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In a vacuum so take specific team fit out of it, assuming the matching salary is useless expiring contracts... what 2025 1st is KD currently worth?

NYG wrote:In a vacuum so take specific team fit out of it, assuming the matching salary is useless expiring contracts... what 2025 1st is KD currently worth?

How do we approach this exercise?

Charlotte would obviously trade pick #22 and matching salary for KD but they wouldn't trade a Top 5 pick for KD.

Meanwhile, if someone like Philly lands #5 or #6 they would easily trade useless expiring and #5 or #6.

If OKC lands #7 or #8 they may trade expiring plus the pick for KD to push them over the top.

However, Chicago landing #7 or #8 isn't trading for KD.

I guess I find it hard to view this in a vacuum since no trade in NBA history has happened in a vacuum thus trade value isn't actually in a vacuum (Not all 30 teams would value KD at the same value).

I think teams who are contenders wouldn't offer #1-#3 for KD, which means I choose Pick #4-8? But certain teams who are in the playoff hunt may still pass on trading #4 for him...

I will give you Jalen Green, Jock Landale and the 2025 Phoenix pick provided it doesn't jump top 4.

That would be my only offer for Kevin Durant. You might be able to haggle 2 additional 2nd round picks, but unlikely.

LarsV8 wrote:I will give you Jalen Green, Jock Landale and the 2025 Phoenix pick provided it doesn't jump top 4.

That would be my only offer for Kevin Durant. You might be able to haggle 2 additional 2nd round picks, but unlikely.

So a negative contract in Jalen Green, a negative value in Jock, and a pick in the late lottery?

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

LarsV8 wrote:I will give you Jalen Green, Jock Landale and the 2025 Phoenix pick provided it doesn't jump top 4.

That would be my only offer for Kevin Durant. You might be able to haggle 2 additional 2nd round picks, but unlikely.

So a negative contract in Jalen Green, a negative value in Jock, and a pick in the late lottery?

I mean if that is your opinion, sure.

LarsV8 wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

LarsV8 wrote:I will give you Jalen Green, Jock Landale and the 2025 Phoenix pick provided it doesn't jump top 4.

That would be my only offer for Kevin Durant. You might be able to haggle 2 additional 2nd round picks, but unlikely.

So a negative contract in Jalen Green, a negative value in Jock, and a pick in the late lottery?

I mean if that is your opinion, sure.

Can you explain how Jock Landale is positive value?

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

LarsV8 wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
So a negative contract in Jalen Green, a negative value in Jock, and a pick in the late lottery?

I mean if that is your opinion, sure.

Can you explain how Jock Landale is positive value?

Let's just start with if you actually even know what Landales contract is.

LarsV8 wrote:I will give you Jalen Green, Jock Landale and the 2025 Phoenix pick provided it doesn't jump top 4.

That would be my only offer for Kevin Durant. You might be able to haggle 2 additional 2nd round picks, but unlikely.

You could have just saved yourself some keystrokes by saying

"I don't want my team to trade for KD unless Phoenix hired Nico Harrison as GM this offseason."

LarsV8 wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

LarsV8 wrote:
I mean if that is your opinion, sure.

Can you explain how Jock Landale is positive value?

Let's just start with if you actually even know what Landales contract is.

Well a portion of it needs to be guaranteed if you are trading him, no?

So how much are you guaranteeing here?

hugepatsfan wrote:

LarsV8 wrote:I will give you Jalen Green, Jock Landale and the 2025 Phoenix pick provided it doesn't jump top 4.

That would be my only offer for Kevin Durant. You might be able to haggle 2 additional 2nd round picks, but unlikely.

You could have just saved yourself some keystrokes by saying

"I don't want my team to trade for KD unless Phoenix hired Nico Harrison as GM this offseason."

OP asked for info, i gave it. Now OP has additional info to try and propose deals which will be amenable to both sides. A quality exchange in a "forum".

Hartenstein, Dort, Topic and 7th Overall via Philly for KD?

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

LarsV8 wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
Can you explain how Jock Landale is positive value?

Let's just start with if you actually even know what Landales contract is.

Well a portion of it needs to be guaranteed if you are trading him, no?

So how much are you guaranteeing here?

I'll be straight with you, some people understand the complexities of dealing with this incredibly complicated CBA, and some people just don't. If you don't get it, that's all good.

LarsV8 wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

LarsV8 wrote:
Let's just start with if you actually even know what Landales contract is.

Well a portion of it needs to be guaranteed if you are trading him, no?

So how much are you guaranteeing here?

I'll be straight with you, some people understand the complexities of dealing with this incredibly complicated CBA, and some people just don't. If you don't get it, that's all good.

What don't I understand?

Jock Landale's contract is non-guaranteed but it has to be guaranteed in order to be traded

If I am missing something, instead of being condescending, maybe provide an explanation. We are all friends here.

NYG wrote:Hartenstein, Dort, Topic and 7th Overall via Philly for KD?

I think Dort has clear positive value, Topic still holds positive value and Hartenstein could be argued is neutral on his contract.

What draft pick does this equate to then?

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

NYG wrote:Hartenstein, Dort, Topic and 7th Overall via Philly for KD?

I think Dort has clear positive value, Topic still holds positive value and Hartenstein could be argued is neutral on his contract.

What draft pick does this equate to then?

4 which matches the early poll results... that wouldn't get OKC into the top 3

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

LarsV8 wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
Well a portion of it needs to be guaranteed if you are trading him, no?

So how much are you guaranteeing here?

I'll be straight with you, some people understand the complexities of dealing with this incredibly complicated CBA, and some people just don't. If you don't get it, that's all good.

What don't I understand?

Jock Landale's contract is non-guaranteed but it has to be guaranteed in order to be traded

If I am missing something, instead of being condescending, maybe provide an explanation. We are all friends here.

Hey Scoot, could you explain what I am missing in this discussion regarding Jock Landale's contract?

Thanks.

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

LarsV8 wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
Well a portion of it needs to be guaranteed if you are trading him, no?

So how much are you guaranteeing here?

I'll be straight with you, some people understand the complexities of dealing with this incredibly complicated CBA, and some people just don't. If you don't get it, that's all good.

What don't I understand?

Jock Landale's contract is non-guaranteed but it has to be guaranteed in order to be traded

If I am missing something, instead of being condescending, maybe provide an explanation. We are all friends here.

He is implying Landale is just expiring filler like OP asks. the value is in the PHX 1st, although i agree including Jalen Green decreases value of overall package

Godaddycurse wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

LarsV8 wrote:
I'll be straight with you, some people understand the complexities of dealing with this incredibly complicated CBA, and some people just don't. If you don't get it, that's all good.

What don't I understand?

Jock Landale's contract is non-guaranteed but it has to be guaranteed in order to be traded

If I am missing something, instead of being condescending, maybe provide an explanation. We are all friends here.

He is implying Landale is just expiring filler like OP asks. the value is in the PHX 1st, although i agree including Jalen Green decreases value of overall package

How would that implication be supported by their statement about the complications of the CBA?

Seems straight-forward that Jock Londale is expiring filler.

Maybe they are having a bad night

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
What don't I understand?

Jock Landale's contract is non-guaranteed but it has to be guaranteed in order to be traded

If I am missing something, instead of being condescending, maybe provide an explanation. We are all friends here.

He is implying Landale is just expiring filler like OP asks. the value is in the PHX 1st, although i agree including Jalen Green decreases value of overall package

How would that implication be supported by their statement about the complications of the CBA?

Seems straight-forward that Jock Londale is expiring filler.

Maybe they are having a bad night

That poster takes the fact that Houston has our picks to the extreme. Ask him what Booker is worth. He'll say:

"Ill give you 1 more of Phoenix picks back. No more. "

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

LarsV8 wrote:I will give you Jalen Green, Jock Landale and the 2025 Phoenix pick provided it doesn't jump top 4.

That would be my only offer for Kevin Durant. You might be able to haggle 2 additional 2nd round picks, but unlikely.

So a negative contract in Jalen Green, a negative value in Jock, and a pick in the late lottery?

Jalen Green negative contract??? I understand that he has flaws, but in my opinion a 23 year old kid with a lot of room for improvement, a starter at the 4/5 seed and averaging + 21 points, .. is not a negative contract, .. (for example) wouldn't the Magic give his 2 FRP and equivalent money for him? (in my opinion they should) or wouldn't the HORNETS give a couple of FRP (Mavs/Heat?) they should also in my opinion....