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Paolo and Franz aren't really subtractive as a fit... But they're not really additive either. Kind of like Durant-Booker, Paolo-Franz do the same things and are a star combination where you're left wanting in a bunch of different areas for your team because they're so duplicative. If the Magic were to move one of their star forwards, who would they target in return?

Idk if I'm in the minority here, but when it was Paolo injured and Franz as the main guy, this team was playing good basketball. I'd move Paolo first. Not sure what the market would be for him though.

I'd do the following for either:

Gobert
Randle
Dillingham
Detroit 1st (2025)
Timberwolves 1st (2026)

I'd also probably do:

McDaniels
Randle
Detroit 1st (2025)
Timberwolves 1st (2026)

right now that is just crazy talk..wont happen unless one asks out i dont see it..magic just not healthy all yr they fit fine

Garland for Franz makes sense.

It couldn't be for spare parts or an aged star.

Something like Ant or Cade becoming available makes sense but in general it would be really tough at this stage. I'd be very reluctant to consider Trae, Maxey or Garland, the pick package added would have to blow you away, on top of the FO needing to be absolutely certain that the Franz/Paolo duo is doomed.

DowJones wrote:Garland for Franz makes sense.

it makes too much sense to happen. I like it though.

DKB333 wrote:

DowJones wrote:Garland for Franz makes sense.

it makes too much sense to happen. I like it though.

I wouldn't consider the spacing of Franz/Mobley/Allen while forcing Mitch into the sole PG role as ""too much sense" for the Cavs, nor the downgrade in talent from Franz to Garland for Orlando to be too much sense for them either.

There are scenarios it could work, but there is significant risks for both teams here.

ThatBoyNick wrote:

DKB333 wrote:

DowJones wrote:Garland for Franz makes sense.

it makes too much sense to happen. I like it though.

I wouldn't consider the spacing of Franz/Mobley/Allen while forcing Mitch into the sole PG role as ""too much sense" for the Cavs, nor the downgrade in talent from Franz to Garland for Orlando to be too much sense for them either.

There are scenarios it could work, but there is significant risks for both teams here.

This is very fair. I was looking at it more from where the Magic really need someone like Garland and that Wangner is to me just as good if not a better player then Garland. The way the Cavs are rolling it does not make sense in reality. It is a great 2K trade though.

Paolo and Franz are the least of Orlando's issues.

DKB333 wrote:

ThatBoyNick wrote:

DKB333 wrote:
it makes too much sense to happen. I like it though.

I wouldn't consider the spacing of Franz/Mobley/Allen while forcing Mitch into the sole PG role as ""too much sense" for the Cavs, nor the downgrade in talent from Franz to Garland for Orlando to be too much sense for them either.

There are scenarios it could work, but there is significant risks for both teams here.

This is very fair. I was looking at it more from where the Magic really need someone like Garland and that Wangner is to me just as good if not a better player then Garland. The way the Cavs are rolling it does not make sense in reality. It is a great 2K trade though.

Teams as good as CLE rarely make big deals.

I'd keep Franz and trade Paolo... Paolo for Jalen Williams+Cason Wallace..?

Astaluego wrote:I'd keep Franz and trade Paolo... Paolo for Jalen Williams+Cason Wallace..?

Even if thst makes sense like a poster said before a team that is doing so well is not likely to make a huge trade. I also think that is not enough for Paolo. I am not huge on him either really.

No just no. This is like asking price for Wemby or Ant. Those two are the foundation of every move we make going forward. Full stop.

OrlandoDream wrote:No just no. This is like asking price for Wemby or Ant. Those two are the foundation of every move we make going forward. Full stop.

Then why does the team stink when Suggs is not out there? Magic fams have to be real and see that their team is not very good.They go one and done in the playoffs and their fans think they are contenders or something.

DKB333 wrote:

OrlandoDream wrote:No just no. This is like asking price for Wemby or Ant. Those two are the foundation of every move we make going forward. Full stop.

Then why does the team stink when Suggs is not out there? Magic fams have to be real and see that their team is not very good.They go one and done in the playoffs and their fans think they are contenders or something.

I could write you an essay on that but it all boils down to our three best players playing total of 91 minutes this season. Loosing Suggs and Mo our 3rd and 4th leading scorers in a team that is so devoid of offensive talent killed us. That and our stupid from office did NOTHING at the deadline to replace their scoring.

Yeah we have issues to address but Paolo/Franz are not the problem. They are avg damn near all NBA numbers in 2025. Its everyone else that sucks 99% of the games.

You want more explanation check out the Orlando thread in general board to see why we suck this year.

OrlandoDream wrote:

DKB333 wrote:

OrlandoDream wrote:No just no. This is like asking price for Wemby or Ant. Those two are the foundation of every move we make going forward. Full stop.

Then why does the team stink when Suggs is not out there? Magic fams have to be real and see that their team is not very good.They go one and done in the playoffs and their fans think they are contenders or something.

I could write you an essay on that but it all boils down to our three best players playing total of 91 minutes this season. Loosing Suggs and Mo our 3rd and 4th leading scorers in a team that is so devoid of offensive talent killed us. That and our stupid from office did NOTHING at the deadline to replace their scoring.

Yeah we have issues to address but Paolo/Franz are not the problem. They are avg damn near all NBA numbers in 2025. Its everyone else that sucks 99% of the games.

You want more explanation check out the Orlando thread in general board to see why we suck this year.

The roster is not great outside of their best three players. I am not sure what the cap is like there but picking up KCP was a fail. They need a true guard like Trae Young but do not have any assets other then the core players. Even their picks hold less value because they are a mid team.

Paolo, WCJ and KCP for Booker?

Slim Charless wrote:Paolo, WCJ and KCP for Booker?

Magic should do that...although I admit I'm not a Paolo fan...I think he's a younger version of Randle (as an archetype), very good player but a bad fit in the NBA...it conditions you to build very specifically around him, if you want to be successful or he will be a liability on the court.

DKB333 wrote:

OrlandoDream wrote:No just no. This is like asking price for Wemby or Ant. Those two are the foundation of every move we make going forward. Full stop.

Then why does the team stink when Suggs is not out there? Magic fams have to be real and see that their team is not very good.They go one and done in the playoffs and their fans think they are contenders or something.

Paolo/franz/suggs have all had significant injuries and have barely played together all year. But it's really the front office is why. We are spending well north of 100m in cap right now on guys who have contributed absolutely nothing this year. Issac has been terrible, kcp has been terrible, wcj has been terrible, Gary Harris still gets minutes and he legit scores 0 points a game. They messed up the draft bad with that Jett Howard pick who looks like a complete bust, Anthony black has been very meh also. We had glaring needs at point guard and three point shooting and nothing was done to address it. Poorly constructed roster around those guys plus bad injury luck is why we are where we are right now.