astaluego]

good business partners, but wrong goal and time (in my opinion)...Spurs are still far from even the play..don't rush, this summer they get 2 lottery picks, send the best + along with Keldon/Barnes and chase Markkanen...

[tcheco]

Honestly, give the bulls Branham and 2 second rounders for Jalen Smith and that is 10x better than the value here. there's better use for the money Collins is being paid and 2 first rounders