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PHI GETS: Zach LaVine & DeMar DeRozan
PHI GIVES: Paul George & Lonnie Walker
WHY FOR PHI? The 76ers break up George’s contract into smaller & shorter contracts. It also removes them from being heavily reliant on two injury prone star players which can impact their regular season record (as we have all seen). Instead they swap in a couple impact players to keep their team in the mix even if Embiid is out with an injury. If the Sixers can sign a solid forward with an exception in the offseason, I could even see them moving DeRozan into a super 6th man role.

PG - Maxey / McCain / Butler
SG - LaVine / Gordon
SF - Oubre / Edwards / Council
PF - DeRozan
C - Embiid / Drummond / Bona

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SAC Gets: Paul George & Lonnie Walker
SAC Gives: Zach LaVine & DeMar DeRozan
Why for SAC? The Kings take on the worser contract, but on paper, George’s fit with the roster is much better as he gives the Kings some much needed size, length, and defense on the wing while at the same time being able to space the floor, score and make plays for others. The trade also frees up Ellis to start & close games at SG (which will be great for their defense).

PG - Monk / Carter
SG - Ellis / Walker
SF - George
PF - Murray
C - Sabonis / Valanciunas

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I'd like to see a 1st also going to Sacramento here.

ReggiesKnicks wrote:I'd like to see a 1st also going to Sacramento here.

At least.

That is a lot of bad money.

This is illegal for philly. Way too much incoming salary and they are well above 1st apron after this trade

ReggiesKnicks wrote:I'd like to see a 1st also going to Sacramento here.

JRoy wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:I'd like to see a 1st also going to Sacramento here.

At least.

That is a lot of bad money.

If I’m reading Philly’s pick situation correctly, it looks like their 2029 1st is the first one they can legally trade.

Godaddycurse wrote:This is illegal for philly. Way too much incoming salary and they are well above 1st apron after this trade

Yeah Philly would need to add approx. another $20M to make this deal legal, which they don't really have unless they turn this into a 5-for-2 type deal.

I'm not sure I'd do it if I were Philly anyway.

Absolutely not.

Kings suck and need to rebuild, I mean we should really tear it all down.

DeRozan can hopefully fetch a bit of value this off-season to a contender, he still has it and would be an insane 6th man for a lot of teams. Not expecting the world but expirings + 2nds or a late 1st I don't think is crazy.

LaVine is an awful player, but he has two years left, George has three. I'll ride it out and let LaVine get some exciting dunks as the tank commander.

Godaddycurse wrote:This is illegal for philly. Way too much incoming salary and they are well above 1st apron after this trade

Is it?

Spotrac shows their active roster will be making $177.3 mil next year and that the 1st apron will be set to $195.9 mil. This trade adds $13.32 mil to their payroll bringing their active roster up to $190.62 mil.

I’m sure I’m missing something if you’re saying it’s illegal, but can you help me better understand the issue?

bpcox05 wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:This is illegal for philly. Way too much incoming salary and they are well above 1st apron after this trade

Is it?

Spotrac shows their active roster will be making $177.3 mil next year and that the 1st apron will be set to $195.9 mil. This trade adds $13.32 mil to their payroll bringing their active roster up to $190.62 mil.

I’m sure I’m missing something if you’re saying it’s illegal, but can you help me better understand the issue?

Incoming 72M between lavine and Derozan
Outgoing 54M between George and Walker

have to leave room for a potential FRP and roster hold up to 14 man

Godaddycurse wrote:

bpcox05 wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:This is illegal for philly. Way too much incoming salary and they are well above 1st apron after this trade

Is it?

Spotrac shows their active roster will be making $177.3 mil next year and that the 1st apron will be set to $195.9 mil. This trade adds $13.32 mil to their payroll bringing their active roster up to $190.62 mil.

I’m sure I’m missing something if you’re saying it’s illegal, but can you help me better understand the issue?

Incoming 72M between lavine and Derozan
Outgoing 54M between George and Walker

have to leave room for a potential FRP and roster hold up to 14 man

Ah I pulled the 2024-25 salaries for LaVine and DeRozan by mistake.

If I’m calculating it correctly, you’d have to 1) add one of Drummond, McCain, or Gordon or 2) add two of Butler, Council, Bona, or Edwards to make the deal legal. Is that right?

But agree there might be complications with the 1st round draft pick cap hold and filling out the roster. Probably makes this DOA unless it’s changed to…

Zach LaVine
DeMar DeRozan

For

Paul George
Kelly Oubre
Andre Drummond

That probably gives them enough space for their 1st and to fill out the rest of the roster but that also assumes both Oubre and Drummond are opting in. But I guess if they opt out, that cap is freed up anyway and allows them to make a deal similar to the first iteration.

bpcox05 wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:

bpcox05 wrote:Is it?

Spotrac shows their active roster will be making $177.3 mil next year and that the 1st apron will be set to $195.9 mil. This trade adds $13.32 mil to their payroll bringing their active roster up to $190.62 mil.

I’m sure I’m missing something if you’re saying it’s illegal, but can you help me better understand the issue?

Incoming 72M between lavine and Derozan
Outgoing 54M between George and Walker

have to leave room for a potential FRP and roster hold up to 14 man

Ah I pulled the 2024-25 salaries for LaVine and DeRozan by mistake.

If I’m calculating it correctly, you’d have to 1) add one of Drummond, McCain, or Gordon or 2) add two of Butler, Council, Bona, or Edwards to make the deal legal. Is that right?

no if they keep their first round pick then they would be over the hard cap after this trade

Godaddycurse wrote:

bpcox05 wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:
Incoming 72M between lavine and Derozan
Outgoing 54M between George and Walker

have to leave room for a potential FRP and roster hold up to 14 man

Ah I pulled the 2024-25 salaries for LaVine and DeRozan by mistake.

If I’m calculating it correctly, you’d have to 1) add one of Drummond, McCain, or Gordon or 2) add two of Butler, Council, Bona, or Edwards to make the deal legal. Is that right?

no if they keep their first round pick then they would be over the hard cap after this trade

Agree there might be complications with the 1st round draft pick cap hold and filling out the roster. Probably makes this DOA unless it’s changed to…

Zach LaVine
DeMar DeRozan

For

Paul George
Kelly Oubre
Andre Drummond

That probably gives them enough space for their 1st and to fill out the rest of the roster but that also assumes both Oubre and Drummond are opting in. But I guess if they opt out, that cap is freed up anyway and allows them to make a deal similar to the first iteration.

ReggiesKnicks wrote:I'd like to see a 1st also going to Sacramento here.

Two firsts. One unprotected.

Otherwise this is an easy hard no.

I was thinking of just a Lavine for PG trade TBH. I actually thought the 6ers owed a first by taking that extra salary.

OxAndFox wrote:I was thinking of just a Lavine for PG trade TBH. I actually thought the 6ers owed a first by taking that extra salary.

If PHI would prefer the extra cap savings (which maybe allows them to use a full MLE), maybe it makes more sense to leave DeRozan out of it?

Then they add in their 1st this year (if it stays top 6) and McCain coming back from injury, and they may be able to capitalize next year (assuming Embiid is healthy).

For the Kings, we’d still start Monk, Ellis, George, Murray, & Sabonis but having DeRozan come off the bench as our 6th man would be nice.

I haven't liked a lot of your trades, but this is literally the worst ever posted

Zach has been scoring at Curry level efficiencies coming into his prime

deRozan is a tale of underrated salary to George who no one wants

George is just old and no longer producing

^^^ seems like there is a combo of issues now

You’ve liked mid 30s players when the majority of Kings fans would like someone with an actual career arc, but at least before it was players like KD/Butler or someone still actually producing

Now with mentioning Dejiunte Murray and now PG you need a proper account of who is actually producing in the here and now

This just combines the age with not noting drop off in play for the new season

BoogieTime wrote:I haven't liked a lot of your trades, but this is literally the worst ever posted

Zach has been scoring at Curry level efficiencies coming into his prime

deRozan is a tale of underrated salary to George who no one wants

George is just old and no longer producing

Yet LaVine isn’t impactful as Curry. Why do you think that is? It’s almost like there is more to winning than just putting the ball through the hoop. I would like to think we can have an honest conversation on a players impact without being hyperbolic.

I agree with the other posters that incentive would need to be added on Philly’s end to make the trade feasible for the Kings, and I like the other iteration of keeping DeRozan in SAC and just sending out LaVine for George (as that gives PHI some more space to work with under the 1st apron).

One thing is glaringly obvious though. We’re not going anywhere when our starting PG, SG, and SF are all below average defenders. Especially when your C is not a defensive presence/anchor to erase defensive mistakes. We’re terribly unbalanced as a team and although George doesn’t appear to be the same level of scorer he was, he’s still a very impactful defender with great size & length. There’s no question in my mind that a lineup of Monk, Ellis, George, Murray, and Sabonis would be more impactful than Monk, LaVine, DeRozan, Murray, & Sabonis. And we’d still have DeRozan as our super 6th man who could also start for George if he’s out with an injury (as well as adding another pick to our “war chest”).

bpcox05 wrote:

BoogieTime wrote:I haven't liked a lot of your trades, but this is literally the worst ever posted

Zach has been scoring at Curry level efficiencies coming into his prime

deRozan is a tale of underrated salary to George who no one wants

George is just old and no longer producing

Yet LaVine isn’t impactful as Curry. Why do you think that is? It’s almost like there is more to winning than just putting the ball through the hoop. I would like to think we can have an honest conversation on a players impact without being hyperbolic.

I agree with the other posters that incentive would need to be added on Philly’s end to make the trade feasible for the Kings, and I like the other iteration of keeping DeRozan in SAC and just sending out LaVine for George (as that gives PHI some more space to work with under the 1st apron).

One thing is glaringly obvious though. We’re not going anywhere when our starting PG, SG, and SF are all below average defenders. Especially when your C is not a defensive presence/anchor to erase defensive mistakes. We’re terribly unbalanced as a team and although George doesn’t appear to be the same level of scorer he was, he’s still a very impactful defender with great size & length. There’s no question in my mind that a lineup of Monk, Ellis, George, Murray, and Sabonis would be more impactful than Monk, LaVine, DeRozan, Murray, & Sabonis. And we’d still have DeRozan as our super 6th man who could also start for George if he’s out with an injury (as well as adding another pick to our “war chest”).

LaVine will play SF

He played SF/PF most of this year in chi

Allowing Keon to start

Demar will be 6th man

And the Kings targeted Zach because he’s good

It's a lateral move for the Kings ... So in other words yes it's a move they'd probably love to make! Adding another "name player that can theoretically score" has been their MO the past 6 months.

Value it's Ok. But Kings HAVE to add some defensive athleticism (or just rebuild) & at this stage, George isn't that.