Toronto - Orlando: RJ Barrett to the Magic

[MessiahUjiri]

How about RJ to Orlando Magic?




RJ Barrett
for
KCP, Tristan Da Silva, Orl 1st (#16/17)



Why for Orlando:
The magic are defensively great, but they need another scorer in the backcourt. Suggs and Black are not natural scorers. KCP starts at SG, but he’s looking washed (multi year lows). This move makes RJ their 3rd option, which is what you would want from a championship contender. RJ is currently scoring 22/5/6, with 35% 3pt.


Why for Toronto:
Toronto has a logjam at SG, and their FO has talked about targeting the draft. Getting a mid 1st seems aligned to their vision. TDS is also a decent prospect at 6’9. KCP goes to the bench as a 3/D vet.


TDS is only a year younger than RJ, which should make this trade easier. Orlando can see why he might have a lower ceiling compared to other rookies. Toronto can see value in having a rookie cost control during his productive years.

The 2 GMs know each other well too.

[babyjax13]

Feels like a first and a Tristan da Silva too much. RJ is also a wretched fit on Orlando because he's a subpar shooter, has mediocre efficiency, but demands high volume.

[MessiahUjiri]

Feels like a first and a Tristan da Silva too much. RJ is also a wretched fit on Orlando because he's a subpar shooter, has mediocre efficiency, but demands high volume.

A first and a TDS too much??

So you’re seriously equating KCP to RJ? KCP is a negative contract in all objectivity.

RJ is scoring 22ppg with 35% shooting. Maybe you haven’t seen him the last 2 years.

Rememberx, RJ is only a year older than TDS.

[babyjax13]

Feels like a first and a Tristan da Silva too much. RJ is also a wretched fit on Orlando because he's a subpar shooter, has mediocre efficiency, but demands high volume.

A first and a TDS too much??

So you’re seriously equating KCP to RJ? KCP is a negative contract in all objectivity.

RJ is scoring 22ppg with 35% shooting. Maybe you haven’t seen him the last 2 years.

Rememberx, RJ is only a year older than TDS.

RJ is 100 percent a negative value on his contract with his play. His efficiency is better than in New York but it is still bad, he generates almost no defensive stats, and is really high usage. He should be a 6th man where his game would actually have some value (a la Jordan Clarkson) but he is paid too much for that to be appealing. KCP is having a bad year in Orlando, but he is paid less and for a shorter amount of time than RJ and is easier to fit into a role on any team.

[ReggiesKnicks]

I think has good bones for a deal but ultimately it doesn't really move the needle for Orlando. Maybe Orlando believes fully in Banchero/Wagner as a #1/#2 and RJ Barrett fits on a timeline nicely as a #3, especially if what we have seen over the past 400 days is truly what he can be.

If Orlando believes in Paolo/Wagner moving forward, then RJ is a nice #3 and paid accordingly.

[Godaddycurse]

Feels like a first and a Tristan da Silva too much. RJ is also a wretched fit on Orlando because he's a subpar shooter, has mediocre efficiency, but demands high volume.

A first and a TDS too much??

So you’re seriously equating KCP to RJ? KCP is a negative contract in all objectivity.

RJ is scoring 22ppg with 35% shooting. Maybe you haven’t seen him the last 2 years.

Rememberx, RJ is only a year older than TDS.

RJ is 100 percent a negative value on his contract with his play. His efficiency is better than in New York but it is still bad, he generates almost no defensive stats, and is really high usage. He should be a 6th man where his game would actually have some value (a la Jordan Clarkson) but he is paid too much for that to be appealing. KCP is having a bad year in Orlando, but he is paid less and for a shorter amount of time than RJ and is easier to fit into a role on any team.

Barrett's TS is 55.5, about 1 percent less than the SG avg and its mostly dragged down by his FT%, which should improve. He also had to play first option a bunch of games which didnt fare well. When he played next to Barnes his efficiency is better. He improved his shot selection and playmaking alot vs his NYC days. Defense still a work in progress though. I value him more than KCP moving forward

[OrlandoDream]

RJ is having a good year but your not getting both TDS and a first-round for him. More like KCP, TDS and second. RJ still young and time to improve but he is on a loaded contract and known defensive liability. Orlando needs the shooting and scoring but idk If RJ is the move.

[babyjax13]

A first and a TDS too much??

So you’re seriously equating KCP to RJ? KCP is a negative contract in all objectivity.

RJ is scoring 22ppg with 35% shooting. Maybe you haven’t seen him the last 2 years.

Rememberx, RJ is only a year older than TDS.

RJ is 100 percent a negative value on his contract with his play. His efficiency is better than in New York but it is still bad, he generates almost no defensive stats, and is really high usage. He should be a 6th man where his game would actually have some value (a la Jordan Clarkson) but he is paid too much for that to be appealing. KCP is having a bad year in Orlando, but he is paid less and for a shorter amount of time than RJ and is easier to fit into a role on any team.

Barrett's TS is 55.5, about 1 percent less than the SG avg and its mostly dragged down by his FT%, which should improve. He also had to play first option a bunch of games which didnt fare well. When he played next to Barnes his efficiency is better. He improved his shot selection and playmaking alot vs his NYC days. Defense still a work in progress though. I value him more than KCP moving forward

He is a career 70% freethrow shooter shooting 66%, so if it improves 5% we are talking .29ppg and an increase in TS of less than 1% (my hand math was .09% but that might be a bit off). I think it is fair to hold onto him if you have faith he can become more efficient, but I don't have a ton of hope. I think when he is off this contract and making a more appropriate number he will have some value.

[Astaluego]

RJ is having a good year but your not getting both TDS and a first-round for him. More like KCP, TDS and second. RJ still young and time to improve but he is on a loaded contract and known defensive liability. Orlando needs the shooting and scoring but idk If RJ is the move.

I would say no, ..
I think the Magic should trade for a veteran like McCollum, who also expires next year, who in addition to shooting contributes experience, a team player, finished product ... and not another soloist who needs repetitions and to polish his game..
I also don't love KCP on the Raptors (I would like to see him go to Bucks Patt/Portis)..

RJ should go to the Clippers surrounded by veterans and where he could benefit from playing with Harden, The Clippers could also benefit from RJ's power and youth.. and send the Raptors some depth Bogdanovic/Eubanks/K. Brown + 2 SRP and some salary relief

[jjohns828]

I don’t love the fit. We do need more scoring in the backcourt but we should really be focused on that being in the form of a real starting PG.

[Thaddy]

Raptors should hold on to him his value is increasing and he is getting better. The Ingram / IQ / Barrett trio as scoring options will be good for Toronto. Barnes as a 4th option point forward with a big role on defense is going to be amazing. The Raptors need to see how this looks before another big move

[Skybox]

I’d say the pick is one thing too much for Barrett and he’s not really the solution to ORL’s historically poor shooting. Another iso score doesn’t do anything to improve their awful offensive movement. I think, all things considered ($$) TdS and the pick are currently the only clear positive values in the OP. I have more confidence that KCPs shot returns than RJB finding one. KCP’s defense is still elite. A guy like Simons or Sexton or Coby White, who can shoot 3’s at high volume and, to an extent, run some PG, is a lot more attractive next to Suggs- who has clearly demonstrated he’s no PG.

That’s a lot for Barrett, imo, considering how much he makes…id only really want to discuss IQ

[Godaddycurse]

RJ is 100 percent a negative value on his contract with his play. His efficiency is better than in New York but it is still bad, he generates almost no defensive stats, and is really high usage. He should be a 6th man where his game would actually have some value (a la Jordan Clarkson) but he is paid too much for that to be appealing. KCP is having a bad year in Orlando, but he is paid less and for a shorter amount of time than RJ and is easier to fit into a role on any team.

Barrett's TS is 55.5, about 1 percent less than the SG avg and its mostly dragged down by his FT%, which should improve. He also had to play first option a bunch of games which didnt fare well. When he played next to Barnes his efficiency is better. He improved his shot selection and playmaking alot vs his NYC days. Defense still a work in progress though. I value him more than KCP moving forward

He is a career 70% freethrow shooter shooting 66%, so if it improves 5% we are talking .29ppg and an increase in TS of less than 1% (my hand math was .09% but that might be a bit off). I think it is fair to hold onto him if you have faith he can become more efficient, but I don't have a ton of hope. I think when he is off this contract and making a more appropriate number he will have some value.

I think his career FT% was around 73% or more prior to coming to Toronto. We cut out his mid range shots and he forgot how to shoot FTs it seems. Hopefully he can fix it this offseason. I would hold him and see how he does next year with ingram taking the tougher shots.

[MessiahUjiri]

RJ is 100 percent a negative value on his contract with his play. His efficiency is better than in New York but it is still bad, he generates almost no defensive stats, and is really high usage. He should be a 6th man where his game would actually have some value (a la Jordan Clarkson) but he is paid too much for that to be appealing. KCP is having a bad year in Orlando, but he is paid less and for a shorter amount of time than RJ and is easier to fit into a role on any team.

Barrett's TS is 55.5, about 1 percent less than the SG avg and its mostly dragged down by his FT%, which should improve. He also had to play first option a bunch of games which didnt fare well. When he played next to Barnes his efficiency is better. He improved his shot selection and playmaking alot vs his NYC days. Defense still a work in progress though. I value him more than KCP moving forward

He is a career 70% freethrow shooter shooting 66%, so if it improves 5% we are talking .29ppg and an increase in TS of less than 1% (my hand math was .09% but that might be a bit off). I think it is fair to hold onto him if you have faith he can become more efficient, but I don't have a ton of hope. I think when he is off this contract and making a more appropriate number he will have some value.

This talking point of criticizing RJ Barrett’s TS% is so 2023.

In this league, it’s very difficult to get 22 pts, 6 rebounds and 5 assists, while shooting 35% from 3.

We are talking about a 24 year old player here.

It’s obvious who hasn’t seen RJ play in the last 2 years. Trading him for the corpse of KCP ($21M), TDS, and a non-lotto 1st seems quite reasonable.

RJ isn’t perfect, but he’s a very good fit in Orlando since they are defensively set, and need a backcourt scorer who fits their timeline.

[MessiahUjiri]

I’d say the pick is one thing too much for Barrett and he’s not really the solution to ORL’s historically poor shooting. Another iso score doesn’t do anything to improve their awful offensive movement. I think, all things considered ($$) TdS and the pick are currently the only clear positive values in the OP. I have more confidence that KCPs shot returns than RJB finding one. KCP’s defense is still elite. A guy like Simons or Sexton or Coby White, who can shoot 3’s at high volume and, to an extent, run some PG, is a lot more attractive next to Suggs- who has clearly demonstrated he’s no PG.

That’s a lot for Barrett, imo, considering how much he makes…id only really want to discuss IQ

Do you know that RJ is shooting 3s at a higher clip than both KCP and TDS?

Do you known that RJ is averaging close to 6 assists?

This talking point about being a ball stopper & poor shooter is outdated info from 2 years ago.

[jjohns828]

Barrett's TS is 55.5, about 1 percent less than the SG avg and its mostly dragged down by his FT%, which should improve. He also had to play first option a bunch of games which didnt fare well. When he played next to Barnes his efficiency is better. He improved his shot selection and playmaking alot vs his NYC days. Defense still a work in progress though. I value him more than KCP moving forward

He is a career 70% freethrow shooter shooting 66%, so if it improves 5% we are talking .29ppg and an increase in TS of less than 1% (my hand math was .09% but that might be a bit off). I think it is fair to hold onto him if you have faith he can become more efficient, but I don't have a ton of hope. I think when he is off this contract and making a more appropriate number he will have some value.

This talking point of criticizing RJ Barrett’s TS% is so 2023.

In this league, it’s very difficult to get 22 pts, 6 rebounds and 5 assists, while shooting 35% from 3.

We are talking about a 24 year old player here.

It’s obvious who hasn’t seen RJ play in the last 2 years. Trading him for the corpse of KCP ($21M), TDS, and a non-lotto 1st seems quite reasonable.

RJ isn’t perfect, but he’s a very good fit in Orlando since they are defensively set, and need a backcourt scorer who fits their timeline.

I disagree about his fit we do need a backcourt scorer but the most important thing is they also need to provide at least one of the two things we're most missing in our offense a high volume 3pt shooter or a playmaker to take some of the load off of Franz and Paolo. I don't see Barrett contributing either of those things so trading for him would be a mistake for Orlando.

[orlando_joe]

i could maybe see point of kcp and 2nds but no to adding td and a first..and not really sure of fit and see kcp as a bad yr shooting for sure but can shoot back at his last 4 yrs numbers next yr 40% from 3 with great d

this yr sadly is just a lost yr for magic due to just so many injuries

[oldncreaky]

I don’t love the fit. We do need more scoring in the backcourt but we should really be focused on that being in the form of a real starting PG.

I think this is the right perspective. On value, the OP seems fair, or at least close to fair. However, I don't like the direction.

I agree Orlando needs to add a PG. Someone good enough to run the team and create more efficient shots for others, while being playable enough on D to be in their closing line up.

[jjohns828]

i could maybe see point of kcp and 2nds but no to adding td and a first..and not really sure of fit and see kcp as a bad yr shooting for sure but can shoot back at his last 4 yrs numbers next yr 40% from 3 with great d

this yr sadly is just a lost yr for magic due to just so many injuries

I do think we should try and move on from KCP though, hated the signing at the time for much the same reason I don't like trading for Barrett he doesn't provide the high volume 3pt shooting or playmaking we need. At his best he was a low volume 3&D guard who duplicated Suggs instead of adding what we needed to improve our offense and I don't think it will work even if he improves his shooting back to his old numbers.

[orlando_joe]

I’d say the pick is one thing too much for Barrett and he’s not really the solution to ORL’s historically poor shooting. Another iso score doesn’t do anything to improve their awful offensive movement. I think, all things considered ($$) TdS and the pick are currently the only clear positive values in the OP. I have more confidence that KCPs shot returns than RJB finding one. KCP’s defense is still elite. A guy like Simons or Sexton or Coby White, who can shoot 3’s at high volume and, to an extent, run some PG, is a lot more attractive next to Suggs- who has clearly demonstrated he’s no PG.

That’s a lot for Barrett, imo, considering how much he makes…id only really want to discuss IQ

Do you know that RJ is shooting 3s at a higher clip than both KCP and TDS?

Do you known that RJ is averaging close to 6 assists?

This talking point about being a ball stopper & poor shooter is outdated info from 2 years ago.

i know he wont get even chance on magic to take that many shots or have ball as much ...do you know that?