Chi-BRK pick swap

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Chi-BRK pick swap 

Post#1 » by pipfan » Mon Feb 17, 2025 4:45 pm

Bulls offer BRK the Port pick for one of their 2 picks that will end up in the 20's

BRK has their pick, the Milw pick (currently #19) plus Hou and the Knicks (currently 24/27)

Bulls get a pick now-roll the dice on cheap talent

BRK hopes to get a #15-17 pick in 2026-28. Port is looking better and could be a threat for the playoffs next season
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Re: Chi-BRK pick swap 

Post#2 » by TheNetsFan » Mon Feb 17, 2025 5:19 pm

I don't believe a team would give up a guaranteed first for a future lottery protected first that may never convey. Hoping that maybe you get a pick a few slots higher than your original pick in some unknown draft year does not sound like a worthwhile gamble.
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Re: Chi-BRK pick swap 

Post#3 » by louc1970 » Mon Feb 17, 2025 5:26 pm

pipfan wrote:Bulls offer BRK the Port pick for one of their 2 picks that will end up in the 20's

BRK has their pick, the Milw pick (currently #19) plus Hou and the Knicks (currently 24/27)

Bulls get a pick now-roll the dice on cheap talent

BRK hopes to get a #15-17 pick in 2026-28. Port is looking better and could be a threat for the playoffs next season

What are the conditions on the pick in 26? I would want a guarantee of it conveying in 26 or 28.
If it could be a 26 guarantee pick, I would do the trade.
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Re: Chi-BRK pick swap 

Post#4 » by TheNetsFan » Mon Feb 17, 2025 5:33 pm

louc1970 wrote:
pipfan wrote:Bulls offer BRK the Port pick for one of their 2 picks that will end up in the 20's

BRK has their pick, the Milw pick (currently #19) plus Hou and the Knicks (currently 24/27)

Bulls get a pick now-roll the dice on cheap talent

BRK hopes to get a #15-17 pick in 2026-28. Port is looking better and could be a threat for the playoffs next season

What are the conditions on the pick in 26? I would want a guarantee of it conveying in 26 or 28.
If it could be a 26 guarantee pick, I would do the trade.

Top 14 protected through '28, and then conveys as a 2nd.
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Re: Chi-BRK pick swap 

Post#5 » by louc1970 » Mon Feb 17, 2025 5:48 pm

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louc1970 wrote:
pipfan wrote:Bulls offer BRK the Port pick for one of their 2 picks that will end up in the 20's

BRK has their pick, the Milw pick (currently #19) plus Hou and the Knicks (currently 24/27)

Bulls get a pick now-roll the dice on cheap talent

BRK hopes to get a #15-17 pick in 2026-28. Port is looking better and could be a threat for the playoffs next season

What are the conditions on the pick in 26? I would want a guarantee of it conveying in 26 or 28.
If it could be a 26 guarantee pick, I would do the trade.

Top 14 protected through '28, and then conveys as a 2nd.

I would probably do it anyway. Keep costs down while chasing FAs. Doubtful the 24/27 is going to bring in a player that changes the team trajectory.
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Re: Chi-BRK pick swap 

Post#6 » by wemby » Mon Feb 17, 2025 6:17 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:I don't believe a team would give up a guaranteed first for a future lottery protected first that may never convey. Hoping that maybe you get a pick a few slots higher than your original pick in some unknown draft year does not sound like a worthwhile gamble.

Nets have more picks than they can afford to take (4 first rounders and one high second rounder) and teams know that, plus this draft isn't that deep. I doubt they'd be able to get more value than this, I definitely think they should take this deal if offered.
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Re: Chi-BRK pick swap 

Post#7 » by pipfan » Mon Feb 17, 2025 7:30 pm

Let's say it's the latest of the Hou/NY pick-around #27

I think that's worth it, with Port's recent good play.

Henderson/Simons
Sharpe/Simons
Deni/Thybulle
Grant/Camara/Murray
Ayton/Clingan
Plus a top 8 pick-that's a nice core
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Re: Chi-BRK pick swap 

Post#8 » by ChettheJet » Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:54 pm

PORT has to catch fire to go from #9 to #15 without several of the teams in between folding up shop.

But like always when that PORT pick comes up, it's worth more to them than anyone else. They have stood still at another trading period so maybe they decide to finally start making moves this summer. Let's say the Nets know they're tanking next year too so they make some moves to set up their 2026 summer.

Revolve things around PORT getting their pick back from the Bulls and they get a 20's pick from BRK. The Nets trade Claxton in another deal, they take an expiring Vucevic from the Bulls so they cover that position fora year and he serves as a mentor to their 3? draft picks. Who or what combo in the $20M range can the Bulls get from PORT? In the past I would have been looking for a center but now with Smith and an expiring Collins the Bulls are close to covered. Avdija is on a declining contract and might be too much, without more trades the Bulls still don't need another guard but you can't guess what the Blazers will finally want to do.
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Re: Chi-BRK pick swap 

Post#9 » by Dez » Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:39 am

This makes no sense for Brooklyn, why give up a guaranteed 1st for an unlikely 1st?

Billy King isn't there anymore.
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Re: Chi-BRK pick swap 

Post#10 » by pipfan » Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:08 am

Dez wrote:This makes no sense for Brooklyn, why give up a guaranteed 1st for an unlikely 1st?

Billy King isn't there anymore.

Because they have 4 1sts this year, and already have a bunch of young guys.

This gives them a hopefully solid pick (15-18 in the 26-28 seasons) for a #27 pick now, when they'll already have 3 rookies

It's a gamble, but seems like a good one to me (plus they have an early 2nd round pick)
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Re: Chi-BRK pick swap 

Post#11 » by Godaddycurse » Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:28 am

pipfan wrote:
Dez wrote:This makes no sense for Brooklyn, why give up a guaranteed 1st for an unlikely 1st?

Billy King isn't there anymore.

Because they have 4 1sts this year, and already have a bunch of young guys.

This gives them a hopefully solid pick (15-18 in the 26-28 seasons) for a #27 pick now, when they'll already have 3 rookies

It's a gamble, but seems like a good one to me (plus they have an early 2nd round pick)


portland being in the western conference means its really unlikely they make the playoffs imo
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Re: Chi-BRK pick swap 

Post#12 » by Dez » Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:37 am

pipfan wrote:
Dez wrote:This makes no sense for Brooklyn, why give up a guaranteed 1st for an unlikely 1st?

Billy King isn't there anymore.

Because they have 4 1sts this year, and already have a bunch of young guys.

This gives them a hopefully solid pick (15-18 in the 26-28 seasons) for a #27 pick now, when they'll already have 3 rookies

It's a gamble, but seems like a good one to me (plus they have an early 2nd round pick)


It's not a good deal for them, they could easily get a superior offer than a pick that is 99% going to be a 2nd round pick.
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Post#13 » by Devilanche » Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:37 am

wemby wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:I don't believe a team would give up a guaranteed first for a future lottery protected first that may never convey. Hoping that maybe you get a pick a few slots higher than your original pick in some unknown draft year does not sound like a worthwhile gamble.

Nets have more picks than they can afford to take (4 first rounders and one high second rounder) and teams know that, plus this draft isn't that deep. I doubt they'd be able to get more value than this, I definitely think they should take this deal if offered.


I don’t see it as a huge issue . 5 picks
- Draft 2
- Stash 1
- Use 1 of them to try and move up with 1 of the earlier pick.
- If not able to , use the remaining 2 picks (instead of 1) for a protected future first.

The flip side of some teams having too much picks than spot is that there are teams needing depth but out of picks .
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Re: Chi-BRK pick swap 

Post#14 » by giberish » Tue Feb 18, 2025 6:04 am

Dez wrote:
pipfan wrote:
Dez wrote:This makes no sense for Brooklyn, why give up a guaranteed 1st for an unlikely 1st?

Billy King isn't there anymore.

Because they have 4 1sts this year, and already have a bunch of young guys.

This gives them a hopefully solid pick (15-18 in the 26-28 seasons) for a #27 pick now, when they'll already have 3 rookies

It's a gamble, but seems like a good one to me (plus they have an early 2nd round pick)


It's not a good deal for them, they could easily get a superior offer than a pick that is 99% going to be a 2nd round pick.


I'd put it more like 50/50. Trading #27 (or so) for a 50/50 chance at a pick in the 15-20 range is quite reasonable.

There's 3 whole seasons after this one in play. That's a lot of time and a bunch of WC teams are old and low on youth/picks and likely to be much worse by 27 and 28. Not a sure thing they make the playoffs but hardly an extreme long-shot.
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Re: Chi-BRK pick swap 

Post#15 » by wemby » Tue Feb 18, 2025 8:06 am

Devilanche wrote:
wemby wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:I don't believe a team would give up a guaranteed first for a future lottery protected first that may never convey. Hoping that maybe you get a pick a few slots higher than your original pick in some unknown draft year does not sound like a worthwhile gamble.

Nets have more picks than they can afford to take (4 first rounders and one high second rounder) and teams know that, plus this draft isn't that deep. I doubt they'd be able to get more value than this, I definitely think they should take this deal if offered.


I don’t see it as a huge issue . 5 picks
- Draft 2
- Stash 1
- Use 1 of them to try and move up with 1 of the earlier pick.
- If not able to , use the remaining 2 picks (instead of 1) for a protected future first.

The flip side of some teams having too much picks than spot is that there are teams needing depth but out of picks .

If you NEED to stash you're restricting yourself to players willing to be stashed, which a lot of players aren't. There are no guarantees the players you like would be.
If you NEED to use a pick to move up, there are no guarantees you'll get a good deal for a player you like, or maybe you don't really need to or you're overpaying.
Point is, spending 5 picks isn't the problem, getting fair value when you're against the wall is. If you enter the draft with 5 picks and everybody knows you can't make room for as many rookies, then that leads to suboptimal choices. Hence, it's preferable to avoid that scenario, if you're presented with a good opportunity to sell in advance.
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Re: Chi-BRK pick swap 

Post#16 » by Devilanche » Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:17 am

wemby wrote:
Devilanche wrote:
wemby wrote:Nets have more picks than they can afford to take (4 first rounders and one high second rounder) and teams know that, plus this draft isn't that deep. I doubt they'd be able to get more value than this, I definitely think they should take this deal if offered.


I don’t see it as a huge issue . 5 picks
- Draft 2
- Stash 1
- Use 1 of them to try and move up with 1 of the earlier pick.
- If not able to , use the remaining 2 picks (instead of 1) for a protected future first.

The flip side of some teams having too much picks than spot is that there are teams needing depth but out of picks .

If you NEED to stash you're restricting yourself to players willing to be stashed, which a lot of players aren't. There are no guarantees the players you like would be.
If you NEED to use a pick to move up, there are no guarantees you'll get a good deal for a player you like, or maybe you don't really need to or you're overpaying.
Point is, spending 5 picks isn't the problem, getting fair value when you're against the wall is. If you enter the draft with 5 picks and everybody knows you can't make room for as many rookies, then that leads to suboptimal choices. Hence, it's preferable to avoid that scenario, if you're presented with a good opportunity to sell in advance.

I don’t believe this is a good opportunity though. It’s just a meh for meh trade to me.

I’m just listing down the ways that 5 picks can be done . You don’t have to stash if you don’t find the right candidate but 5 picks can be easily moved down to 2-3 picked players at the draft.


You will get fair value or pretty close to it at the draft itself. People won’t be thinking I’m moving a future pick 20 for current pick __ . They are thinking I’m giving up future pick __ for a chance to draft player X who I really like.

To me this is another version of those scenario where teams need to trade to reduce their tax bill or get out of tax. Those teams will capspace always say we want to be paid a high premium cause which other team will be available to absorb those salary . End of the trade deadline whoever wants to move salary usually does and at fairly decent price as well.

The most suboptimal trades I seen involving draft picks is OKC paying 3 future protected firsts to get a shot of drafting Dieng in the lotto or paying a grab bag of seconds to draft Dillon in the late first.

Have yet to see teams getting less for moving out of the draft to get a future pick but that could be because I didn’t have any specific anchor to remember (said player that was picked at the spot that team moved out off)
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Re: Chi-BRK pick swap 

Post#17 » by ecuhus1981 » Tue Feb 18, 2025 12:01 pm

Nets decline.

The Portland pick is unlikely to convey as a 1st, in a crowded Western Conference it'll probably be the 2028 2nd.

That said, we could entertain a deal where we consolidate our 3 later 1sts for the CHI 1st, as long as the protections were minimal for a couple of years, top-4 or something. But the pick MUST extinguish as an unprotected 1st.
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Post#18 » by Mavrelous » Tue Feb 18, 2025 12:04 pm

I don't think Broklyn declines, they have too many picks this year and will gladly roll one of them over, maybe will ask for a 2nd or 2 on top...
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Post#19 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Feb 18, 2025 3:13 pm

Mavrelous wrote:I don't think Broklyn declines, they have too many picks this year and will gladly roll one of them over, maybe will ask for a 2nd or 2 on top...



Agreed. It makes sense. Especially with Portland now
Not looking completely inept? Like, there’s some hope there, and it’s rare a team would stay completely out of the playoff pictures for so long in a row, nowadays.

Before this seasons, many thought that Detroit owed 1st was worthless. It’s now looking like it’ll convey. Things happen quickly.
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Re: Chi-BRK pick swap 

Post#20 » by TheNetsFan » Tue Feb 18, 2025 7:26 pm

wemby wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:I don't believe a team would give up a guaranteed first for a future lottery protected first that may never convey. Hoping that maybe you get a pick a few slots higher than your original pick in some unknown draft year does not sound like a worthwhile gamble.

Nets have more picks than they can afford to take (4 first rounders and one high second rounder) and teams know that, plus this draft isn't that deep. I doubt they'd be able to get more value than this, I definitely think they should take this deal if offered.

The Nets have a blank slate next year. They only have 4 players with guaranteed deals next season, 2 Team Options and 3 RFAs. They could exercise every Team Option, keep every RFA, draft all 5 picks & still have roster room. They can definitely afford to draft 5 rookies.

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