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CELTICS
In:M.Sasser/I Stewart/SRP Raptors 25/SRP 27
Out:KP

Boston is in a tough financial situation.. They move KP for 2 young guys, with several years of control, who should fit in well..they save almost half of KP's money and get several SRPs in the process... Last year they proved they can win easily without KP

PISTONS
In:KP
Out:Sasser/Stewart/SRP25 and 27

They get Cade a star, he should fit like a glove... He can play as a stretched out 5... or at 4 with Duren...

Thoughts..?

The value is fine but if Boston is trying to save money I think they would look to dump Jrue before KP. Even though KP is injury prone, he fits the timeline of Tatum, Brown and white better than Jrue

At that price, probably gotta say yes. But it still feels weird.

EDIT: Just remembered he’s only got one more year, as this would obv be off-season.

I’d need assurances he’ll stay on a reasonable deal. If that’s not likely or not possible, I’d pass. Stew is important here, and we won’t be ready to contend next year, with or without Zinger.

This lowers BOS's enormous tax bill next year, but their potential payroll concerns stem more in the years AFTER next season if you look at the big picture. Their long term issue stems from the repeater rates. The actual solution to their payroll concerns isn't the bandaid of lowering next season's tax bill, it's setting them up to stay below the tax in the 2 years after next (26-27 and 27-28) while still remaining championship caliber. That's what will reset the repeater rates. Still being in the tax next year, just paying less of it, is only a bandaid.

Trading Jrue (or White, but less likely) for an on court downgrade but a better long term outlook is the move.

tmorgan wrote:At that price, probably gotta say yes. But it still feels weird.

EDIT: Just remembered he’s only got one more year, as this would obv be off-season.

I’d need assurances he’ll stay on a reasonable deal. If that’s not likely or not possible, I’d pass. Stew is important here, and we won’t be ready to contend next year, with or without Zinger.

Not that I want this trade, because I don't, but it always bothers me with the "team X won't be ready to contend in Y time frame" when it comes to player acquisitions.

I always go back to the lottery Phoenix Suns, adding past prime mid-30s Chris Paul and contending immediately. When you have a young star and a bunch of blossoming young guys, you really are just the right vet star away from contending. Which is why, instead of KP, I wouldn't mind taking a shot at KD.

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DetroitSho wrote:

tmorgan wrote:At that price, probably gotta say yes. But it still feels weird.

EDIT: Just remembered he’s only got one more year, as this would obv be off-season.

I’d need assurances he’ll stay on a reasonable deal. If that’s not likely or not possible, I’d pass. Stew is important here, and we won’t be ready to contend next year, with or without Zinger.

Not that I want this trade, because I don't, but it always bothers me with the "team X won't be ready to contend in Y time frame" when it comes to player acquisitions.

I always go back to the lottery Phoenix Suns, adding past prime mid-30s Chris Paul and contending immediately. When you have a young star and a bunch of blossoming young guys, you really are just the right vet star away from contending. Which is why, instead of KP, I wouldn't mind taking a shot at KD.

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Or do a crazy trade and get Zion…

PF is certainly on the Pistons agenda this offseason, but I’d prefer to do it without losing Stewart.

theBigLip wrote:

DetroitSho wrote:

tmorgan wrote:At that price, probably gotta say yes. But it still feels weird.

EDIT: Just remembered he’s only got one more year, as this would obv be off-season.

I’d need assurances he’ll stay on a reasonable deal. If that’s not likely or not possible, I’d pass. Stew is important here, and we won’t be ready to contend next year, with or without Zinger.

Not that I want this trade, because I don't, but it always bothers me with the "team X won't be ready to contend in Y time frame" when it comes to player acquisitions.

I always go back to the lottery Phoenix Suns, adding past prime mid-30s Chris Paul and contending immediately. When you have a young star and a bunch of blossoming young guys, you really are just the right vet star away from contending. Which is why, instead of KP, I wouldn't mind taking a shot at KD.

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Or do a crazy trade and get Zion…

PF is certainly on the Pistons agenda this offseason, but I’d prefer to do it without losing Stewart.

We do have one fairly expensive year of Tobias left as well (26.6 mil).

balsamic_ducks wrote:The value is fine but if Boston is trying to save money I think they would look to dump Jrue before KP. Even though KP is injury prone, he fits the timeline of Tatum, Brown and white better than Jrue

I mean yeah. They’d of course prefer to trade Jrue given his decline, age, and longer term salary commitment.

Will be tougher to find a taker there though for those same reasons.

No doubt it’s the venue they’ll explore first though.

I'd be cautious with his injury history. But Sasser and two second rounders isn't much. Stew would be a bit of a blow as he's been such an impactful player for us.

Also you'd want to lock him into a two year extension as he's essentially an expiring if he's traded this off-season.

theBigLip wrote:

DetroitSho wrote:

tmorgan wrote:At that price, probably gotta say yes. But it still feels weird.

EDIT: Just remembered he’s only got one more year, as this would obv be off-season.

I’d need assurances he’ll stay on a reasonable deal. If that’s not likely or not possible, I’d pass. Stew is important here, and we won’t be ready to contend next year, with or without Zinger.

Not that I want this trade, because I don't, but it always bothers me with the "team X won't be ready to contend in Y time frame" when it comes to player acquisitions.

I always go back to the lottery Phoenix Suns, adding past prime mid-30s Chris Paul and contending immediately. When you have a young star and a bunch of blossoming young guys, you really are just the right vet star away from contending. Which is why, instead of KP, I wouldn't mind taking a shot at KD.

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Or do a crazy trade and get Zion…

PF is certainly on the Pistons agenda this offseason, but I’d prefer to do it without losing Stewart.

I'd be with Zion too, for 70 cents on the dollar.

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Detroit says no. Good value, poor fit. We prioritize availability too much to wrap that much of the cap into that kinda injury history.

Snakebites wrote:

balsamic_ducks wrote:The value is fine but if Boston is trying to save money I think they would look to dump Jrue before KP. Even though KP is injury prone, he fits the timeline of Tatum, Brown and white better than Jrue

I mean yeah. They’d of course prefer to trade Jrue given his decline, age, and longer term salary commitment.

Will be tougher to find a taker there though for those same reasons.

No doubt it’s the venue they’ll explore first though.

Maybe I'm naive, but I really doubt it will be hard to find a taker for Jrue. He's still really, really good. I just don't think you'll find a taker who wants to give up a value for him. But finding someone to take him on and then using that as part of a 3 team deal or setting you up for future deals... I don't think that's difficult at all.

But the Clippers, sitting there with a window of the years Kawhi and Harden have left, wouldn't trade the expiring filler slop package of Bogi/Dunn/Eubanks?

The Lakers wouldn't trade Vanderbilt/Vincent/Kleber for Jrue? He'd be a godsend for their defense in the short term while they try to win with Lebron and in a few years they can attach picks to his then expiring contract for someone on Luka's timeline.

The Mavs have a short window with AD/Kyrie/Klay. They wouldn't trade a slopped together package of some combo of Marshall/Hardy/Christie/Martin/Powell?

Those deals are obviously all horrendous for BOS on the court, but it gives them very tradable contract and they have all of their future picks currently. So they can add their picks to some/all of those deals and get better basketball pieces back.

hugepatsfan wrote:

Snakebites wrote:

balsamic_ducks wrote:The value is fine but if Boston is trying to save money I think they would look to dump Jrue before KP. Even though KP is injury prone, he fits the timeline of Tatum, Brown and white better than Jrue

I mean yeah. They’d of course prefer to trade Jrue given his decline, age, and longer term salary commitment.

Will be tougher to find a taker there though for those same reasons.

No doubt it’s the venue they’ll explore first though.

Maybe I'm naive, but I really doubt it will be hard to find a taker for Jrue. He's still really, really good. I just don't think you'll find a taker who wants to give up a value for him. But finding someone to take him on and then using that as part of a 3 team deal or setting you up for future deals... I don't think that's difficult at all.

But the Clippers, sitting there with a window of the years Kawhi and Harden have left, wouldn't trade the expiring filler slop package of Bogi/Dunn/Eubanks?

The Lakers wouldn't trade Vanderbilt/Vincent/Kleber for Jrue? He'd be a godsend for their defense in the short term while they try to win with Lebron and in a few years they can attach picks to his then expiring contract for someone on Luka's timeline.

The Mavs have a short window with AD/Kyrie/Klay. They wouldn't trade a slopped together package of some combo of Marshall/Hardy/Christie/Martin/Powell?

Those deals are obviously all horrendous for BOS on the court, but it gives them very tradable contract and they have all of their future picks currently. So they can add their picks to some/all of those deals and get better basketball pieces back.

I agree

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hugepatsfan wrote:

Snakebites wrote:

balsamic_ducks wrote:The value is fine but if Boston is trying to save money I think they would look to dump Jrue before KP. Even though KP is injury prone, he fits the timeline of Tatum, Brown and white better than Jrue

I mean yeah. They’d of course prefer to trade Jrue given his decline, age, and longer term salary commitment.

Will be tougher to find a taker there though for those same reasons.

No doubt it’s the venue they’ll explore first though.

Maybe I'm naive, but I really doubt it will be hard to find a taker for Jrue. He's still really, really good. I just don't think you'll find a taker who wants to give up a value for him. But finding someone to take him on and then using that as part of a 3 team deal or setting you up for future deals... I don't think that's difficult at all.

But the Clippers, sitting there with a window of the years Kawhi and Harden have left, wouldn't trade the expiring filler slop package of Bogi/Dunn/Eubanks?

The Lakers wouldn't trade Vanderbilt/Vincent/Kleber for Jrue? He'd be a godsend for their defense in the short term while they try to win with Lebron and in a few years they can attach picks to his then expiring contract for someone on Luka's timeline.

The Mavs have a short window with AD/Kyrie/Klay. They wouldn't trade a slopped together package of some combo of Marshall/Hardy/Christie/Martin/Powell?

Those deals are obviously all horrendous for BOS on the court, but it gives them very tradable contract and they have all of their future picks currently. So they can add their picks to some/all of those deals and get better basketball pieces back.

I don't think Boston would have trouble finding a taker for Jrue this offseason if all they were looking for was expiring slop. But I don't know how much longer that offer will be on the table given his age and salary.

IMO the most likely answer is they ride out his current deal and either let him walk/retire or re-sign him to a much smaller deal in 28-29

hugepatsfan wrote:

Snakebites wrote:

balsamic_ducks wrote:The value is fine but if Boston is trying to save money I think they would look to dump Jrue before KP. Even though KP is injury prone, he fits the timeline of Tatum, Brown and white better than Jrue

I mean yeah. They’d of course prefer to trade Jrue given his decline, age, and longer term salary commitment.

Will be tougher to find a taker there though for those same reasons.

No doubt it’s the venue they’ll explore first though.

Maybe I'm naive, but I really doubt it will be hard to find a taker for Jrue. He's still really, really good. I just don't think you'll find a taker who wants to give up a value for him. But finding someone to take him on and then using that as part of a 3 team deal or setting you up for future deals... I don't think that's difficult at all.

But the Clippers, sitting there with a window of the years Kawhi and Harden have left, wouldn't trade the expiring filler slop package of Bogi/Dunn/Eubanks?

The Lakers wouldn't trade Vanderbilt/Vincent/Kleber for Jrue? He'd be a godsend for their defense in the short term while they try to win with Lebron and in a few years they can attach picks to his then expiring contract for someone on Luka's timeline.

The Mavs have a short window with AD/Kyrie/Klay. They wouldn't trade a slopped together package of some combo of Marshall/Hardy/Christie/Martin/Powell?

Those deals are obviously all horrendous for BOS on the court, but it gives them very tradable contract and they have all of their future picks currently. So they can add their picks to some/all of those deals and get better basketball pieces back.

If your sights are set as low as that then yeah, I’d say you can likely move him in the offseason.

Boston's big issue is paying both Holiday and White nearly $60M combined over the next 3 plus years. Holiday's contract lasts until he is 37/38.

This is ok for both teams but I don’t see it as something either team would really pursue.
For Boston it lessens that tax hit next year but makes it harder to get out if the repeater tax in the future. I’d pass

hugepatsfan wrote:

Snakebites wrote:

balsamic_ducks wrote:The value is fine but if Boston is trying to save money I think they would look to dump Jrue before KP. Even though KP is injury prone, he fits the timeline of Tatum, Brown and white better than Jrue

I mean yeah. They’d of course prefer to trade Jrue given his decline, age, and longer term salary commitment.

Will be tougher to find a taker there though for those same reasons.

No doubt it’s the venue they’ll explore first though.

Maybe I'm naive, but I really doubt it will be hard to find a taker for Jrue. He's still really, really good. I just don't think you'll find a taker who wants to give up a value for him. But finding someone to take him on and then using that as part of a 3 team deal or setting you up for future deals... I don't think that's difficult at all.

But the Clippers, sitting there with a window of the years Kawhi and Harden have left, wouldn't trade the expiring filler slop package of Bogi/Dunn/Eubanks?

The Lakers wouldn't trade Vanderbilt/Vincent/Kleber for Jrue? He'd be a godsend for their defense in the short term while they try to win with Lebron and in a few years they can attach picks to his then expiring contract for someone on Luka's timeline.

The Mavs have a short window with AD/Kyrie/Klay. They wouldn't trade a slopped together package of some combo of Marshall/Hardy/Christie/Martin/Powell?

Those deals are obviously all horrendous for BOS on the court, but it gives them very tradable contract and they have all of their future picks currently. So they can add their picks to some/all of those deals and get better basketball pieces back.

I can't see anyone taking Jrue without incentive. He's slid this season and turns 35 this summer. Then he's owed 32,4, 34.8, and 37.2. A GM taking that on for expirings should be shown the door.

Kalamazoo317 wrote:Detroit says no. Good value, poor fit. We prioritize availability too much to wrap that much of the cap into that kinda injury history.

He's played more games than Cade in the last three seasons.

You have to take this if you're Detroit.