Hauser to MIL w/ BKN

[djFan71]

Spitballing off the proposed MIL package for Timelord but upping the pick:

BKN: 27 MIL FRP (lotto), Connaughton, Smith, future 2nd from BOS tbd.
MIL: Hauser
BOS: 25 MIL FRP (via BKN). No/minimal salary.

BKN: punts one of their many 2025 firsts into the future. Gets a young player, eats or flips Connaughton $.

MIL: gets one of the best shooters in the game.

BOS: doesn't want to, but saves $12M in salary and some insane multiplier in taxes.
They'd probably do a secondary deal to turn their own 25 pick (28) into 2 future 2nds or something.
It's a nice symmetry (and better pick for BOS) to get the MIL one back in the deal, but I could handle the better of the NYK/HOU ones as well.


Does Hauser have that value? Does BOS need to add a future 2nd to BKN to take back no/minimal salary here? Hauser's a great value even on his extension, but if it comes to saving money but without a full blowup, he could be an option to go.


Edit: I added the 2nd from BOS to bkn to help pay for the salary.

[ReggiesKnicks]

I don't have Hauser worth a 1st.

[Scoot McGroot]

I don't have Hauser worth a 1st.

Agreed. Especially not when he’s entering a fully guaranteed 4/45 deal this summer. I think some teams might view him as useful filler? Other teams might view him as worth giving up an expiring contract. But I don’t know many that would view him as worth giving up a 1st, let alone adding in a guy they just drafted 33rd overall last year?

[165bows]

Easily worth a non-lotto first. Elite shooter and competent wing defender is one of the most sought after archetypes in the league.

For comps see DeAnthony Melton and Kevin Huerter both traded for firsts and they aren't even close to the shooter (edit, or defender, really) as Hauser is.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Easily worth a non-lotto first. Elite shooter and competent wing defender is one of the most sought after archetypes in the league.

For comps see DeAnthony Melton and Kevin Huerter both traded for firsts and they aren't even close to the shooter Hauser is.

Huerter was quite close to Hauser as a shooter though, especially comparing the year before being traded.

Huerter also had shot creation as a major advantage over Hauser (3 Assists to 1 Assists is huge).

I actually like Huerter going to Phoenix in a 3-way deal where they send the better player in Allen to a third team who wants a more dynamic guard than Hauser and the late 1st goes to Boston.

I just think players like Hauser are fairly replaceable (low-usage shooting guards who have no playmaking).

[djFan71]

I don't have Hauser worth a 1st.

Agreed. Especially not when he’s entering a fully guaranteed 4/45 deal this summer. I think some teams might view him as useful filler? Other teams might view him as worth giving up an expiring contract. But I don’t know many that would view him as worth giving up a 1st, let alone adding in a guy they just drafted 33rd overall last year?

Smith can be swapped for any filler, imo. I was just going off the Timelord thread idea. I was a little surprised to see him in that one, tbh. But nobody really balked, so I threw the same package here.

I have Hauser worth more than Williams, due to injury concerns. Hauser would feast playing off Dame and Giannis, imo, and really open things up for them as well. It's a Brad Stevens' type move for MIL - get a sure contributor for your contending years for a future pick most likely in the 20s. Sam's new deal is less than the full MLE.

But, I can also see the "save your firsts for a more impactful move" side of it.

[TheNetsFan]

Why does Brooklyn trade their 2nd best pick in '25 for a pick that could be worse or not convey at all in '27 for the right to eat salary?

[Djh7475]

Celtics would need one of Walsh/Baylor to show something before they’d consider moving Hauser. He’s the perfect super low usage 3 and D wing for the Celtics roster. I think we’re going to look to move Jrue for far more savings this offseason if we go the penny-pinching route. JB playing more at the 2 and Pritchard/Hauser increasing their minutes can pick up a lot of the slack there.

[Texas Chuck]

I mean if Boston is asking Brooklyn to eat the salary and give Boston the pick they'd prefer, sure feels like Boston needs to give Brooklyn more.

Also, Bucks have been picking up min shooters to good effect, not sure they want to both take on that contract and give up an asset for an archetype you can get cheaper. Hauser holds up defensively surrounded by good to great defenders all around him. I wouldn't say he can do that everywhere else.

[djFan71]

Hauser holds up defensively surrounded by good to great defenders all around him. I wouldn't say he can do that everywhere else.

Yeah, this is valid. I think offensively with Giannis/Dame you're fine with Hauser and he's better than a generishooter. He's solid defensively - when guys see white dude and try to isolate it doesn't tend to work. But, as you say he's got a lot of support currently.

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I've thought of it with it being a swap (28 for 20) instead of a future 2nd. But that doesn't really solve anything for BKN's overstock of picks this year (though they could still trade out). If a couple future 2nds instead of just 1 closes the gap enough, great.

If not, stick a fork in it.

[Scoot McGroot]

Easily worth a non-lotto first. Elite shooter and competent wing defender is one of the most sought after archetypes in the league.

For comps see DeAnthony Melton and Kevin Huerter both traded for firsts and they aren't even close to the shooter (edit, or defender, really) as Hauser is.

Melton is clearly the best defender of all the guys listed at the time of their trades you are hoping to cite. By far. Like, he was a nearly all defense player for a bit there.

Hauser is the best 3 point shooter, though. But also, in hindsight, none of those teams should have dealt a first for those players, so it reinforces why Hauser shouldn’t return a first yet, either.

[Godaddycurse]

why does Milwaukee have a 2027 1st to trade to begin with? its owed to pelicans or hawks. Does OP mean 2031?

[brackdan70]

I think Hauser could be worth a first if they are taking back near equal salary. In this situation though where they are not taking salary I don’t see it. I think give Boston a decent second or two, but a first is too steep.

[djFan71]

why does Milwaukee have a 2027 1st to trade to begin with? its owed to pelicans or hawks. Does OP mean 2031?

OP read fanspo wrong is why, lol. I thought it was just NOP swap rights, missed the ATL part.

[djFan71]

Easily worth a non-lotto first. Elite shooter and competent wing defender is one of the most sought after archetypes in the league.

For comps see DeAnthony Melton and Kevin Huerter both traded for firsts and they aren't even close to the shooter (edit, or defender, really) as Hauser is.

Melton is clearly the best defender of all the guys listed at the time of their trades you are hoping to cite. By far. Like, he was a nearly all defense player for a bit there.

Hauser is the best 3 point shooter, though. But also, in hindsight, none of those teams should have dealt a first for those players, so it reinforces why Hauser shouldn’t return a first yet, either.

Melton was working out great for GSW until the injury.
Heurter was good the first year in SAC and helped light some beams, iirc.

But, all definitely borderline FRPs and decent comps. It depends on the pick / team situation. It's a choice of solid rotation guy to provide elite spacing and at least average D while Dame & Giannis are the youngest they'll ever be vs a 20s pick that could be a Bane or Beauchamp tossup in a few years (with the odds slanted towards the Marjons).

I can see MIL having other priorities, or BKN wanting more to take salary and that's valid.

[hugepatsfan]

While I think there are certain deals that Hauser could conceivably net BOS a 1st, one in which they totally clear their books of the contract isn't one of those deals.

[165bows]

Easily worth a non-lotto first. Elite shooter and competent wing defender is one of the most sought after archetypes in the league.

For comps see DeAnthony Melton and Kevin Huerter both traded for firsts and they aren't even close to the shooter (edit, or defender, really) as Hauser is.

Melton is clearly the best defender of all the guys listed at the time of their trades you are hoping to cite. By far. Like, he was a nearly all defense player for a bit there.

Hauser is the best 3 point shooter, though. But also, in hindsight, none of those teams should have dealt a first for those players, so it reinforces why Hauser shouldn’t return a first yet, either.

“Hoping” to cite? Why are you so weirdly passive aggressive about this take?

Melton’s a 6’2” SG who got one vote one year for all defense, and is a really limited guy based on his size. Hauser’s not only an elite +/- guy he’s an extremely versatile guy on D at 6’8” who can guard both twos and threes.

Huerter as mentioned above was part of the vaunted “best offense ever” before his shooting also disappeared, and was on a much more expensive contract.

You’ve missed the real reason Hauser might not be worth a first, his early season back injury and he’s been wearing a giant fat back brace on the bench even lately.

But this “he’s worth this not that” schtick like you have some cheat book to consult is rich based on your history of arguing Celtics players value with me.

[Scoot McGroot]

Easily worth a non-lotto first. Elite shooter and competent wing defender is one of the most sought after archetypes in the league.

For comps see DeAnthony Melton and Kevin Huerter both traded for firsts and they aren't even close to the shooter (edit, or defender, really) as Hauser is.

Melton is clearly the best defender of all the guys listed at the time of their trades you are hoping to cite. By far. Like, he was a nearly all defense player for a bit there.

Hauser is the best 3 point shooter, though. But also, in hindsight, none of those teams should have dealt a first for those players, so it reinforces why Hauser shouldn’t return a first yet, either.

“Hoping” to cite? Why are you so weirdly passive aggressive about this take?

….friend, why do you think anything is aggressive there? Nothing was, is, or will be between us, at least from my end.

Melton’s a 6’2” SG who got one vote one year for all defense, and is a really limited guy based on his size. Hauser’s not only an elite +/- guy he’s an extremely versatile guy on D at 6’8” who can guard both twos and threes.

Huerter as mentioned above was part of the vaunted “best offense ever” before his shooting also disappeared, and was on a much more expensive contract.

You’ve missed the real reason Hauser might not be worth a first, his early season back injury and he’s been wearing a giant fat back brace on the bench even lately.

But this “he’s worth this not that” schtick like you have some cheat book to consult is rich based on your history of arguing Celtics players value with me.

Oh, if you don’t want to discuss anything and just want to be reinforced in Celtics superiority type stuff, the Boston forum is right over there.

But, since you cited Melton, Huerter, etc. do you think those teams, in hindsight, should have paid a first for those guys? Did they prove to be worth that value?

[cl2117]

While I think there are certain deals that Hauser could conceivably net BOS a 1st, one in which they totally clear their books of the contract isn't one of those deals.

Yeah I think Hauser is worthy of a first in the 20's on his own, but if on top of that you're expecting another team to eat bad salary that pushes it out to late 20's/early 2nd depending on the salary.

I'm surprised that on his own people don't see him as worth a late first. Elite 3 / moderate D, locked in on a deal that's around 6% of the cap. I guess there isn't really upside beyond what he is right now, but these are also his prime years so I think the floor is really high. I wouldn't expect anything with lottery uspide but if he weren't on the C's I'd give up our first without question if we could acquire him. That's obviously late 20's but I'd think there is room between there and the late teens where a team needing to surround their stars would see value in him at that price.

I'm really hoping he's not a cap casualty for us. Fits really nicely next to ball dominant stars.

[165bows]

I mean if Boston is asking Brooklyn to eat the salary and give Boston the pick they'd prefer, sure feels like Boston needs to give Brooklyn more.

Also, Bucks have been picking up min shooters to good effect, not sure they want to both take on that contract and give up an asset for an archetype you can get cheaper. Hauser holds up defensively surrounded by good to great defenders all around him. I wouldn't say he can do that everywhere else.

It’s just a bad take on his D. Common knowledge they leave him on an island as a matter of scheme and he holds up fine, and teams shoot themselves in the foot often thinking they can take advantage of him.

Big issue as mentioned above is his health, he’s struggled with a back issue all year.