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If the 76ers wanted to rebuild around Maxey after a disappointing season, could they even get anything for either Embiid or George?

Embiid is wild to me... best case you get an MVP-level center... worst case his career is essentially over. Would anyone take a chance on that?

Paul George has a high risk/reward too and is very expensive. Could Phoenix talk themselves into a Beal-based trade if they tried to remain competitive post-KD or something like that?

Is there any move to be made in Philly this off-season or just run it back and hope for better luck?

Joel absolutely does.

PG13 does not.

zimpy27 wrote:Joel absolutely does.

PG13 does not.

Could they even snag a pick from Phoenix in a PG13 for Beal swap?

What kind of value does Joel have you think?

NYG wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:Joel absolutely does.

PG13 does not.

Could they even snag a pick from Phoenix in a PG13 for Beal swap?

What kind of value does Joel have you think?

i think PG13 is worth less than Beal considering george's deal runs 1 year longer

NYG wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:Joel absolutely does.

PG13 does not.

Could they even snag a pick from Phoenix in a PG13 for Beal swap?

What kind of value does Joel have you think?

I think a Beal for PG13 offer is unlikely, objectively I think PG13 is worth less but both teams probably fit better with PG13 than Beal.

Joel should still have a bit of value, at his best he's MVP-level. Like Lakers would give what they gave for Mark at the very least.

I think a team like Raptors might give up IQ+Poeltl

PG damn near cooked. Unless he balls out the 2nd half the Sixers are pretty much stuck with him.

NYG wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:Joel absolutely does.

PG13 does not.

Could they even snag a pick from Phoenix in a PG13 for Beal swap?

What kind of value does Joel have you think?

No, PG is 3 years older than Beal and has one extra year on his deal.

Beal is also playing better than PG this year.

PG has officially earned the worst contract in the league label.

PG already had no trade value before this disaster of a contract. It's how he ended up in Philly to begin with. Even they only wanted him because they were able to sign him outright. They probably should have thought a little harder before throwing all that money at a guy on the wrong side of 30 who was unwanted not only by his then-current team but also by other better-run teams than the Sixers.

zimpy27 wrote:

NYG wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:Joel absolutely does.

PG13 does not.

Could they even snag a pick from Phoenix in a PG13 for Beal swap?

What kind of value does Joel have you think?

I think a Beal for PG13 offer is unlikely, objectively I think PG13 is worth less but both teams probably fit better with PG13 than Beal.

Joel should still have a bit of value, at his best he's MVP-level. Like Lakers would give what they gave for Mark at the very least.

I think a team like Raptors might give up IQ+Poeltl

I get that he has injury concerns, is 30, and makes a lot of money, but you'd be adding how many picks to that, 3?

MartinToVaught wrote:PG already had no trade value before this disaster of a contract. It's how he ended up in Philly to begin with. Even they only wanted him because they were able to sign him outright. They probably should have thought a little harder before throwing all that money at a guy on the wrong side of 30 who was unwanted not only by his then-current team but also by other better-run teams than the Sixers.

To be fair, GS also clearly wanted him (though I guess you could claim that is also poorly run). It was always expected that the last year or two of the contract would be bad, but the hope was that he'd be good enough on the early year(s) to at least somewhat justify it. Another injury seems to have caused him to step down in quality faster than hoped for.

I don't think either guy has positive value (meaning you have to attach assets to get rid of them). I think it's easier to get rid of PG because 1.His contract is shorter 2.At least he can play albeit not very effective. When Embiid eventually gets his surgery I imagine he'll be out at least 4-6 months and likely be on a heavy minutes restriction upon return. So realistically if you trade for Embiid now, he won't be useful until the 2027 season.

Which of them is likely to play 60+ games for the rest of their contract? That guy will be tradable .

If they are going sit out too much or be unavailable probably not.

giberish wrote:To be fair, GS also clearly wanted him (though I guess you could claim that is also poorly run).

They didn't want him badly enough to make a serious trade offer for him. They wanted to dump all their bad contracts on us and nothing else, which would have defeated the purpose of moving on from PG from the Clippers' perspective, and were unwilling to even include Kuminga. They gave up on the idea when the Clippers didn't pounce on their crap offer. It's hard to say their interest was serious when they didn't make more than a token effort.

I also distinctly recall the Rockets and Magic being linked to him going into the offseason. Houston didn't even make an offer, IIRC. The Magic immediately took themselves out of the market for him by throwing money at KCP the moment free agency opened.

Revealed preference around the league showed that PG had no value at all to anyone but the Sixers, and even they only took a chance because they wouldn't have to trade anything for him. Now he has negative value on that contract.

PG13 is the worst contract in the league.
I don't have Embiid as positive value and I don't agree that teams are going to take a chance on him, much less problematic health wise and 2 years younger KAT was traded for minimal value, Embiid is a massive gamble and no one will take that contract w/o incentive.

zimpy27 wrote:
I think a team like Raptors might give up IQ+Poeltl

I hope not. This gives me flashbacks of when we signed hakeem

I think the idea that you'd have to attach assets to Embiid to get rid of him is silly. We're talking about a guy who is a year removed from being the league MVP.

Like just to pull an example off the top of my head, the Lakers would for sure offer their pile of crappy expirings for Embiid

Embiid is an MVP level player when he plays. He doesn't play near enough. He has an added complication of no meaningful playoff success to show. Kawhi gives team that--a real belief that if we can get this guy to the playoffs he can win series for us. Embiid? Jury is out.

but he's so impactful, I can't imagine Philly couldn't get value for him.

PG? I don't see any positive value to be found there.

gswhoops wrote:I think the idea that you'd have to attach assets to Embiid to get rid of him is silly. We're talking about a guy who is a year removed from being the league MVP.

Like just to pull an example off the top of my head, the Lakers would for sure offer their pile of crappy expirings for Embiid

I dont know about that.. If lakers offer expirings only and philly actually accepted then its a major red flag and lakers will probably find something again on the physical to rescind the trade.

How do the Spurs get Embiid? Just pretend you're paying half of that contract to Wemby, he's already earning it

Wembiid front-line would be crazy

I can't imagine anybody is willing to sign up for 4 years & ~$250mil of Joel Embiid without him first proving he can stay on the floor. I also don't see anyone signing for 3 years, $163mil of Paul George. Philly is going to have to ride it our for at least another year or so with these guys on the books.