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Coby just went off on Orl. The Magic really need scoring, and Coby could flourish there.

Anthony/Orl pick (late lotto) for Coby/Port pick (looking more likely to come thru-possibly next year)

Orl has A LOT of young guys, and won't have space for another. They get a perfect high minute 6th man to go with Suggs/KCP next year, and add a future pick. They still have the Den pick to play with

Bulls get a good pick for Coby, and tank next year.

I think I would be fine with this IF there was some kind of protections on the POR pick if it doesn't convey. This would be an insane overpay if it didn't.

After looking it looks like it is protected for a LONG time, so I guess it would be fine to hold it hostage and maybe use it to get Simons or something.

Why are the Bulls giving up that pick? It’s becoming increasingly likely it will convey at some stage.

It’s fine without that pick. A middling teens pick for a 20 point high volume 3 point shooter on a cheap deal for next season.

I'm an ORL fan and I'm wondering the same...why is CHI attaching any draft pick?

IF our FO had any balls whatsoever, Coby would have hung that 44 on CHI instead of ORL last night

he is exp contract i can see anthony and denver pick plus some 2nds maybe ..do not see magic giving a top 10 pick for him..magic look like they maybe win 5 games rest of the way.. the pick is at 11 right now..the upside chance and value in that 4 yr for 25 - 30 mill cost control player means more then ever for magic with all the extensions ..its not like he is great pg or something he is a 6th man...magic not fooled by a career game with 1 ast..

orlando_joe wrote:he is exp contract i can see anthony and denver pick plus some 2nds maybe ..do not see magic giving a top 10 pick for him..magic look like they maybe win 5 games rest of the way.. the pick is at 11 right now..the upside chance and value in that 4 yr for 25 - 30 mill cost control player means more then ever for magic with all the extensions ..its not like he is great pg or something he is a 6th man...magic not fooled by a career game with 1 ast..

He's AVERAGING 19ppg and around 5 apg...just like he did last year.

OrlandoNOe back at it again.

orlando_joe wrote:he is exp contract i can see anthony and denver pick plus some 2nds maybe ..do not see magic giving a top 10 pick for him..magic look like they maybe win 5 games rest of the way.. the pick is at 11 right now..the upside chance and value in that 4 yr for 25 - 30 mill cost control player means more then ever for magic with all the extensions ..its not like he is great pg or something he is a 6th man...magic not fooled by a career game with 1 ast..

when you say things like this, you just sound silly.

Coby to Orlando should have been done already for a mid-first and no bad or long term money.

I can’t believe how inept the Magic FO has been outside of some good draft picks. And you know what, that sounds exactly like Troy Weaver, who we showed the door last summer. Magic should do the same. Possibly Mosley, too, though I’m less certain of that — unlike the previous comparison, he’s not completely inept like Monty Williams.

Yes Coby had a monster game but if you look back at the last 10 he's still inconsistent.I can see how his scoring and more so his 3 point shooting would help ORL considering that F Wagner just can't stretch the floor at all but he is an expiring contract so I can the Magic justify sending out a lottery pick not knowing if he's going to be certain to resign?

That PORT pick is a mirage, they aren't going to jump from #9 now to #15 for it to move this year and they need to make 4-5 really good and fairly large deals this summer to square away that roster and they haven't shown the willingness to do that since the Bulls got the pick. Still protected through 2028.

Post game as everyone was excited about the 44, I thought about Coby testing the open market and if he resigns with the Bulls he may well be the starting SG but he can't take up all the money so they can't afford Giddey who allows Coby to be strictly a SG. Is there another team that would consider starting him or are his offers going to be as a 6th man? That's why I can't see the Bulls giving up the PORT pick to move a guy who ORL thinks helps them so much.

Not sure on the Port pick-if it's necessary? Coby is solid but inconsistent

tiderulz wrote:

orlando_joe wrote:he is exp contract i can see anthony and denver pick plus some 2nds maybe ..do not see magic giving a top 10 pick for him..magic look like they maybe win 5 games rest of the way.. the pick is at 11 right now..the upside chance and value in that 4 yr for 25 - 30 mill cost control player means more then ever for magic with all the extensions ..its not like he is great pg or something he is a 6th man...magic not fooled by a career game with 1 ast..

when you say things like this, you just sound silly.

look only took 2 post after yours for a bulls fan to mention 6th man..but i am silly? ok
who is silly now?

those who know..know

I think a top 10 pick is way too much for White straight up, which is looking to be where the Magic might end up picking. The POR pick with its protections means the BEST it can be is 15. If the trade was say White + 16 to move up to 10, that is a totally fair deal, right? It is just that the POR pick isnt this year and could end up being way worse. So yes, I think the POR pick is a fine addition and realistically not even that much of an asset with how bad Portland continues to be.

Ducklett wrote:I think a top 10 pick is way too much for White straight up, which is looking to be where the Magic might end up picking. The POR pick with its protections means the BEST it can be is 15. If the trade was say White + 16 to move up to 10, that is a totally fair deal, right? It is just that the POR pick isnt this year and could end up being way worse. So yes, I think the POR pick is a fine addition and realistically not even that much of an asset with how bad Portland continues to be.

White’s definitely worth more than moving from 16 to 10 in a draft. I’m not gonna say he’s worth 10 by himself, but in a typical draft, 16 seems reasonable. You do want to get him signed to a fair number longer term first, though.

orlando_joe wrote:

tiderulz wrote:

orlando_joe wrote:he is exp contract i can see anthony and denver pick plus some 2nds maybe ..do not see magic giving a top 10 pick for him..magic look like they maybe win 5 games rest of the way.. the pick is at 11 right now..the upside chance and value in that 4 yr for 25 - 30 mill cost control player means more then ever for magic with all the extensions ..its not like he is great pg or something he is a 6th man...magic not fooled by a career game with 1 ast..

when you say things like this, you just sound silly.

look only took 2 post after yours for a bulls fan to mention 6th man..but i am silly? ok
who is silly now?

those who know..know

you mean the one who said this?

if he resigns with the Bulls he may well be the starting SG

i dont know how you are a Magic fan yet you cant admit most of our players have little to no value. and you #@%@% on any trade created for Orlando. You and Otis Smith, "you like this team" meanwhile we are dropping out of the playoffs and will soon have our star players demanding trades because our front office keeps players until they have zero value and then just let them go

tiderulz wrote:

orlando_joe wrote:

tiderulz wrote:when you say things like this, you just sound silly.

look only took 2 post after yours for a bulls fan to mention 6th man..but i am silly? ok
who is silly now?

those who know..know

you mean the one who said this?

if he resigns with the Bulls he may well be the starting SG

i dont know how you are a Magic fan yet you cant admit most of our players have little to no value. and you #@%@% on any trade created for Orlando. You and Otis Smith, "you like this team" meanwhile we are dropping out of the playoffs and will soon have our star players demanding trades because our front office keeps players until they have zero value and then just let them go

could show just how important suggs and mo wagner were..not to mention games franz and paolo missed ..did not say player has value but white not ext on good deal and exp deal not worth 10th pick..not sure why others want to give better assets all the time? for role players that there have not been many at all that have been traded for more then i think that did not turn into bad deals or never moved ..

tmorgan wrote:

Ducklett wrote:I think a top 10 pick is way too much for White straight up, which is looking to be where the Magic might end up picking. The POR pick with its protections means the BEST it can be is 15. If the trade was say White + 16 to move up to 10, that is a totally fair deal, right? It is just that the POR pick isnt this year and could end up being way worse. So yes, I think the POR pick is a fine addition and realistically not even that much of an asset with how bad Portland continues to be.

White’s definitely worth more than moving from 16 to 10 in a draft. I’m not gonna say he’s worth 10 by himself, but in a typical draft, 16 seems reasonable. You do want to get him signed to a fair number longer term first, though.

Historically moving from the middle half to the top half costs a decent amount. If Coby was signed to a longer contract, you might be right. Magic aren't trading 10 for Coby straight up, that isnt even close.

Middle half to top half means what exactly? And is there a Bolton half? That’s three halves, ya know.

16 to 10 is just out of the lottery to pretty late lottery. That’s just not all that much. Six spots can be huge if you end up top three or something, but this isn’t that.

Coby White is a talented guy. Not as valuable as your top three guys, but still of real value. You don’t get him for scraps, which is pretty much what 16 to 10 is.

pipfan wrote:Coby just went off on Orl. The Magic really need scoring, and Coby could flourish there.

Anthony/Orl pick (late lotto) for Coby/Port pick (looking more likely to come thru-possibly next year)

Orl has A LOT of young guys, and won't have space for another. They get a perfect high minute 6th man to go with Suggs/KCP next year, and add a future pick. They still have the Den pick to play with

Bulls get a good pick for Coby, and tank next year.

Make it the denver pick and you got a deal. Some magic fans are enamored with Anthony Black for reasons I cant see. AB prob flourish in CHI with less expectations and more freedom.

OrlandoDream wrote:

pipfan wrote:Coby just went off on Orl. The Magic really need scoring, and Coby could flourish there.

Anthony/Orl pick (late lotto) for Coby/Port pick (looking more likely to come thru-possibly next year)

Orl has A LOT of young guys, and won't have space for another. They get a perfect high minute 6th man to go with Suggs/KCP next year, and add a future pick. They still have the Den pick to play with

Bulls get a good pick for Coby, and tank next year.

Make it the denver pick and you got a deal. Some magic fans are enamored with Anthony Black for reasons I cant see. AB prob flourish in CHI with less expectations and more freedom.

I made an Ivey trade scenario including AB in my Feelers for Ivey thread.

Ivey+TOR 2nd this year for Black+ORL 1st this year. Thoughts?

tmorgan wrote:Middle half to top half means what exactly? And is there a Bolton half? That’s three halves, ya know.

16 to 10 is just out of the lottery to pretty late lottery. That’s just not all that much. Six spots can be huge if you end up top three or something, but this isn’t that.

Coby White is a talented guy. Not as valuable as your top three guys, but still of real value. You don’t get him for scraps, which is pretty much what 16 to 10 is.

16 is just the best possible scenario for this trade. That Portland pick could end up being 30th pick in 2028. Would you trade 10 for Coby and 30? No, you would not. Let's say the middle of the range 22. Is Coby + 22 worth 10? No, that value is off.

I love having 3 halves, so jokes on you. Thirds are for jerks.