another KD to Mavs..with Beal back to Washington

[Astaluego]

MAVS
In:KD/Gil
Out: Washington/Gafford/Klay/Hardy/Powell+Lakers 29

Lively
AD/Martín/O-Max
KD/Marshall/K.Edwards
Christie/Exum?
KI/SD?

The Mavs complete their Big 3, if they manage to extend SD and Exum for little money + some veteran looking for a ring that they can sign in FA... a very good rotation for the Playoff.

SUNS
In: Smart/Middleton/Washington/Gafford/Hardy/Klay/Lakers 29 (unpro)
Out:KD/Beal

Gafford/Richards
Washington/Royce
Middleton/Dunn
Klay/Allen
Booker/Smart

They get a more balanced team, gain a lot of flexibility in the medium/long term and stay with the team with the highest potential.

WIZARDS
In:Beal/Powell/FRP25 Cavs (now 29)/FRP 27(by Suns)
Out:Smart/Middleton

They bring back their idol from the last decade, now in a more mentor role, and they get paid for it.

[Mavrelous]

If Beal says yes, all teams should do this IMO.

[Astaluego]

If Beal says yes, all teams should do this IMO.

Ideally continue to let G. Allen in cap space (I think he'd be ideal in Houston and they can afford him without declining Landale/Holiday)... Then the Suns if they decline Martin/Micic's options (and put Hardy's salary) would they have the MLE for D. Russell..??or could they work out a ST with the NETS..?

I think at this point...and being Washington, Beal accepts...but who knows

[zimpy27]

Suns will want Lively+OMax

They are looking to rebuild with guys that can grow and help now.

[Astaluego]

Suns will want Lively+OMax

They are looking to rebuild with guys that can grow and help now.

Because KD is expiring and the entire league knows they are going to part ways, I think the Suns' leverage is limited..although I guess they can have O-Max

[Mavrelous]

Suns will want Lively+OMax

They are looking to rebuild with guys that can grow and help now.

KD will be almost 37 at the time of the trade and on an expiring, PJ, Gafford and unprotected 1st is a good value

[nate33]

This makes perfect sense from Washington's perspective. The obvious hang up is convincing Beal not to decline. The pitch to Beal would be to ask him to essentially take next season off and then have his final season be bought out so that he could go play for the vet minimum on a contender while still getting paid by Washington. Heck, the Wizards could have him continue to live in Phoenix throughout the 2025-26 season so Beal could keep his kids in school there.

How are the Suns giving Washington their 2027 FRP? Isn't it encumbered?

All that said, I still think the ideal blow-it-up move for Phoenix is make a trade with Houston. The return they get from Houston (their own picks back, which would promptly become lotto picks after Phoenix unloads Durant and/or Booker) is going to be better than the expected return they can get from any other team.

[Slim Charless]

Suns will want Lively+OMax

They are looking to rebuild with guys that can grow and help now.

KD will be almost 37 at the time of the trade and on an expiring, PJ, Gafford and unprotected 1st is a good value

Hardly. Got offered Butler, Kuminga and 2 firsts back at the deadline. That's only one team. What happens when there's multiple teams bidding.....?

[Mavrelous]

Suns will want Lively+OMax

They are looking to rebuild with guys that can grow and help now.

KD will be almost 37 at the time of the trade and on an expiring, PJ, Gafford and unprotected 1st is a good value

Hardly. Got offered Butler, Kuminga and 2 firsts back at the deadline. That's only one team. What happens when there's multiple teams bidding.....?

Source? I doubt this offer was on the table and got turned down, and the team getting Durant now, has him for 1 less PO series.

[Texas Chuck]

Yeah I don't recall seeing any specific offer from GSW reported with credibility. Thought the issue though was KD didn't want to go back/be dealt mid-season.

But if the Suns turned that down and have committed to trading him this summer, that's some incredible mismanagement and that would be my primary takeaway as a Suns fan, not setting a value my player no longer has.

[Slim Charless]

KD will be almost 37 at the time of the trade and on an expiring, PJ, Gafford and unprotected 1st is a good value

Hardly. Got offered Butler, Kuminga and 2 firsts back at the deadline. That's only one team. What happens when there's multiple teams bidding.....?

Source? I doubt this offer was on the table and got turned down, and the team getting Durant now, has him for 1 less PO series.

Yeah I don't recall seeing any specific offer from GSW reported with credibility. Thought the issue though was KD didn't want to go back/be dealt mid-season.

But if the Suns turned that down and have committed to trading him this summer, that's some incredible mismanagement and that would be my primary takeaway as a Suns fan, not setting a value my player no longer has.

Sports Illustrated.

https://www.si.com/nba/suns/news/insider-phoenix-suns-would-have-got-this-kevin-durant-trade

Durant shut down the idea of going back. Regardless the offer was there. To me, that's the benchmark this summer. His value goes down-slightly but not that much.

[Mavrelous]

Hardly. Got offered Butler, Kuminga and 2 firsts back at the deadline. That's only one team. What happens when there's multiple teams bidding.....?

Source? I doubt this offer was on the table and got turned down, and the team getting Durant now, has him for 1 less PO series.

Yeah I don't recall seeing any specific offer from GSW reported with credibility. Thought the issue though was KD didn't want to go back/be dealt mid-season.

But if the Suns turned that down and have committed to trading him this summer, that's some incredible mismanagement and that would be my primary takeaway as a Suns fan, not setting a value my player no longer has.

Sports Illustrated.

https://www.si.com/nba/suns/news/insider-phoenix-suns-would-have-got-this-kevin-durant-trade

Durant shut down the idea of going back. Regardless the offer was there. To me, that's the benchmark this summer. His value goes down-slightly but not that much.

SI is a fan site and the person behind it has 415 followers, there is no direct reference to Gambo saying this, I don't put any stock into this reporting, and I have the claim to be absurd, Miami would need to be giving up value to get Kuminga from the Warriors, scramble for another 1st since they have only one, no to mention the need for a 4th team since Suns are over the 2nd Apron, Heat over the 1st and GSW hardcapped at the 1st with little breathing room under it, it doesn't pass the smell test to any frequent poster on this board.

[Slim Charless]

Source? I doubt this offer was on the table and got turned down, and the team getting Durant now, has him for 1 less PO series.

Yeah I don't recall seeing any specific offer from GSW reported with credibility. Thought the issue though was KD didn't want to go back/be dealt mid-season.

But if the Suns turned that down and have committed to trading him this summer, that's some incredible mismanagement and that would be my primary takeaway as a Suns fan, not setting a value my player no longer has.

Sports Illustrated.

https://www.si.com/nba/suns/news/insider-phoenix-suns-would-have-got-this-kevin-durant-trade

Durant shut down the idea of going back. Regardless the offer was there. To me, that's the benchmark this summer. His value goes down-slightly but not that much.

SI is a fan site and the person behind it has 415 followers, there is no direct reference to Gambo saying this, I don't put any stock into this reporting, and I have the claim to be absurd, Miami would need to be giving up value to get Kuminga from the Warriors, scramble for another 1st since they have only one, no to mention the need for a 4th team since Suns are over the 2nd Apron, Heat over the 1st and GSW hardcapped at the 1st with little breathing room under it, it doesn't pass the smell test to any frequent poster on this board.

Believe what you want to believe. I believe that there's a 0.00% chance of OP's offer ever being accepted by the Suns.

Time will tell which of us is correct.

[Mavrelous]

Sports Illustrated.

https://www.si.com/nba/suns/news/insider-phoenix-suns-would-have-got-this-kevin-durant-trade

Durant shut down the idea of going back. Regardless the offer was there. To me, that's the benchmark this summer. His value goes down-slightly but not that much.

SI is a fan site and the person behind it has 415 followers, there is no direct reference to Gambo saying this, I don't put any stock into this reporting, and I have the claim to be absurd, Miami would need to be giving up value to get Kuminga from the Warriors, scramble for another 1st since they have only one, no to mention the need for a 4th team since Suns are over the 2nd Apron, Heat over the 1st and GSW hardcapped at the 1st with little breathing room under it, it doesn't pass the smell test to any frequent poster on this board.

Believe what you want to believe. I believe that there's a 0.00% chance of OP's offer ever being accepted by the Suns.

Time will tell which of us is correct.

That's true for every opinion on this platform, what I specifically asked about is a source for your claim that the Suns turned down Butler, Kuminga and 2 1sts for KD, and the source you brought is unreliable, the Suns didn't turn down such offer, this is an absurd claim.

[Slim Charless]

Source? I doubt this offer was on the table and got turned down, and the team getting Durant now, has him for 1 less PO series.

Yeah I don't recall seeing any specific offer from GSW reported with credibility. Thought the issue though was KD didn't want to go back/be dealt mid-season.

But if the Suns turned that down and have committed to trading him this summer, that's some incredible mismanagement and that would be my primary takeaway as a Suns fan, not setting a value my player no longer has.

Sports Illustrated.

https://www.si.com/nba/suns/news/insider-phoenix-suns-would-have-got-this-kevin-durant-trade

Durant shut down the idea of going back. Regardless the offer was there. To me, that's the benchmark this summer. His value goes down-slightly but not that much.

SI is a fan site and the person behind it has 415 followers, there is no direct reference to Gambo saying this, I don't put any stock into this reporting, and I have the claim to be absurd, Miami would need to be giving up value to get Kuminga from the Warriors, scramble for another 1st since they have only one, no to mention the need for a 4th team since Suns are over the 2nd Apron, Heat over the 1st and GSW hardcapped at the 1st with little breathing room under it, it doesn't pass the smell test to any frequent poster on this board.

Durant shut the idea down, not us. What I said: was the offer was there, and that is now the benchmark for KD.

Also:

Read on Twitter

Hopefully this is proof enough for you.

[Mavrelous]

Durant shut the idea down, not us. What I said: was the offer was there, and that is now the benchmark for KD.

Also:

Read on Twitter

Hopefully this is proof enough for you.

You still bring second hand source attributing this absurd claim to reliable sources, but not the reliable sources themselves.
I wonder why you keep doing this instead if bringing Shams himself saying this, maybe because you know it's not true?

[Slim Charless]

Durant shut the idea down, not us. What I said: was the offer was there, and that is now the benchmark for KD.

Also:

Read on Twitter

Hopefully this is proof enough for you.

You still bring second hand source attributing this absurd claim to reliable sources, but not the reliable sources themselves.
I wonder why you keep doing this instead if bringing Shams himself saying this, maybe because you know it's not true?

Sidery has been posted all over this board. Sports Illustrated is 1 of the oldest sports media there is lol. I cannot believe you're serious here. You don't like what I'm posting because it goes against getting KD for OP's offer.

That deal won't happen. We might trade KD in the summer but not for that.

[Astaluego]

Durant shut the idea down, not us. What I said: was the offer was there, and that is now the benchmark for KD.

Also:

Read on Twitter

Hopefully this is proof enough for you.

You still bring second hand source attributing this absurd claim to reliable sources, but not the reliable sources themselves.
I wonder why you keep doing this instead if bringing Shams himself saying this, maybe because you know it's not true?

Sidery has been posted all over this board. Sports Illustrated is 1 of the oldest sports media there is lol. I cannot believe you're serious here. You don't like what I'm posting because it goes against getting KD for OP's offer.

That deal won't happen. We might trade KD in the summer but not for that.

Gafford/PJ/Klay/Lively+ Lakers FRP to SUNS
Richards/KD to MAVS
Hardy to 3 TEAM?

something like this would be closer for you?

[Slim Charless]

You still bring second hand source attributing this absurd claim to reliable sources, but not the reliable sources themselves.
I wonder why you keep doing this instead if bringing Shams himself saying this, maybe because you know it's not true?

Sidery has been posted all over this board. Sports Illustrated is 1 of the oldest sports media there is lol. I cannot believe you're serious here. You don't like what I'm posting because it goes against getting KD for OP's offer.

That deal won't happen. We might trade KD in the summer but not for that.

Gafford/PJ/Klay/Lively+ Lakers FRP to SUNS
Richards/KD to MAVS
Hardy to 3 TEAM?

something like this would be closer for you?

I think that Durant will be the biggest prize available to trade for teams this summer, unless we offer up Booker as well.

As such, I see OKC, Miami, SAS, Houston at the minimum. In addition to Dallas and whoever else decides that they want him. Durant will get a chance to pick and choose. To a degree. Those first 4 teams I listed all have more things to offer up than Dallas. i think we negotiate with a list of 3-4 teams that Durant gives a thumbs up to.

To answer your question, its a better than the 1st offer but again I think that there is better offers from those other teams cause they have a ton of stuff to offer.

[Texas Chuck]

I thought everyone knew SI as we knew it as kids no longer existed? And that they have sold out their name for local fansites to use for legitimacy?

If not, people should know this.

And we definitely posted Sidery because everyone loves a rumor especially if it favors our favorite team, but we also demonstrated his lack of credibility, his habit of posting a bunch of stuff hoping it sticks and actually deleting old posts Chad Ford style to not have to acknowledge when he was wrong.

Doesn't mean KD won't return a king's ransom when he's dealt this summer, but its definitely not the proof being claimed either.

The issue imo with the Suns getting great value is they have basically openly stated he will be traded, they will never trade him somewhere he doesn't want to be, and having mortgaged their future as far as they have and being stuck with Beal, they almost have to go for a win now package which should lower the assets they receive.

Dallas is definitely one of the handful of teams that should be considered since he chose to play with Kyrie before plus with AD. And Dallas has attractive salary matching pieces for the Suns.

Of course Dallas isn't really a destination city so you have to look at Miami, plus we know of other teams who already expressed interest who might offer better chances for him to compete for a title.

But it won't be open bidding.