Nets/Lakers/Pistons offseason

[Astaluego]

NETS
In:T Harris/Fontecchio/Sasser/Knecht/Lakers31+ 2 Future SRP FRP(by Pistons)
Out: Claxton/Cam Johnson

They continue their rebuild, selling the 2 veterans they have.. They get a couple of prospects and an unprotected future FRP.. freeing up all the cap space for the talent-laden free agency in 2026
They can probably move Harris at the deadline for more value.

LAKERS
In:Duren
Out: Knecht/Lakers31

Lakers get the 5 they are looking for even on a rookie contract, which helps them with their recovery plan.

PISTONS
In:Cam Johnson/Claxton
Out:Harris/Fontecchio/Sasser/Duren/2 SRP

Claxton/IStewart
Johnson/Klitman
Thompson/Holland
Ivey/*Beasley
Cade/*Schroeder

This trade helps them cover up some of their most obvious flaws...a starting 4 and a defensively strong center.

[fanforlife]

As a Pistons fan I don't entirely reject this trade although I am not sure how much this improves the team. While Claxton is a good defensive player, his contract is hefty and I don't think he has nearly the upside of Duren. Not sure I see the Pistons trading Duren at the point who is getting better all the time. And while I like Cam Johnson, he too has a hefty contract and is a bit one dimensional. So you see that I am talking myself out of this trade. I just think given how well the Pistons are playing and the contributions being made by their young players, that it is better for the Pistons to stick with them another season or two before making decisions about their futures in Detroit.

[Slava]

Lakers offered Pistons the same package for Duren that they offered to Charlotte for Mark Williams and Detroit declined. I don’t see how they change their mind by the summer.

[Billl]

This isnt horrible, but I don't think detroit is looking to move on from duren, but we'll see what the rest of the season holds.

What's up with Claxton this year? His shotblocking has fallen off a cliff. The 2+ bpg claxton is a lot more appealing than 1.4. That's only a minor upgrade from duren in that rim protection range and a downgrade in a lot of other areas.

[tmorgan]

Duren’s played considerably better on both ends after a slow start this year. I don’t know how much of that is attributable to him and how much is who he’s playing with (the return to health of Ausar in particular), but he’s probably not available for a marginal upgrade that’s older and more expensive.

[oldncreaky]

Duren’s played considerably better on both ends after a slow start this year. I don’t know how much of that is attributable to him and how much is who he’s playing with (the return to health of Ausar in particular), but he’s probably not available for a marginal upgrade that’s older and more expensive.

Agree

It alos seems really premature to start making calls on this DET squad. I'd guess we move on from 1 of our Cs, and one of our 5th-overall picks, sometime in the next couple of years. However, all of these guys are under 24, I really don't know which players will end up getting "voted off the island", and I'm really reluctant to speculate before we've even seen a playoff run

[tmorgan]

Duren’s played considerably better on both ends after a slow start this year. I don’t know how much of that is attributable to him and how much is who he’s playing with (the return to health of Ausar in particular), but he’s probably not available for a marginal upgrade that’s older and more expensive.

Agree

It alos seems really premature to start making calls on this DET squad. I'd guess we move on from 1 of our Cs, and one of our 5th-overall picks, sometime in the next couple of years. However, all of these guys are under 24, I really don't know which players will end up getting "voted off the island", and I'm really reluctant to speculate before we've even seen a playoff run

Actually, I don’t see us moving off of Duren or Stewart any time soon. Maybe if Duren really improves his mental game we could move Stew, but I doubt it. Stewart may be a goon, but he’s a skilled goon, and he’s a culture-setting goon, and he’s our goon.

As for one Ivey/Ausar/Holland, most definitely. That’s just too many athletic wings to not cash one in somewhere else. What’s really interesting is which one? Ivey’s easily shown the most of the three as a shooter, but he’s also easily the worst defensively. I hope Holland improves rapidly and makes this an interesting conversation.

[DetroitDon15]

NETS
In:T Harris/Fontecchio/Sasser/Knecht/Lakers31+ 2 Future FRP(by Pistons)
Out: Claxton/Cam Johnson

They continue their rebuild, selling the 2 veterans they have.. They get a couple of prospects and an unprotected future FRP.. freeing up all the cap space for the talent-laden free agency in 2026
They can probably move Harris at the deadline for more value.

LAKERS
In:Duren
Out: Knecht/Lakers31

Lakers get the 5 they are looking for even on a rookie contract, which helps them with their recovery plan.

PISTONS
In:Cam Johnson/Claxton
Out:Harris/Fontecchio/Sasser/Duren/2 SRP

Claxton/IStewart
Johnson/Klitman
Thompson/Holland
Ivey/*Beasley
Cade/*Schroeder

This trade helps them cover up some of their most obvious flaws...a starting 4 and a defensively strong center.

I’m not sure that Cam is enough of an upgrade over Harris to give up Duren and take on the Claxton deal. I could see a wing for a 4 but don’t think moving Duren is in the Pistons best interest.

[zeebneeb]

Pass. Duren has been amazing the past 20 or so games, and is the premier lob threat in the league, in only 25mpg.

Sorry Laker fans, Luka/Bron target is Hayes, not Duren. Pistons will never move a piece that fits perfectly with Cade.

[ecuhus1981]

This isnt horrible, but I don't think detroit is looking to move on from duren, but we'll see what the rest of the season holds.

What's up with Claxton this year? His shotblocking has fallen off a cliff. The 2+ bpg claxton is a lot more appealing than 1.4. That's only a minor upgrade from duren in that rim protection range and a downgrade in a lot of other areas.

In short, I don't know.

Nic NEEDS a great playmaker and floor spacer as his P&R partner, that's truly the only way he's a positive contributor on the offensive end. He does that one thing (lob finishing) extremely well, but without someone to set him up for it, he's almost lost. Also, not getting easy dunks and transition buckets seems to bring out a lazy less motivated side of Clax defensively.

I know that's not a ringing endorsement of a player we're shopping, but that's the truth. I think he could be AWESOME again next to a lead guard like Cade, but I don't expect his trade value to reflect that.

[tmorgan]

Well, that’s just it. Is Claxton an upgrade on Duren *for the price*? I’d have to say no.

They’re both athletic lob finishers, no real difference there.

Claxton is definitely better overall at defense and rim protection, but Duren is a better rebounder.

I can’t speak on Claxton’s potential on offense except to say he’s 25 and probably a finished product. Duren is 21, is clearly a better passer, and I still think he has step out potential, at least to mid-range. Both are pretty limited right now, obviously.

I think Duren’s just a better player, and obviously much cheaper for another year, but… you have to tolerate his defensive lapses and foul trouble. That’s why having Stewart around really helps. Don’t think it makes sense for Detroit to pursue this.

[Astaluego]

This isnt horrible, but I don't think detroit is looking to move on from duren, but we'll see what the rest of the season holds.

What's up with Claxton this year? His shotblocking has fallen off a cliff. The 2+ bpg claxton is a lot more appealing than 1.4. That's only a minor upgrade from duren in that rim protection range and a downgrade in a lot of other areas.

In short, I don't know.

Nic NEEDS a great playmaker and floor spacer as his P&R partner, that's truly the only way he's a positive contributor on the offensive end. He does that one thing (lob finishing) extremely well, but without someone to set him up for it, he's almost lost. Also, not getting easy dunks and transition buckets seems to bring out a lazy less motivated side of Clax defensively.

I know that's not a ringing endorsement of a player we're shopping, but that's the truth. I think he could be AWESOME again next to a lead guard like Cade, but I don't expect his trade value to reflect that.

Do you think Claxton would be a good option for LA? Isn't he too light to face the giants of the West? And a mediocre rebounder.. My favorite options for the LAKERS would be Zubac/M.Robinson

[Apz]

Robinson is not an option, way too injuryprone. And think claxton just got a too big deal to be worth the incentive and salary ballast. He is a 15m center making 27m.

Really dont know who lakers will go for tho, but it better be a great fit on his timeline. But atm im not sure they have to worry about that. Bigger issue is how they get luka to enjoy playing basketball in LA. I dont see lebron giving up the ballhandling duty like kyrie did to get them to mesh. And dont think he likes that pelinka colluded with nico to get him moved

[Kalamazoo317]

OP here confuses me ... it has Pistons sending out Second Round Picks and the Nets bringing in First Round Picks from the Pistons. If it's intended as firsts, this is deader than dead. Probably wouldn't do it either way, though (but I"m also in: I like this team, just let it ride for a bit mode).

[JB2]

Maybe I'm naive regarding Detroit's guys but how valuable are T Harris/Fontecchio/Sasser individually and then as a group?

[Snakebites]

Maybe I'm naive regarding Detroit's guys but how valuable are T Harris/Fontecchio/Sasser individually and then as a group?

They aren't.

[tmorgan]

Maybe I'm naive regarding Detroit's guys but how valuable are T Harris/Fontecchio/Sasser individually and then as a group?

Tobias has been generally solid, although probably not what you want from a 25 mil a year (easily highest on the team) vet.

Fontecchio has greatly disappointed this year after a very good partial season with the Pistons last year.

Sasser has been ok, but playing him as a PG since Ivey’s injury hasn’t been very good, thus getting Schroder at the TDL.

Both Tobias and Simone are on the first year of two year deals. Sasser has two more years on his rookie deal, with next year already picked up.

Fontecchio and Sasser are highly expendable. Both get some rotation minutes, but we have replacements on the roster. Tobias is our starting 4, and we need his minutes to function properly.

Tobias and Sasser are probably neutral contracts, perhaps slightly positive for Sasser for a team that values his skillset (poor man’s Cam Thomas, tho a somewhat more willing passer). Fontecchio is likely slightly negative, given his performance this year.

Future contract years:
Sasser — 2.9, 5.2 (TO)
Harris — 26.6
Fontecchio — 8.3

Hope that helps!

[Astaluego]

OP here confuses me ... it has Pistons sending out Second Round Picks and the Nets bringing in First Round Picks from the Pistons. If it's intended as firsts, this is deader than dead. Probably wouldn't do it either way, though (but I"m also in: I like this team, just let it ride for a bit mode).

if I was mistaken (edited) I had the Pistons sending 2 SRPs... from what I see, my assessment is wrong as well.. I wasn't aware that Duren has been improving recently (I assessed him as a worse player than Claxton currently is (albeit younger and with a similar ceiling) more suited for the Lakers who apparently want to have maximum cap space at 26..
I also saw a big improvement in Cam... younger, better defender and overall a better fit for Cade.. being a 6'7 wing who is an excellent shooter (+-41.5% from 3) compared to Tobias' 32%.. (especially valuable when you have a guard who benefits from spacing as much as Cade and complementing Holland/Thompson in )
I really thought this would make the Pistons better in the short term, without giving up any future picks

[tmorgan]

OP here confuses me ... it has Pistons sending out Second Round Picks and the Nets bringing in First Round Picks from the Pistons. If it's intended as firsts, this is deader than dead. Probably wouldn't do it either way, though (but I"m also in: I like this team, just let it ride for a bit mode).

if I was mistaken (edited) I had the Pistons sending 2 SRPs... from what I see, my assessment is wrong as well.. I wasn't aware that Duren has been improving recently (I assessed him as a worse player than Claxton currently is (albeit younger and with a similar ceiling) more suited for the Lakers who apparently want to have maximum cap space at 26..
I also saw a big improvement in Cam... younger, better defender and overall a better fit for Cade.. being a 6'7 wing who is an excellent shooter (+-41.5% from 3) compared to Tobias' 32%.. (especially valuable when you have a guard who benefits from spacing as much as Cade and complementing Holland/Thompson in )
I really thought this would make the Pistons better in the short term, without giving up any future picks

It’s not a bad proposal at all. It just requires the Pistons to move one of their promising youngsters, which causes hesitation.

Nothing but Duren means anything to Detroit, but he means a lot.

[Astaluego]

OP here confuses me ... it has Pistons sending out Second Round Picks and the Nets bringing in First Round Picks from the Pistons. If it's intended as firsts, this is deader than dead. Probably wouldn't do it either way, though (but I"m also in: I like this team, just let it ride for a bit mode).

if I was mistaken (edited) I had the Pistons sending 2 SRPs... from what I see, my assessment is wrong as well.. I wasn't aware that Duren has been improving recently (I assessed him as a worse player than Claxton currently is (albeit younger and with a similar ceiling) more suited for the Lakers who apparently want to have maximum cap space at 26..
I also saw a big improvement in Cam... younger, better defender and overall a better fit for Cade.. being a 6'7 wing who is an excellent shooter (+-41.5% from 3) compared to Tobias' 32%.. (especially valuable when you have a guard who benefits from spacing as much as Cade and complementing Holland/Thompson in )
I really thought this would make the Pistons better in the short term, without giving up any future picks

It’s not a bad proposal at all. It just requires the Pistons to move one of their promising youngsters, which causes hesitation.

Nothing but Duren means anything to Detroit, but he means a lot.

I saw the Detroit game..if this business is dead..Duren is a beast