Challenge.. Bucks reorganization to retain GA

[Astaluego]

The Bucks have been impeccable with Giannis.. they have always tried to give him what he needs to be competitive, but they are reaching a point of no return.. 2 straight first round exits, aging stars, very limited assets and Giannis' "joking" comments about the Europeans in big markets, Charania's insinuations..
So in this context how can the Bucks rejuvenate and lengthen the contention window..?? In this context, what trades could the Bucks make using Lillard + future FRP (add whatever player or asset you see fit) to rejuvenate the team and give it a chance to remain contenders

[Astaluego]

Would Lillard make sense to return to Portland?? J.Grant/Thybulle/A.Simons/R.Williams for Lillard/Portis/Patt Connaughton..
Bucks get younger guys who should fit in well...

Blazers bring back their icon, get Grant's senior year off the books..without losing any of their future core

[ReggiesKnicks]

Would Lillard make sense to return to Portland?? J.Grant/Thybulle/A.Simons/R.Williams for Lillard/Portis/Patt Connaughton..
Bucks get younger guys who should fit in well...

Blazers bring back their icon, get Grant's senior year off the books..without losing any of their future core

So 3 negative value contracts (Grant, Thybulle, Williams) and the worst defender in the league in Simons?

That seems like a way to force Giannis out of Milwaukee. Did I misread the thread and it's about getting Giannis out ASAP?

[MessiahUjiri]

Would Lillard make sense to return to Portland?? J.Grant/Thybulle/A.Simons/R.Williams for Lillard/Portis/Patt Connaughton..
Bucks get younger guys who should fit in well...

Blazers bring back their icon, get Grant's senior year off the books..without losing any of their future core

So 3 negative value contracts (Grant, Thybulle, Williams) and the worst defender in the league in Simons?

That seems like a way to force Giannis out of Milwaukee. Did I misread the thread and it's about getting Giannis out ASAP?

It’s not a bad deal, when you think of the depth it provides.

The bucks won’t have any cap space, and they badly need depth. This provides that. Do the Blazers own any future Bucks picks? I would push for that, so that it returns some flexibility to Milwaukee for a future pivot.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Would Lillard make sense to return to Portland?? J.Grant/Thybulle/A.Simons/R.Williams for Lillard/Portis/Patt Connaughton..
Bucks get younger guys who should fit in well...

Blazers bring back their icon, get Grant's senior year off the books..without losing any of their future core

So 3 negative value contracts (Grant, Thybulle, Williams) and the worst defender in the league in Simons?

That seems like a way to force Giannis out of Milwaukee. Did I misread the thread and it's about getting Giannis out ASAP?

It’s not a bad deal, when you think of the depth it provides.

Hmm...Thybulle isn't a playable player in a playoff series. Milwaukee already has a POA wing defender who can't shoot on their roster for a fraction of the cost of Thybulle in Andre Jackson Jr.

We have already seen surrounding Giannis with poor shooters and the Wall won.

RWIII is good in theory but he misses 50% or more of the season. That isn't really depth that can be counted on.

Jerami Grant is a fine wing but Milwaukee has a cheaper version in Kuzma who has a better track-record as a role player on a title team.

This move does take away Milwaukee's best perimeter shot-creator and significantly downgrade from Lillard to Simons, who is leagues worse than Lillard.

This move also loses Bobby Portis, who is real depth who can play in a playoff series. This actually takes away Playoff Quality depth for Milwaukee, not adds depth.

The bucks won’t have any cap space, and they badly need depth. This provides that.

Aren't there a dozen other teams who would provide actual depth (see above retorting the idea this adds depth) for Lillard?

Do the Blazers own any future Bucks picks?

Why don't you look. Google "RealGM Picks Owed" and find Portland Trailblazers. Get back to me when you do.

I would push for that, so that it returns some flexibility to Milwaukee for a future pivot.

Push for something which may or may not exist.

[Astaluego]

So 3 negative value contracts (Grant, Thybulle, Williams) and the worst defender in the league in Simons?

That seems like a way to force Giannis out of Milwaukee. Did I misread the thread and it's about getting Giannis out ASAP?

It’s not a bad deal, when you think of the depth it provides.

Hmm...Thybulle isn't a playable player in a playoff series. Milwaukee already has a POA wing defender who can't shoot on their roster for a fraction of the cost of Thybulle in Andre Jackson Jr.

We have already seen surrounding Giannis with poor shooters and the Wall won.

RWIII is good in theory but he misses 50% or more of the season. That isn't really depth that can be counted on.

Jerami Grant is a fine wing but Milwaukee has a cheaper version in Kuzma who has a better track-record as a role player on a title team.

This move does take away Milwaukee's best perimeter shot-creator and significantly downgrade from Lillard to Simons, who is leagues worse than Lillard.

This move also loses Bobby Portis, who is real depth who can play in a playoff series. This actually takes away Playoff Quality depth for Milwaukee, not adds depth.

The bucks won’t have any cap space, and they badly need depth. This provides that.

Aren't there a dozen other teams who would provide actual depth (see above retorting the idea this adds depth) for Lillard?

Do the Blazers own any future Bucks picks?

Why don't you look. Google "RealGM Picks Owed" and find Portland Trailblazers. Get back to me when you do.

I would push for that, so that it returns some flexibility to Milwaukee for a future pivot.

Push for something which may or may not exist.

look where you said.. Simons is bad defensively, but Lillard is pretty terrible too.. .if they own 2 pick swaps from the Bucks.. How about undoing the pick swaps and Portis/Thybulle...does that close the gap at all?..

Could you find a better, more coherent offer for Lillar..?

[ReggiesKnicks]

It’s not a bad deal, when you think of the depth it provides.

Hmm...Thybulle isn't a playable player in a playoff series. Milwaukee already has a POA wing defender who can't shoot on their roster for a fraction of the cost of Thybulle in Andre Jackson Jr.

We have already seen surrounding Giannis with poor shooters and the Wall won.

RWIII is good in theory but he misses 50% or more of the season. That isn't really depth that can be counted on.

Jerami Grant is a fine wing but Milwaukee has a cheaper version in Kuzma who has a better track-record as a role player on a title team.

This move does take away Milwaukee's best perimeter shot-creator and significantly downgrade from Lillard to Simons, who is leagues worse than Lillard.

This move also loses Bobby Portis, who is real depth who can play in a playoff series. This actually takes away Playoff Quality depth for Milwaukee, not adds depth.

The bucks won’t have any cap space, and they badly need depth. This provides that.

Aren't there a dozen other teams who would provide actual depth (see above retorting the idea this adds depth) for Lillard?

Do the Blazers own any future Bucks picks?

Why don't you look. Google "RealGM Picks Owed" and find Portland Trailblazers. Get back to me when you do.

I would push for that, so that it returns some flexibility to Milwaukee for a future pivot.

Push for something which may or may not exist.

look where you said.. Simons is bad defensively, but Lillard is pretty terrible too.. .if they own 2 pick swaps from the Bucks.. How about undoing the pick swaps and Portis/Thybulle...does that close the gap at all?..

Could you find a better, more coherent offer for Lillar..?

I'll look. Well, I did look when I was replying and it was difficult to find a great fit. Something with KD (that doesn't extend the window) and while Julius Randle is a poor fit (meaning a 4-way deal), something like the following:

KD to Minnesota
Player A (From Team 4) + DDV + Allen + filler to Milwaukee
Randle to Team 4
Lillard to Phoenix

I know you love these complicated iterations

[The Beam King]

I can't help myself knowing Vivek still owns the Kings. But this actually makes sense, has similar money contracts and balances the Rosters of both teams.

What about a Kuzma for DeRozan straight swap. Bucks get a Middleton replacement that's cheaper kings get their other guy. I can't help but chuckle at this possibility actually happening. Lol

Lavine, Monk, Kuzma. Lol

[jayjaysee]

I don’t think Portland and Dame are really interested in a reunion honestly. It didn’t end well?

No idea what his value would be. But Miami could make an offer and try to keep Herro, Wiggins, Bam, Ware out of it.

Sacramento could probably make a decent offer

[The Beam King]

I don’t think Portland and Dame are really interested in a reunion honestly. It didn’t end well?

No idea what his value would be. But Miami could make an offer and try to keep Herro, Wiggins, Bam, Ware out of it.

Sacramento could probably make a decent offer

I think the Kings offer would have to revolver around LaVine for salary purposes. From there, what makes the deal? Picks?

[JRoy]

Would Lillard make sense to return to Portland?? J.Grant/Thybulle/A.Simons/R.Williams for Lillard/Portis/Patt Connaughton..
Bucks get younger guys who should fit in well...

Blazers bring back their icon, get Grant's senior year off the books..without losing any of their future core

So 3 negative value contracts (Grant, Thybulle, Williams) and the worst defender in the league in Simons?

That seems like a way to force Giannis out of Milwaukee. Did I misread the thread and it's about getting Giannis out ASAP?

It’s not a bad deal, when you think of the depth it provides.

The bucks won’t have any cap space, and they badly need depth. This provides that. Do the Blazers own any future Bucks picks? I would push for that, so that it returns some flexibility to Milwaukee for a future pivot.

No reason for POR to consider that.

[jayjaysee]

I don’t think Portland and Dame are really interested in a reunion honestly. It didn’t end well?

No idea what his value would be. But Miami could make an offer and try to keep Herro, Wiggins, Bam, Ware out of it.

Sacramento could probably make a decent offer

I think the Kings offer would have to revolver around LaVine for salary purposes. From there, what makes the deal? Picks?

Yeah, I’m still on the side that Dame’s talent makes him a nice asset. So think Sac would have to pay. And they’d get better for the next year or two. And they need to be trying to get better.

So to me, it’s an interesting base. Milwaukee might keep Zach. Or might trade him and the asset(s) Sac includes for a different piece. Or might keep Zac and trade Connaughton and Sac’s asset(s) for a different piece.

Really, I think you keep Dame in Milwaukee though. You’re not getting a better teammate for Giannis than him. So just keep him. Use assets to upgrade Kuz or find a future center, etc. deal with replacing Dame when he’s no longer Dame..

[slos]

Part of the reason Bucks haven’t gone through the first round the past two seasons is that Giannis himself was injured. Let’s see what happens if he is available when it matters.

Dame has got a lot of criticism, but he hasn’t failed to his reputation as an awesome closer. And this is something Bucks have badly needed in Giannis’ era. Just give them a chance.

Moving forward Bucks have already shown their willingness to surround Giannis/Dame with a more athletic team. Replacing Midds with Kuzma while adding KPJ and Sims have been nice steps.

Just keep it in the same direction. Bucks don’t need a third banana. Just keep collecting young(ish) guys that can run the floor and play some D.

Looking into offseason NAW is a guy I’m willing to soend the full MLE if that’s what it takes to get him out of Minny. Bring back everyone else and you are good to go.

Dame/KPJ/Rollins
NAW/Green/#45
Kuzma/GTJ/Connaughton
Giannis/Jackson/Livingston
Brook/Bobby/Smith

I’m good with that. If that’s not good enough. I’m looking at the possibility of promoting Doc for some other coach before trading Dame.