BKN - DAL - Cam Thomas

[aguiar95]

BKN in: Grimes, Hardy, '29 LAL 1st (via DAL)
BKN out: Thomas, Lewis

Why? Sell a piece they won't re-sign for a pick and two young players they can develop.

DAL in: Thomas, Lewis
DAL out: Grimes, Hardy, '29 LAL 1st (via DAL)

Why? Get a big offensive guy to help Kyrie as a super 6th man without losing much depth.

Irving/Dinwiddie
Thompson/Thomas
Washington/Christie
Davis/Marshall
Gafford/Lively

[OutsidetheNBA]

Hardy and Cam Thomas fill the same role and I'm not convinced Cam Thomas is any better -- I think Cam just has a complete green light for a terrible team, while the Mavs are actually trying to win games.

If I'm the Mavs I wouldn't add Grimes or a 1st to turn Hardy into Cam Thomas, let alone both.

[LightTheBeam]

Hardy and Cam Thomas fill the same role and I'm not convinced Cam Thomas is any better -- I think Cam just has a complete green light for a terrible team, while the Mavs are actually trying to win games.

If I'm the Mavs I wouldn't add Grimes or a 1st to turn Hardy into Cam Thomas, let alone both.

I think this is a bit of a stretch. Averaging 24ppg in the NBA isn't easy. Plenty of guys like Hardy who flash offensive potential and play on bad teams never get there.

Cam is a good offensive player. Certainly more valuable than Hardy. I don't know if he is the right target for Dallas but the OP price seems appropriate and he's cheap enough that they add another good scorer without giving up PJ. And fair to say he wouldn't average 24 in Dallas, but 15-18 is do-able.

[jayjaysee]

I would say if the Venetian signs off on what Cam probably gets this offseason (?????) then Dallas should find out his trade value?

Find it really tough to believe Cam Thomas is worth an unprotected first 4 years out though. And find it tough to believe the new owners sign up on paying him.

But if they do, Dallas should offer maybe the 2025 first with top 4 (only matters if Dallas wins the lottery)… Or the 2030 first? Give it top 10 protection then top 8 or so in 2031?

But not an unprotected first years out for Cam Thomas imo.

[Texas Chuck]

Thomas is definitely better than Hardy. But he's not worth an unprotected 1st heading into free agency. And I don't believe Vegas will pay him so Dallas shouldn't trade for a guy they won't keep.

[DKB333]

BKN in: Grimes, Hardy, '29 LAL 1st (via DAL)
BKN out: Thomas, Lewis

Why? Sell a piece they won't re-sign for a pick and two young players they can develop.

DAL in: Thomas, Lewis
DAL out: Grimes, Hardy, '29 LAL 1st (via DAL)

Why? Get a big offensive guy to help Kyrie as a super 6th man without losing much depth.

Irving/Dinwiddie
Thompson/Thomas
Washington/Christie
Davis/Marshall
Gafford/Lively

Bad trade for the Mavs. Really bad trade. lol

[OutsidetheNBA]

Hardy and Cam Thomas fill the same role and I'm not convinced Cam Thomas is any better -- I think Cam just has a complete green light for a terrible team, while the Mavs are actually trying to win games.

If I'm the Mavs I wouldn't add Grimes or a 1st to turn Hardy into Cam Thomas, let alone both.

I think this is a bit of a stretch. Averaging 24ppg in the NBA isn't easy. Plenty of guys like Hardy who flash offensive potential and play on bad teams never get there.

Cam is a good offensive player. Certainly more valuable than Hardy. I don't know if he is the right target for Dallas but the OP price seems appropriate and he's cheap enough that they add another good scorer without giving up PJ. And fair to say he wouldn't average 24 in Dallas, but 15-18 is do-able.

Cam Thomas is a better scorer than Hardy, but he's also a ball stopper who pouts if he doesn't get his shots up.

Hardy fills a 15mpg microwave bench role just fine with better shooting percentages than Cam Thomas. He's improved every year, moves the ball within the offense, and tries on defense.

I don't think either Thomas or Hardy fit well next to Kyrie/Dinwiddie, so I don't think either of them are going to see significant minutes. If you feel like Thomas won't pout and will commit to winning, sure, trade Hardy + a small asset for him. But Grimes is a winning player already and the 1st is valuable. Not giving up either for Cam Thomas.

[DarkXaero]

Nets fan here, I definitely do this.

[DarkXaero]

Hardy and Cam Thomas fill the same role and I'm not convinced Cam Thomas is any better -- I think Cam just has a complete green light for a terrible team, while the Mavs are actually trying to win games.

If I'm the Mavs I wouldn't add Grimes or a 1st to turn Hardy into Cam Thomas, let alone both.

I think this is a bit of a stretch. Averaging 24ppg in the NBA isn't easy. Plenty of guys like Hardy who flash offensive potential and play on bad teams never get there.

Cam is a good offensive player. Certainly more valuable than Hardy. I don't know if he is the right target for Dallas but the OP price seems appropriate and he's cheap enough that they add another good scorer without giving up PJ. And fair to say he wouldn't average 24 in Dallas, but 15-18 is do-able.

Cam Thomas is a better scorer than Hardy, but he's also a ball stopper who pouts if he doesn't get his shots up.

Hardy fills a 15mpg microwave bench role just fine with better shooting percentages than Cam Thomas. He's improved every year, moves the ball within the offense, and tries on defense.

I don't think either Thomas or Hardy fit well next to Kyrie/Dinwiddie, so I don't think either of them are going to see significant minutes. If you feel like Thomas won't pout and will commit to winning, sure, trade Hardy + a small asset for him. But Grimes is a winning player already and the 1st is valuable. Not giving up either for Cam Thomas.

This isn't remotely true, at all. If you're gonna make claims to pass off as facts, at least check yourself first.

[OutsidetheNBA]

I think this is a bit of a stretch. Averaging 24ppg in the NBA isn't easy. Plenty of guys like Hardy who flash offensive potential and play on bad teams never get there.

Cam is a good offensive player. Certainly more valuable than Hardy. I don't know if he is the right target for Dallas but the OP price seems appropriate and he's cheap enough that they add another good scorer without giving up PJ. And fair to say he wouldn't average 24 in Dallas, but 15-18 is do-able.

Cam Thomas is a better scorer than Hardy, but he's also a ball stopper who pouts if he doesn't get his shots up.

Hardy fills a 15mpg microwave bench role just fine with better shooting percentages than Cam Thomas. He's improved every year, moves the ball within the offense, and tries on defense.

I don't think either Thomas or Hardy fit well next to Kyrie/Dinwiddie, so I don't think either of them are going to see significant minutes. If you feel like Thomas won't pout and will commit to winning, sure, trade Hardy + a small asset for him. But Grimes is a winning player already and the 1st is valuable. Not giving up either for Cam Thomas.

This isn't remotely true, at all. If you're gonna make claims to pass off as facts, at least check yourself first.

Better 3p% than Thomas. I misread that 2p% numbers.

[mademan]

I dont like the value here for Dallas nor the target. They dont need a scorer beside Kyrie, they need a playmaker. Harder to find, but this is a waste of an asset, imo. Cam only has a 20ish game stretch of being an efficient scorer, and scoring is really all he does.

[mcfly1204]

If Dallas wants a 6th man, they can call Cleveland about LeVert. He's a better, more versatile player than Thomas, and likely comes at a lower cost.

[nykballa2k4]

BKN in: Grimes, Hardy, '29 LAL 1st (via DAL)
BKN out: Thomas, Lewis

Why? Sell a piece they won't re-sign for a pick and two young players they can develop.

DAL in: Thomas, Lewis
DAL out: Grimes, Hardy, '29 LAL 1st (via DAL)

Why? Get a big offensive guy to help Kyrie as a super 6th man without losing much depth.

Irving/Dinwiddie
Thompson/Thomas
Washington/Christie
Davis/Marshall
Gafford/Lively

Remove the FRP and I think you got a good idea there. Extra points if you can squeeze Sharpe out of the Nets too.

[vincecarter4pres]

If Dallas wants a 6th man, they can call Cleveland about LeVert. He's a better, more versatile player than Thomas, and likely comes at a lower cost.

LeVert is neither a better, nor more versatile player than Cam Thomas.

[vincecarter4pres]

BKN in: Grimes, Hardy, '29 LAL 1st (via DAL)
BKN out: Thomas, Lewis

Why? Sell a piece they won't re-sign for a pick and two young players they can develop.

DAL in: Thomas, Lewis
DAL out: Grimes, Hardy, '29 LAL 1st (via DAL)

Why? Get a big offensive guy to help Kyrie as a super 6th man without losing much depth.

Irving/Dinwiddie
Thompson/Thomas
Washington/Christie
Davis/Marshall
Gafford/Lively

Remove the FRP and I think you got a good idea there. Extra points if you can squeeze Sharpe out of the Nets too.

Why does BK do this without the pick?

[mcfly1204]

If Dallas wants a 6th man, they can call Cleveland about LeVert. He's a better, more versatile player than Thomas, and likely comes at a lower cost.

LeVert is neither a better, nor more versatile player than Cam Thomas.

lol, Thomas can literally only do one thing.

[nykballa2k4]

BKN in: Grimes, Hardy, '29 LAL 1st (via DAL)
BKN out: Thomas, Lewis

Why? Sell a piece they won't re-sign for a pick and two young players they can develop.

DAL in: Thomas, Lewis
DAL out: Grimes, Hardy, '29 LAL 1st (via DAL)

Why? Get a big offensive guy to help Kyrie as a super 6th man without losing much depth.

Irving/Dinwiddie
Thompson/Thomas
Washington/Christie
Davis/Marshall
Gafford/Lively

Remove the FRP and I think you got a good idea there. Extra points if you can squeeze Sharpe out of the Nets too.

Why does BK do this without the pick?

If I were you, I would 100% take Grimes for Cam.
Hardy is icing.
You would quietly be building an actual team and might screw up your tanking desires.
Grimes and Ziarre williams are both good defensive wings who can shoot. Cam Johnson and DLo provide main offensive punch, Sharpe/Clax rim run and grab boards/protect the paint.
Even Ben Simmons has been functional!

[JKiddy]

Nets are not selling Cam Thomas now (as far as has been out there). Plus, the 2029 LAL 1st isn't that valuable anymore and would not be enough.

[vincecarter4pres]

If Dallas wants a 6th man, they can call Cleveland about LeVert. He's a better, more versatile player than Thomas, and likely comes at a lower cost.

LeVert is neither a better, nor more versatile player than Cam Thomas.

lol, Thomas can literally only do one thing.

You definitely haven’t watched the Nets much at all the last 40 games of last season into this year.

His all around game has steadily improved. I was exceptionally critical of him his first couple years, but he has come a long way.

What exactly does LeVert do so well besides forcing bad shots and scoring inefficiently? I’m not really buying this small sample size year 9 age 30 renaissance outlier season on extremely low volume for him either.

I say all this as a LeVert fan, still have 2 of his BK jerseys, but just the facts, ma’am.

[BrianInPhilly]

I'm confused by all the lineup predictions for Dallas honestly ... To me it's pretty obvious the best starting lineup is Irving-Christie-Thompson-Davis-Lively/Gafford ... PJ Washington is not a SF especially if Thompson is a SG; there's no quickness in that lineup besides Kyrie. Max Christie is super underrated, which is surprising considering he was playing on the Lakers. He's the best option next to Kyrie; allows him to guard other teams' best guard as opposed to Kyrie doing so (or corpse of Thompson).

Not a terrible trade proposal imo actually. They prob do need another shot creator off the bench or perhaps Hardy will make that leap, not sure. Regardless Davis has to do more playmaking as a 4' now.