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Well trade deadline is over, let's start discussing next season. Things in Sac feel like they are about to go very south very quick. I'd imagine we end the year as the 13th seed in the west, with a good chance of holding onto our pick.

If we decide to blow it up, where is a fit for Sabonis?

Things don’t look anything

They are two games in with new players not yet practicing or with the team and just played a back to back against the leagues hottest team to the wire. With in team adjustments that can be made - like starting the teams highest net rated player Keon

The team wants to compete and that’s still the appetite largely of the fan base

Things will be decided over the long haul

I think Vivek is too proud and stubborn to fully blow up the Kings, despite them (potentially) finishing 13th in the West as you predict.

Best fit for Sabonis.. now that's a tough one. Hmm, Charlotte? Brooklyn? Phoenix (they probably can't legally acquire him)?, and Pelicans?

I guess that's about it.. as to which team is the best fit, Charlotte definitely needs a big and he'd be a good vet for the young guns on the team. So I say Charlotte.

Hiring a new coach will be the first order of business if this season doesn’t work.

Knicks365247 wrote:I think Vivek is too proud and stubborn to fully blow up the Kings, despite them (potentially) finishing 13th in the West as you predict.

Best fit for Sabonis.. now that's a tough one. Hmm, Charlotte? Brooklyn? Phoenix (they probably can't legally acquire him)?, and Pelicans?

I guess that's about it.. as to which team is the best fit, Charlotte definitely needs a big and he'd be a good vet for the young guns on the team. So I say Charlotte.

I really like the Charlotte fit as well.

Lamelo, Miller, Sabonis is really onto the right direction.

The hard part becomes what is the incentive? No way they trade their top 5 pick for Sabonis. Which means maybe a future 1st + Salaun?

This might be my favorite fit. Sabonis to Detroit. Between Holland, Cade, Auser they have tons of long defenders.

Maybe something around Ivey + Duren?

LightTheBeam wrote:

Knicks365247 wrote:I think Vivek is too proud and stubborn to fully blow up the Kings, despite them (potentially) finishing 13th in the West as you predict.

Best fit for Sabonis.. now that's a tough one. Hmm, Charlotte? Brooklyn? Phoenix (they probably can't legally acquire him)?, and Pelicans?

I guess that's about it.. as to which team is the best fit, Charlotte definitely needs a big and he'd be a good vet for the young guns on the team. So I say Charlotte.

I really like the Charlotte fit as well.

Lamelo, Miller, Sabonis is really onto the right direction.

The hard part becomes what is the incentive? No way they trade their top 5 pick for Sabonis. Which means maybe a future 1st + Salaun?

Sabonis is worth more than that surely.

Im a big fan, so i would consider Miller and Nurkic to match $.

Diop wrote:

LightTheBeam wrote:

Knicks365247 wrote:I think Vivek is too proud and stubborn to fully blow up the Kings, despite them (potentially) finishing 13th in the West as you predict.

Best fit for Sabonis.. now that's a tough one. Hmm, Charlotte? Brooklyn? Phoenix (they probably can't legally acquire him)?, and Pelicans?

I guess that's about it.. as to which team is the best fit, Charlotte definitely needs a big and he'd be a good vet for the young guns on the team. So I say Charlotte.

I really like the Charlotte fit as well.

Lamelo, Miller, Sabonis is really onto the right direction.

The hard part becomes what is the incentive? No way they trade their top 5 pick for Sabonis. Which means maybe a future 1st + Salaun?

Sabonis is worth more than that surely.

Im a big fan, so i would consider Miller and Nurkic to match $.

Would it not make more sense to keep Miller + Lamelo + Sabonis? Even if it meant giving up your top pick (lets assume you land 4-6, no flagg, harper, bailey)

LightTheBeam wrote:

Diop wrote:

LightTheBeam wrote:
I really like the Charlotte fit as well.

Lamelo, Miller, Sabonis is really onto the right direction.

The hard part becomes what is the incentive? No way they trade their top 5 pick for Sabonis. Which means maybe a future 1st + Salaun?

Sabonis is worth more than that surely.

Im a big fan, so i would consider Miller and Nurkic to match $.

Would it not make more sense to keep Miller + Lamelo + Sabonis? Even if it meant giving up your top pick (lets assume you land 4-6, no flagg, harper, bailey)

absolutely, i guess it could be a decision to make after draft night. I just thought a Miller level value was needed to get Sabonis

Diop wrote:

LightTheBeam wrote:

Diop wrote:Sabonis is worth more than that surely.

Im a big fan, so i would consider Miller and Nurkic to match $.

Would it not make more sense to keep Miller + Lamelo + Sabonis? Even if it meant giving up your top pick (lets assume you land 4-6, no flagg, harper, bailey)

absolutely, i guess it could be a decision to make after draft night. I just thought a Miller level value was needed to get Sabonis

Id take miller for sabonis in a heart beat. I love sabonis but we built the worst fitting team possible around him. I'd take the pick for him also.

Lamelo - miller - bridges - sabonis

Id love to see that team go. They would easily be the most fun team in the nba to watch

I have 2 teams where I think I would fit especially well... the first in the GRIZZLIES, they have what would be their perfect partner in the front court... it would also give them another playmaker and scorer that they need... the offer I imagine...Aldama/Edey/GG Jackson/Con Clarke/Konchar to a 3 team+2 FRP+salary space (since Bagley/Kennard expire)?..

Ja/Bane/Wells/JJJ/Domantas..
+Pippen/Vince ....

The other destination would be to send him home, Blazers are a young team on the rise and Sabonis would help them take the next step. Clingan + FRP this year (if it falls in a 5/10 range) + J Grant?

LightTheBeam wrote:This might be my favorite fit. Sabonis to Detroit. Between Holland, Cade, Auser they have tons of long defenders.

Maybe something around Ivey + Duren?

I’d love to have Domas in Detroit, but successful team-building with him requires a defensive big to pair him with. I don’t think Stew is the answer there, tho he’s a fine 3rd big. So we’d be missing a piece that’s really important.

I’d def consider Ivey and Duren, though. We’d need to be “ready to compete”, whatever that means, before moving on from 2 of our best 6 young players*, and we’re not there as of today.

*That’s Cade, Ausar, Ivey, Holland, Duren, Stewart.

Why not?

Lively, Gafford, Klay, 2025 Dallas first, 2029 LAL first … no idea if you have to use PJ as well for salaries/value or not? Or if that’s too much / not enough as is..

But would probably be trying to keep the three cheap contracts (Martin, Naji, Christie) to help convince the Venetian to hold 3 max deals for a few years.

I would rather Dallas fire sale and tank right next to Sac though.

jayjaysee wrote:Why not?

Lively, Gafford, Klay, 2025 Dallas first, 2029 LAL first … no idea if you have to use PJ as well for salaries/value or not? Or if that’s too much / not enough as is..

But would probably be trying to keep the three cheap contracts (Martin, Naji, Christie) to help convince the Venetian to hold 3 max deals for a few years.

I would rather Dallas fire sale and tank right next to Sac though.

I think that would be a decent offer too. Personally I would be on the Miller line of thinking so far in terms of blue chip prospect, but Lively, '25 1st, '29 1st along with Gafford to trade for whatever you can get is decent value. You would need to do right by Klay and flip him to a contender for whatever you can get.

OxAndFox wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:Why not?

Lively, Gafford, Klay, 2025 Dallas first, 2029 LAL first … no idea if you have to use PJ as well for salaries/value or not? Or if that’s too much / not enough as is..

But would probably be trying to keep the three cheap contracts (Martin, Naji, Christie) to help convince the Venetian to hold 3 max deals for a few years.

I would rather Dallas fire sale and tank right next to Sac though.

I think that would be a decent offer too. Personally I would be on the Miller line of thinking so far in terms of blue chip prospect, but Lively, '25 1st, '29 1st along with Gafford to trade for whatever you can get is decent value. You would need to do right by Klay and flip him to a contender for whatever you can get.

Yeah, didn’t draw it out because I think Sac will be keeping Sabonis realistically. No idea why they didn’t feel a need to add some defenders, but I like what they did overall and they have some draft capital to retool this offseason (Demar out for defenders..)

jayjaysee wrote:

OxAndFox wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:Why not?

Lively, Gafford, Klay, 2025 Dallas first, 2029 LAL first … no idea if you have to use PJ as well for salaries/value or not? Or if that’s too much / not enough as is..

But would probably be trying to keep the three cheap contracts (Martin, Naji, Christie) to help convince the Venetian to hold 3 max deals for a few years.

I would rather Dallas fire sale and tank right next to Sac though.

I think that would be a decent offer too. Personally I would be on the Miller line of thinking so far in terms of blue chip prospect, but Lively, '25 1st, '29 1st along with Gafford to trade for whatever you can get is decent value. You would need to do right by Klay and flip him to a contender for whatever you can get.

Yeah, didn’t draw it out because I think Sac will be keeping Sabonis realistically. No idea why they didn’t feel a need to add some defenders, but I like what they did overall and they have some draft capital to retool this offseason (Demar out for defenders..)

I mean it feels like that should have been the plan anyway...especially after he mentioned about being reluctant to be in Sacramento long term if Fox was dealt. It's just amazing how you can put this collection of players together and expect them to have success. Don't get me wrong. They will have their moments, but this is definitely not how you build a PO contender.

jayjaysee wrote:Why not?

Lively, Gafford, Klay, 2025 Dallas first, 2029 LAL first … no idea if you have to use PJ as well for salaries/value or not? Or if that’s too much / not enough as is..

But would probably be trying to keep the three cheap contracts (Martin, Naji, Christie) to help convince the Venetian to hold 3 max deals for a few years.

I would rather Dallas fire sale and tank right next to Sac though.

I think the Mavs will go all out for KD again in the summer and I hope AD is the center most of the time in the Playoffs... although I love your idea, as a consolation prize...

Hornets
In: Ayton
Out: Nurkic/Green/FRP 26 (received from the Suns)

The Hornets improve the center position to be competitive next year. Ayton is expiring and would be a perfect fit...the idea would be to sign him long term in a more coherent deal

BLAZERS
In:Sabonis
Out:Ayton/Clingan/K.Murray/FRP 25 (if it falls in the 5/10 range)

They take a step forward in their construction, they add an allstar with the addition of being a city boy

KINGS
In:Nurkic/Clingan/Green/Murray/FRP 26(by Hornets)/FRP(By Blazers)
Out:Sabonis

Sabonis' best fit is next to Evan Mobley, Jaren Jackson or Chet Holmgren.

Astaluego wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:Why not?

Lively, Gafford, Klay, 2025 Dallas first, 2029 LAL first … no idea if you have to use PJ as well for salaries/value or not? Or if that’s too much / not enough as is..

But would probably be trying to keep the three cheap contracts (Martin, Naji, Christie) to help convince the Venetian to hold 3 max deals for a few years.

I would rather Dallas fire sale and tank right next to Sac though.

I think the Mavs will go all out for KD again in the summer and I hope AD is the center most of the time in the Playoffs... although I love your idea, as a consolation prize...

Yeah, I almost fell for Dallas having a chance to land KD this year. Next? I’d hope the asking price is a lot lower..

But for Dallas specifically? I don’t see it next year. I’d have to pull out a calculator but I think KD’s contract would require Gafford, PJ, Klay, Naji and another salary just to create a legal trade (over first apron can’t take back more than you send out..).

And Dallas would really have no way to build the roster except vet mins as they’d be over the first apron.. Depending on how much Kyrie gets you’re struggling to fill a bench without dumping another midsized contract..

And all that ignores finding out what Phoenix would actually want in a KD trade…

This season, it would have been a lot easier to make a deal as AD’s extension hadn’t kicked in and Dallas could have tried to find a decent 20mpg piece in the buyout market..

Next season Sabonis makes 11 mil less than KD. Which opens a lot of options for a team that will likely want to stay under the first apron (just my guess) but will also be hard capped at the second apron.. but we really don’t know what Kai will ask for this offseason so maybe there’s more/less wiggle room than I am projecting.

And also - Dallas shouldn’t make this move until Kyrie is resigned obviously... So if that doesn’t get done early in the process, my unrealistic idea gets even more unrealistic. If Kai walks, you have a one year tank window and the returns from AD and a couple others might help set you up. Suffer through a season of Hardy/Christie starting…