SAS - Washington - Miami

Godaddycurse · Post #1 » by **Godaddycurse** » Sat Mar 1, 2025 5:11 am

SAS trade: Vassell, best 2026 2nd
SAS receive: Wiggins

Miami trade: Wiggins
Miami receive: Smart, #42, #49, best of spurs 2026 2nd

Washington trade: Smart, #42, #49
Washington receive: Vassell

Why for Miami: assuming the keep their pick next year, set up for a one yr tank and free up money for 2026 capspace
Why for SAS: Wiggins profile better at SF than Vassell and money expires before wemby needs to re-up
Why for Washington: Take a gamble on Vassell returning to form.

Adjust/add more 2nds if needed

ReggiesKnicks · Post #2 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Sat Mar 1, 2025 5:12 am

I don't think Washington wants to be adding someone of Vassell's caliber, but that's just the feedback I received when I did my "Mock Off-season: Washington Wizards".

Godaddycurse · Post #3 » by **Godaddycurse** » Sat Mar 1, 2025 5:14 am

ReggiesKnicks wrote:I don't think Washington wants to be adding someone of Vassell's caliber, but that's just the feedback I received when I did my "Mock Off-season: Washington Wizards".

Maybe replace with Charlotte for nurkic/okogie and one of their early 2nd? Charlotte could use Vassell i think

ReggiesKnicks · Post #4 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Sat Mar 1, 2025 5:19 am

Godaddycurse wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:I don't think Washington wants to be adding someone of Vassell's caliber, but that's just the feedback I received when I did my "Mock Off-season: Washington Wizards".

Maybe replace with Charlotte for nurkic/okogie and one of their early 2nd? Charlotte could use Vassell i think

I agree, Charlotte could use him but man does his profile look bad. At 6'5" he really is on the smaller side for a Wing but lacks creation and shooting to set him apart from players his size. His defensive is somehow non-existent and he rarely gets to the FT Line.

His profile is similar to Tim Hardaway Jr (both physically and skill-set wise) where he is good enough to make you think there is more to his game, the flashes exist but there is just no substance and no elite skill or ability.

I can't see a team paying assets for him, even when sending expiring money, though Nurkic/Okogie may be just useless enough salary (I think Smart can actually still play some).

wemby · Post #5 » by **wemby** » Sat Mar 1, 2025 8:16 am

Since he came back from injury Vassell is having a career worst year, but I'd much rather give him an offseason to get back on his game than doing this.

Post #6 » by **BBallFreak** » Sat Mar 1, 2025 1:25 pm

Maybe next trade deadline, but not today.

mhd · Post #7 » by **mhd** » Sat Mar 1, 2025 8:50 pm

Because the Wizards owe a protected 2026 1st (which is top 8 protected) to the Knicks (otherwise it turns into a 2026 2nd and 2027 2nd), they DO NOT want to add any productive players that could potentially cause that pick to convey. Simply put, this trade is a non-starter for that reason.

Post #8 » by **jbk1234** » Sat Mar 1, 2025 9:22 pm

mhd wrote:Because the Wizards owe a protected 2026 1st (which is top 8 protected) to the Knicks (otherwise it turns into a 2026 2nd and 2027 2nd), they DO NOT want to add any productive players that could potentially cause that pick to convey. Simply put, this trade is a non-starter for that reason.

The Wizards have won 10 games all season. I think they can safely trade for Vassell.

Post #9 » by **nate33** » Sun Mar 2, 2025 1:57 am

From Washington's perspective, I wouldn't do this trade specifically because San Antonio is willing to do the trade.

Trades are generally only made if it benefits both teams. That usually means one of two things: either the trade is a mutual swap of positional redundancy for positional need, or it's a trade between two teams at different stages of the basketball cycle (youth development, veteran contention, tear-down).

The Washington/San Antonio component of this trade meets none of these criteria. It's difficult to explain why San Antonio would trade Vassell to Washington because San Antonio and Washington are both in the "youth development" stage, and San Antonio doesn't have a positional surplus at wing.

Vassell is either a good young player, or he is damaged goods after the injury. If he is a good young player, San Antonio wouldn't trade him. If he is damaged goods, Washington shouldn't trade for him.

wemby · Post #10 » by **wemby** » Sun Mar 2, 2025 2:20 am

nate33 wrote:Vassell is either a good young player, or he is damaged goods after the injury. If he is a good young player, San Antonio wouldn't trade him. If he is damaged goods, Washington shouldn't trade for him.

Vassell isn't damaged goods, he had a meniscus injury and Spurs had him out a long time, which probably means they went the repair route over the removal one that has shorter recovery time but long term implications (Embiid, Lonzo, etc are extreme cases). Spurs don't take short cuts, I don't doubt him in this regard. Also, he looks good athletically. The problem is he seems out of rhythm, his shot is off and looks like he could spend a whole offseason working on his game to get back. Thus far he had improved every season, this one is a regression and as a result any return would likely be underwhelming.

Blame Rasho · Post #11 » by **Blame Rasho** » Sun Mar 2, 2025 12:24 pm

wemby wrote:
nate33 wrote:Vassell is either a good young player, or he is damaged goods after the injury. If he is a good young player, San Antonio wouldn't trade him. If he is damaged goods, Washington shouldn't trade for him.

Vassell isn't damaged goods, he had a meniscus injury and Spurs had him out a long time, which probably means they went the repair route over the removal one that has shorter recovery time but long term implications (Embiid, Lonzo, etc are extreme cases). Spurs don't take short cuts, I don't doubt him in this regard. Also, he looks good athletically. The problem is he seems out of rhythm, his shot is off and looks like he could spend a whole offseason working on his game to get back. Thus far he had improved every season, this one is a regression and as a result any return would likely be underwhelming.

I am of the opinion that he just isn’t good enough to consider him a part of the core. Let’s get a list of all the wing players in the NBA, and likely he isn’t in the top half. In this trade, there isn’t enough coming back for what he is. I would trade him without hesitation if it meant that we could get a legit number 3 or number 2 option. Him as a number 3 isn’t what I want for wemby.

wemby · Post #12 » by **wemby** » Sun Mar 2, 2025 1:40 pm

Blame Rasho wrote:I am of the opinion that he just isn’t good enough to consider him a part of the core. Let’s get a list of all the wing players in the NBA, and likely he isn’t in the top half. In this trade, there isn’t enough coming back for what he is. I would trade him without hesitation if it meant that we could get a legit number 3 or number 2 option. Him as a number 3 isn’t what I want for wemby.

I don't think Vassell is untradeable, but at this point if you tried to trade him you're likely dumping him for peanuts. Market value is heavily influenced by recent performance, and that of Vassell is probably the worst of his career. He won't get you the kind of return you mention, but if he bounces back he'll become more valuable as his salary goes down next season.