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SHAMS: Martin to Dallas

Posted: Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:10 pm
by LightTheBeam
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Shams: Caleb Martin to DAL for Grimes & PHI 2025 2nd

Posted: Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:10 pm
by Consequence
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I don't think this commits Philly to a sell-off, this was just good value for them.

Re: SHAMS Martin to Dallas

Posted: Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:11 pm
by MoneyTalks41890
Back in the tax. Philly digs out a little bit.

Re: SHAMS Martin to Dallas

Posted: Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:11 pm
by MasterIchiro
Good trade for both sides.

Re: SHAMS Martin to Dallas

Posted: Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:11 pm
by LightTheBeam
Damn, I really like this for Dallas. Martin was a guy I had my eye on for the Kings. Locked in cheap, 3&D.

Re: SHAMS: Martin to Dallas

Posted: Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:13 pm
by LightTheBeam
Thinking here, maybe I'm way off base. Could this signal a PJ trade? Dallas back in the tax, and now in the front court they have AD, Lively, Gafford, Naji, Martin, PJ, and Klay.

Re: SHAMS: Martin to Dallas

Posted: Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:13 pm
by ReggiesKnicks
Consequence wrote:I don't think this commits Philly to a sell-off, this was just good value for them.



This is the definition of a sell-off move.

Whether it commits them to a full sell-off depends on the buyers willing to pay the price Philly wants in order to sell.

Does Caleb Martin sit on Dallas' bench since Dallas/Philadelphia play tonight?

Re: SHAMS: Martin to Dallas

Posted: Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:14 pm
by HornetJail
great job by Philly to upgrade, get a 2nd, and save money at the same time lol

Re: SHAMS Martin to Dallas

Posted: Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:15 pm
by Domejandro
Seems a bit bizarre for Dallas, but Caleb Martin is on a reasonable contract for the next three seasons.

I really like this trade for Philadelphia. Cut a little bit of salary (now under the First Apron) and get a younger player.

Re: SHAMS: Martin to Dallas

Posted: Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:16 pm
by Consequence
ReggiesKnicks wrote:
Consequence wrote:I don't think this commits Philly to a sell-off, this was just good value for them.



This is the definition of a sell-off move.

Whether it commits them to a full sell-off depends on the buyers willing to pay the price Philly wants in order to sell.

Does Caleb Martin sit on Dallas' bench since Dallas/Philadelphia play tonight?

I just don't think Grimes is significantly worse than Martin for winning this season, so I don't feel like it indicates that the Sixers are going to prioritize future assets.

Re: SHAMS: Martin to Dallas

Posted: Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:17 pm
by Texas Chuck
I guess the swap is fine and you pay the 2nd because of the future cost control? But handy for these guys since they play tonight.

Re: SHAMS: Martin to Dallas

Posted: Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:18 pm
by kobe_vs_jordan
Not sure I love it for Dallas . Felt like Grimes was taking steps forward and had some more room to grow. But consistent with Dallas going all in on a short term window

Re: SHAMS: Martin to Dallas

Posted: Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:19 pm
by kobe_vs_jordan
Probably nitpicking but felt like Philly should sent the second? Might be in minority there.

Re: SHAMS: Martin to Dallas

Posted: Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:22 pm
by BBallFreak
Dallas fans are going to both love and hate Martin. He'll show out, giving you some big scoring nights and other nights he'll disappear offensively. He's an athletic freak and he's going to give you a ton of energy.

Re: SHAMS: Martin to Dallas

Posted: Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:23 pm
by gswhoops
I guess the theory here for Dallas is that Martin and Grimes are comparable players and Martin is cost controlled while Grimes needs a new deal?

Re: SHAMS: Martin to Dallas

Posted: Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:26 pm
by Mavrelous
He's tough and dirty, Mavs are too nice, except Naji and PJ, and needed that, he's a worse shooter than Grimes, but I think he's equal or better at all other aspects.
Good move...

Re: SHAMS: Martin to Dallas

Posted: Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:28 pm
by OutsidetheNBA
Consequence wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:
Consequence wrote:I don't think this commits Philly to a sell-off, this was just good value for them.



This is the definition of a sell-off move.

Whether it commits them to a full sell-off depends on the buyers willing to pay the price Philly wants in order to sell.

Does Caleb Martin sit on Dallas' bench since Dallas/Philadelphia play tonight?

I just don't think Grimes is significantly worse than Martin for winning this season, so I don't feel like it indicates that the Sixers are going to prioritize future assets.


Agree that in a vacuum Grimes and Martin are pretty similar values, but who plays the 4 for the Sixers now? Yabu, who they need at Center when Embiid is out? KJ Martin? Seems like they lost some front court depth.

Re: SHAMS: Martin to Dallas

Posted: Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:30 pm
by OutsidetheNBA
gswhoops wrote:I guess the theory here for Dallas is that Martin and Grimes are comparable players and Martin is cost controlled while Grimes needs a new deal?


What's the theory for the 76ers though? 1 year of cost savings and a 2nd? Unless they get off of more money by the offseason, where do they get a 4 next season if they can't use the MLE? KJ Martin + picks I guess.

Re: SHAMS: Martin to Dallas

Posted: Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:34 pm
by kobe_vs_jordan
gswhoops wrote:I guess the theory here for Dallas is that Martin and Grimes are comparable players and Martin is cost controlled while Grimes needs a new deal?

Make sense. Think Mavs might have got wind of grimes being more than MLE money.

Re: SHAMS: Martin to Dallas

Posted: Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:35 pm
by gswhoops
OutsidetheNBA wrote:
gswhoops wrote:I guess the theory here for Dallas is that Martin and Grimes are comparable players and Martin is cost controlled while Grimes needs a new deal?


What's the theory for the 76ers though? 1 year of cost savings and a 2nd? Unless they get off of more money by the offseason, where do they get a 4 next season if they can't use the MLE? KJ Martin + picks I guess.

More long-term upside plus trying to clear the tax this year?