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Along with 2 2nds. 27 MIL and 31 DAL

Fischer adding Giannis supports this....

Texas Chuck wrote:Fischer adding Giannis supports this....

Giannis scared of KJ Martin. Needs him OFF the sixers.

Process doesn't get much worse than signing a guy to a balloon deal to facilitate a future trade, having him be a pleasant on court surprise as a role player, and then paying to dump it. Woof.

OutsidetheNBA wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Fischer adding Giannis supports this....

Giannis scared of KJ Martin. Needs him OFF the sixers.

lol wrong thread.

Yeah I mean this is a fine move. The mistake was giving him the deal in the first place, but that's a sunk cost.

Assume that Detroit holds off on this until they arrange a trade that utilizes their cap space, first, as Martin otherwise fits into their room exception.

Detroit beat writer mentions KJ could be rerouted, with Detroit having balls in the air right now. I have to assume KJ rerouted or Tek would be being moved in another deal.

Not terribly excited by this one. Hope we do more.

Jojothewhale wrote:Process doesn't get much worse than signing a guy to a balloon deal to facilitate a future trade, having him be a pleasant on court surprise as a role player, and then paying to dump it. Woof.

2 seconds to have the option to add a 10m player isn’t a bad cost to pay to have that flexibility when the team *could* have been in the upper echelon.

Scoot McGroot wrote:Assume that Detroit holds off on this until they arrange a trade that utilizes their cap space, first, as Martin otherwise fits into their room exception.

Yeah it seems like a waste of cap space and the type of deal that absolutely would be on the table tomorrow if we really wanted to do it, so I'm assuming the intention is for this to NOT go into our cap space and that it won't be finalized until tomorrow. Which essentially makes it an overpriced purchase of second rounders.

Giving TL the benefit of the doubt and assuming he's no fool.

I'm not wild about the fact that Martin isn't expiring.

Snakebites wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:Assume that Detroit holds off on this until they arrange a trade that utilizes their cap space, first, as Martin otherwise fits into their room exception.

Yeah it seems like a waste of cap space and the type of deal that absolutely would be on the table tomorrow if we really wanted to do it, so I'm assuming the intention is for this to NOT go into our cap space and that it won't be finalized until tomorrow. Which essentially makes it an overpriced purchase of second rounders.

Giving TL the benefit of the doubt and assuming he's no fool.

I'm not wild about the fact that Martin isn't expiring.

The other option is that Detroit could take Martin into cap room and be able to immediately aggregate him in trade. So, they could combine him and Hardaway to bring back ~$30m in salary at the deadline.

Snakebites wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:Assume that Detroit holds off on this until they arrange a trade that utilizes their cap space, first, as Martin otherwise fits into their room exception.

Yeah it seems like a waste of cap space and the type of deal that absolutely would be on the table tomorrow if we really wanted to do it, so I'm assuming the intention is for this to NOT go into our cap space and that it won't be finalized until tomorrow. Which essentially makes it an overpriced purchase of second rounders.

Giving TL the benefit of the doubt and assuming he's no fool.

I'm not wild about the fact that Martin isn't expiring.

Next season is non-GTD for Martin.

psman2 wrote:

Snakebites wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:Assume that Detroit holds off on this until they arrange a trade that utilizes their cap space, first, as Martin otherwise fits into their room exception.

Yeah it seems like a waste of cap space and the type of deal that absolutely would be on the table tomorrow if we really wanted to do it, so I'm assuming the intention is for this to NOT go into our cap space and that it won't be finalized until tomorrow. Which essentially makes it an overpriced purchase of second rounders.

Giving TL the benefit of the doubt and assuming he's no fool.

I'm not wild about the fact that Martin isn't expiring.

Next season is non-GTD for Martin.

Ah okay, b-ball reference didn't indicate that.

That's good.

Snakebites wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:Assume that Detroit holds off on this until they arrange a trade that utilizes their cap space, first, as Martin otherwise fits into their room exception.

Yeah it seems like a waste of cap space and the type of deal that absolutely would be on the table tomorrow if we really wanted to do it, so I'm assuming the intention is for this to NOT go into our cap space and that it won't be finalized until tomorrow. Which essentially makes it an overpriced purchase of second rounders.

Giving TL the benefit of the doubt and assuming he's no fool.

I'm not wild about the fact that Martin isn't expiring.

Why overpriced? 2nds are worth ~$2-3m, no? This is 2 2nds for less than half of Martin's $8m contract. Price seems right.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Snakebites wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:Assume that Detroit holds off on this until they arrange a trade that utilizes their cap space, first, as Martin otherwise fits into their room exception.

Yeah it seems like a waste of cap space and the type of deal that absolutely would be on the table tomorrow if we really wanted to do it, so I'm assuming the intention is for this to NOT go into our cap space and that it won't be finalized until tomorrow. Which essentially makes it an overpriced purchase of second rounders.

Giving TL the benefit of the doubt and assuming he's no fool.

I'm not wild about the fact that Martin isn't expiring.

The other option is that Detroit could take Martin into cap room and be able to immediately aggregate him in trade. So, they could combine him and Hardaway to bring back ~$30m in salary at the deadline.

They previously had roughly 14 million in cap space right? So they could have already taken someone making 30 million in to space with THJ. And that seems like it'd be more attractive to most teams, I would think?

OutsidetheNBA wrote:

Snakebites wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:Assume that Detroit holds off on this until they arrange a trade that utilizes their cap space, first, as Martin otherwise fits into their room exception.

Yeah it seems like a waste of cap space and the type of deal that absolutely would be on the table tomorrow if we really wanted to do it, so I'm assuming the intention is for this to NOT go into our cap space and that it won't be finalized until tomorrow. Which essentially makes it an overpriced purchase of second rounders.

Giving TL the benefit of the doubt and assuming he's no fool.

I'm not wild about the fact that Martin isn't expiring.

Why overpriced? 2nds are worth ~$2-3m, no? This is 2 2nds for less than half of Martin's $8m contract. Price seems right.

Yes, this was based on my original misconception that 25-26 was guarnateed for Martin.

Hopefully this isn't it, but 2 seconds for an 8mil expiring is fine. Actually pretty solid as long as we use our actual cap space first.

Scoot McGroot wrote:Assume that Detroit holds off on this until they arrange a trade that utilizes their cap space, first, as Martin otherwise fits into their room exception.

Yeah

Or he could be rerouted

Using $8M of cap space on KJ, while netting a couple of SRPs, is fine but kinda "meh" in a vacuum -- but may be even better if it is rerouted in a multi-team deal for something we really want

HartfordWhalers wrote:

Jojothewhale wrote:Process doesn't get much worse than signing a guy to a balloon deal to facilitate a future trade, having him be a pleasant on court surprise as a role player, and then paying to dump it. Woof.

2 seconds to have the option to add a 10m player isn’t a bad cost to pay to have that flexibility when the team *could* have been in the upper echelon.

The initial decision was fine. The price to dump him is fine. The decision to make the dump and how it fits into the broad arc here is what’s concerning to me.

Now if you want to say to wait to see what the proverbial other shoe is here, fair enough. But I’m less confident today.