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2023 list
Special re-do

1. Bradley Beal (2 years, 103.8 million + 57.1 million 3rd year player option - no trade clause)

Please vote for the lowest trade value of this list including play, salary, age, health, character, etc., not "who deserves it the least"

In addition, please nominate a new player to replace them on the list.



Paul George (3 years, 155 million + 56.6 million 4th year player option)



Joel Embiid (4 years, 227.2 million + 67.3 million 5th year player option)





Patrick Williams (4 years, 72 million + 18 million 5th year player option)



Jerami Grant (3 years, 96 million + 36.4 million 4th year player option)





Kawhi Leonard (3 years, 149.5 million)



Jordan Poole (3 years, 95.5 million)



DeJounte Murray (3 years, 94.7 million + 31.6 million 4th year player option)



Deandre Ayton (2 years, 69.6 million)





Immanuel Quickley (5 years, 162.5 million)



Jalen Green (1 year, 12.4 million rookie contract + 2 years, 69.3 million extension + 36 million 4th year player option)

V: Paul George (you can go ahead and write this one in pen)

N: Brandon Ingram

Vote George

While he could bounce back next year the issue is he's at the point of his career where it makes sense he declines and never comes back. Too big of a risk.

Nominate Barrett

Vote: Jerami Grant
Nominate: Jaylen Brown

PG13
N: It's really hard to find candidates, not a lot of terrible contracts around the league, CJ McCollum, will be expiring, but overpaid for his production, Barret fits, but I'll go with McCollum

V PG13
N Derozan (Barrett is much younger and outplaying Derozan on the court this year)

Godaddycurse wrote:V PG13
N Derozan (Barrett is much younger and outplaying Derozan on the court this year)

Is he?

Demar is more efficient, has incredible turnover economy (6% TOV is better than Peak MJ, for example), playing meaningful and impactful minutes on a playoff-caliber team.

RJ is shouldering a larger offensive load on a bad team and not really anchoring anything and his per-possession numbers are bad.

I'd question if RJ can scale into a role Demar is doing, which is more meaningful and important for winning basketball.

RJ is definitely younger, I won't disagree there

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:V PG13
N Derozan (Barrett is much younger and outplaying Derozan on the court this year)

Is he?

Demar is more efficient, has incredible turnover economy (6% TOV is better than Peak MJ, for example), playing meaningful and impactful minutes on a playoff-caliber team.

RJ is shouldering a larger offensive load on a bad team and not really anchoring anything and his per-possession numbers are bad.

I'd question if RJ can scale into a role Demar is doing, which is more meaningful and important for winning basketball.

I think neither Derozan or Barretts offensive game really translate well into playoffs. Barretts defense has gotten better lately and he is less of a liability on that end vs derozan. Factoring future regression from derozan due to age the edge goes to barrett

Vote: Poole
Nominate: Siakam

V: Paul George
N: Jimmy Butler

Derozan is a solid mention, I forgot he has 2 years left after this.

Godaddycurse wrote:N Derozan (Barrett is much younger and outplaying Derozan on the court this year)

Thought you agreed with me when this trade got presented a week or so ago that DD was still the better player? Did I imagine this?

Oh and he's definitely the better player. Even if you don't agree.

Texas Chuck wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:N Derozan (Barrett is much younger and outplaying Derozan on the court this year)

Thought you agreed with me when this trade got presented a week or so ago that DD was still the better player? Did I imagine this?

Oh and he's definitely the better player. Even if you don't agree.

Pretty sure we were talking about Vucevic vs Barrett, not Derozan vs Barrett.

Godaddycurse wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:N Derozan (Barrett is much younger and outplaying Derozan on the court this year)

Thought you agreed with me when this trade got presented a week or so ago that DD was still the better player? Did I imagine this?

Oh and he's definitely the better player. Even if you don't agree.

Pretty sure we were talking about Vucevic vs Barrett, not Derozan vs Barrett.

I knew it was something.

I still think DD is better too though. But I place almost no value on players whose game says 1st option but talent says 3rd option but they lack the complementary game to be effective as a 3rd option. These are just ceiling cappers. DD is no longer a 1st option either, but the things he does are definitely more complementary plus you get all the intangibles with him.

Texas Chuck wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:
Thought you agreed with me when this trade got presented a week or so ago that DD was still the better player? Did I imagine this?

Oh and he's definitely the better player. Even if you don't agree.

Pretty sure we were talking about Vucevic vs Barrett, not Derozan vs Barrett.

I knew it was something.

I still think DD is better too though. But I place almost no value on players whose game says 1st option but talent says 3rd option but they lack the complementary game to be effective as a 3rd option. These are just ceiling cappers. DD is no longer a 1st option either, but the things he does are definitely more complementary plus you get all the intangibles with him.

I can see the argument DD is better than RJ this year, although certain stats like EPM favor RJ. I do think RJ's game translates better to be an effective 3rd option though moving forward; he's doing more C&S 3s and slashing/taking shots in the paint. His game changed in Toronto and if his FT% returns to career norm his efficiency would look a lot better.

165bows wrote:Vote: Poole
Nominate: Siakam

Siakam (2021-2025): 2.7 BPM, 28.7 WS (.141 WS/48), 21 AST%, 9.6 TOV%, 69.6 TS+, +6.7 On/Off
4/189

Brown (2021-2025): 1.4 BPM, 25.6 WS (.115 WS/48), 17.7 AST%, 11.3 TOV%, 13.4 TS+, -2.0 On/Off
5/285

Make it make sense

You are trolling at this point.

Texas Chuck wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:
Thought you agreed with me when this trade got presented a week or so ago that DD was still the better player? Did I imagine this?

Oh and he's definitely the better player. Even if you don't agree.

Pretty sure we were talking about Vucevic vs Barrett, not Derozan vs Barrett.

I knew it was something.

I still think DD is better too though. But I place almost no value on players whose game says 1st option but talent says 3rd option but they lack the complementary game to be effective as a 3rd option. These are just ceiling cappers. DD is no longer a 1st option either, but the things he does are definitely more complementary plus you get all the intangibles with him.

There's a reason "inefficient volume scorer who does nothing else at an NBA level" is such a common archetype in these discussions.

gswhoops wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:
Pretty sure we were talking about Vucevic vs Barrett, not Derozan vs Barrett.

I knew it was something.

I still think DD is better too though. But I place almost no value on players whose game says 1st option but talent says 3rd option but they lack the complementary game to be effective as a 3rd option. These are just ceiling cappers. DD is no longer a 1st option either, but the things he does are definitely more complementary plus you get all the intangibles with him.

There's a reason "inefficient volume scorer who does nothing else at an NBA level" is such a common archetype in these discussions.

RJ is a worse scorer and has a worse turnover economy

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

165bows wrote:Vote: Poole
Nominate: Siakam

Siakam (2021-2025): 2.7 BPM, 28.7 WS (.141 WS/48), 21 AST%, 9.6 TOV%, 69.6 TS+, +6.7 On/Off
4/189

Brown (2021-2025): 1.4 BPM, 25.6 WS (.115 WS/48), 17.7 AST%, 11.3 TOV%, 13.4 TS+, -2.0 On/Off
5/285

Make it make sense

You are trolling at this point.

Well yes the laughing emoji indicates humor obviously but things are funny since they have truth to them, zero people talk about trading Brown for Siakam anymore like they used to, even on the Boston board.

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

gswhoops wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:
I knew it was something.

I still think DD is better too though. But I place almost no value on players whose game says 1st option but talent says 3rd option but they lack the complementary game to be effective as a 3rd option. These are just ceiling cappers. DD is no longer a 1st option either, but the things he does are definitely more complementary plus you get all the intangibles with him.

There's a reason "inefficient volume scorer who does nothing else at an NBA level" is such a common archetype in these discussions.

RJ is a worse scorer and has a worse turnover economy

I think both TC and I are saying here that DD > RJ