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What's T. Young's future? He could "expire" by the end of next year, as he has a PO, with several teams (some in large markets) with salary flexibility or ways to create it. The Hawks are competitive but are far from contending. Would it be smart for the Hawks to move him this summer? And don't have to deal with his extension or him leaving for free? Which teams and what offers could we see? Or, on the contrary, do you think Atlanta gives him maximum money and he stays there long-term? Thoughts? (I like him with the Wolves.)

I am keeping my eye on the Atlanta situation, as I like Young more than most. I love what floor raisers can do for your team, especially when you can put the right pieces around them. Now, I don't think he is a #1 on a contender, maybe a number 2 or 3, but he is much better than #1 on a sub .500 team.

Atlanta has been bad at managing their timeline, and I think it is ultimately going to cost them big. Trae was really unique in that he was a rare instance of a player who was really good, really quickly. It usually takes rookies 3-4 years to figure out what is going on during a game, and be predictive, rather than reactive. Trae IQ is so good, that he was able to quarterback top ten offenses, if I remember correctly, like 6 of his first 7 years. That is fairly unheard of. They put veterans around him too quickly, and didn't properly build up their asset pool. So they had success pretty quickly, but blew through their assets, and now all of it is pretty much gone (DJM, CC, BB). They also got cheap, so they have had to dump contracts.

Now you have Young, trending upward toward his peak, on a middling Hawks team. You have to imagine that Trae would want to be on a really good team for the next four years, so I think this is a danger zone for Atlanta entering Trae's expiring season. I'd say it is 50/50 he demands out this offseason, or maybe even worse, he demands a ridiculous contract extension, which will make it even harder for the team going forward.

For Atlanta, they lucked into another set of good assets, in JJ, DD, ZR. They are all probably gonna be nice pieces, but the issue is they won't be for another 3 years, when Trae is 29, on back end of his prime. And this is what I mean by bad at timelines, they probably should have moved all these guys for win now players to properly build around Trae. On the current trajectory 3-4 years of his prime are basically wasted.

Anyway, just my 2 cents....teams with bad timelines always irritate me, as I come from the school of asset management.

Need to find a true allstar center for Young to play with

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I've even be keen on swapping Trae for Ja

SlimShady83 wrote:Need to find a true allstar center for Young to play with

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I've even be keen on swapping Trae for Ja

What's going on with Adebayo? What are the Heat doing? I can't believe Miami's interest in KD... Don't you want to extend Butler for a few months, then pay for assets to get an older KD? I don't see it. They're not going under, but they're probably open to a reorganization?
Bam+Wiggins for Risacher/OO/Mann/Niang+2 FRP??

Trae/DD/Wiggins/JJ/Adebayo
This team would have to make some noise and with room for growth.

LarsV8 wrote:I am keeping my eye on the Atlanta situation, as I like Young more than most. I love what floor raisers can do for your team, especially when you can put the right pieces around them. Now, I don't think he is a #1 on a contender, maybe a number 2 or 3, but he is much better than #1 on a sub .500 team.

Atlanta has been bad at managing their timeline, and I think it is ultimately going to cost them big. Trae was really unique in that he was a rare instance of a player who was really good, really quickly. It usually takes rookies 3-4 years to figure out what is going on during a game, and be predictive, rather than reactive. Trae IQ is so good, that he was able to quarterback top ten offenses, if I remember correctly, like 6 of his first 7 years. That is fairly unheard of. They put veterans around him too quickly, and didn't properly build up their asset pool. So they had success pretty quickly, but blew through their assets, and now all of it is pretty much gone (DJM, CC, BB). They also got cheap, so they have had to dump contracts.

Now you have Young, trending upward toward his peak, on a middling Hawks team. You have to imagine that Trae would want to be on a really good team for the next four years, so I think this is a danger zone for Atlanta entering Trae's expiring season. I'd say it is 50/50 he demands out this offseason, or maybe even worse, he demands a ridiculous contract extension, which will make it even harder for the team going forward.

For Atlanta, they lucked into another set of good assets, in JJ, DD, ZR. They are all probably gonna be nice pieces, but the issue is they won't be for another 3 years, when Trae is 29, on back end of his prime. And this is what I mean by bad at timelines, they probably should have moved all these guys for win now players to properly build around Trae. On the current trajectory 3-4 years of his prime are basically wasted.

Anyway, just my 2 cents....teams with bad timelines always irritate me, as I come from the school of asset management.

Everyone has their takes, but this is fairly poor even for RGMers. Timeline is perfect for the Hawks. Multiple players are entering their physical primes. JJ is already all star caliber atp. Dyson is 1st team all defensive nba team caliber. OO is entering his physical prime at 24. Really nice vets that fit the team in Niang, Levert, Mann, Nance, etc.

Risacher has a high floor, but questionable ceiling. Even still he'll be ready to be the full time starter at sf by next season. Some can argue he's ready now as starts but doesn't finish games... Not to mention all the flexibility this Offs. Hawks are in a really nice spot truth be told.

LarsV8 wrote:I am keeping my eye on the Atlanta situation, as I like Young more than most. I love what floor raisers can do for your team, especially when you can put the right pieces around them. Now, I don't think he is a #1 on a contender, maybe a number 2 or 3, but he is much better than #1 on a sub .500 team.

Atlanta has been bad at managing their timeline, and I think it is ultimately going to cost them big. Trae was really unique in that he was a rare instance of a player who was really good, really quickly. It usually takes rookies 3-4 years to figure out what is going on during a game, and be predictive, rather than reactive. Trae IQ is so good, that he was able to quarterback top ten offenses, if I remember correctly, like 6 of his first 7 years. That is fairly unheard of. They put veterans around him too quickly, and didn't properly build up their asset pool. So they had success pretty quickly, but blew through their assets, and now all of it is pretty much gone (DJM, CC, BB). They also got cheap, so they have had to dump contracts.

Now you have Young, trending upward toward his peak, on a middling Hawks team. You have to imagine that Trae would want to be on a really good team for the next four years, so I think this is a danger zone for Atlanta entering Trae's expiring season. I'd say it is 50/50 he demands out this offseason, or maybe even worse, he demands a ridiculous contract extension, which will make it even harder for the team going forward.

For Atlanta, they lucked into another set of good assets, in JJ, DD, ZR. They are all probably gonna be nice pieces, but the issue is they won't be for another 3 years, when Trae is 29, on back end of his prime. And this is what I mean by bad at timelines, they probably should have moved all these guys for win now players to properly build around Trae. On the current trajectory 3-4 years of his prime are basically wasted.

Anyway, just my 2 cents....teams with bad timelines always irritate me, as I come from the school of asset management.

Trae appears to be in a good place with the organization and more importantly Quin Snyder. He understood the plan for this season, it's unfortunate that Jalen Johnson got injured.
This offseason is a pivotal season for the front office.

It was no secret at the time that Young was frustrated that the two-year experiment pairing him with Dejounte Murray hadn’t worked. All parties involved have been clear: Young never asked the team for a trade. But it also seems clear he wouldn’t have argued with a deal either, especially one sending him to Southern California, where he already has an off-season home.

Except it didn’t happen. Eight days after Young’s tweet, the Hawks sent Murray to New Orleans in exchange for two first-rounders, Larry Nance Jr, 21-year-old Australian Dyson Daniels and more.

The trade has only aged better and better for Atlanta in the time since. Nance has become a key stabilizing vet presence, and Daniels has more than lived up to his “Great Barrier Thief” nickname, giving the Hawks a much-needed defensive menace while doubling his scoring output from last season.

But most of all, the deal created clarity for and around Young.

So trading Murray helped. But it would take more, with effort on both sides. During Summer League, Young flew to Las Vegas to spend time with the Hawks’ newest players. Afterward, the team brass took Young out to dinner, making sure it was a two-way conversation, asking Young about his frustrations and promising to improve communication with their franchise star. 

Young’s relationship with Hawks head coach Quin Snyder also made a difference. Young has had some, um, head coach issues before (see: McMillan, Nate), but he and Snyder have long been kindred spirits and will often text deep into the early morning hours about small moments of a particular game or something Snyder has noticed on film.

This summer, Snyder asked Young to buy in to what would be yet another fresh start for the organization he’s played for since 2018. Young said yes.

https://www.slamonline.com/the-magazine/slam-254/trae-young-talks-the-art-of-the-assist-and-future-in-atlanta/

The typical he’s worth more to Atlanta than any other team. He’s their captain and has brought relevancy to the club and has cultural ties. Moving him would mean more than just trying to build a better team.

He’s also quickly due for another heavy max and with how the league is now shying away from investing so much money in one player I’m not sure Atlanta has much choices outside of resigning and trying their best to build properly around him (for better or worse).

Really tough to project what Trae looks like on a contending team...You KNOW that, on every level from AAU to the NBA, he's been the one-man system...Hard to imagine how it works with another legit All-Star on his team. Not saying he's selfish but he plays one of the most ball-dominant games in NBA history. I'm a fan, but it's something that can't be assumed...even if a guy IS all about winning and willing to subjugate himself for the better of the team - he probably wouldn't even know how. I know the Dejounte experiment was considered a fail and the whole idea was not to take the ball out of Trae's hands...it was just to get him a little on-ball help.

Has he had any Olympic or Nat'l team experience? It's a really interesting question...he's obviously a great passer, but that doesn't make it a championship offensive scheme.

Orl desperately needs backcourt scoring, shooting, and playmaking...they have defensive aces to cover a weak spot in the lineup...but I still have reservations about how he does with Paolo and Franz

SlimShady83 wrote:Need to find a true allstar center for Young to play with

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I've even be keen on swapping Trae for Ja

Last thing I'd do if I had Jokic would be bringing in a heliocentric PG who takes the ball off his hands, can't defend and is an inefficient shooter. Really the opposite of what Jokic needs.

Skybox wrote:Has he had any Olympic or Nat'l team experience?

Since 2018, Lloyd Pierce has been an assistance coach for the US national team. As long as he is a coach, Trae will never make the team (even though he has stated publicly about wanting to be on it). They have a lot of extremely toxic history dating back from Pierce's time as Atlanta head coach (including Pierce calling other coaches, telling them not vote for Trae to be an all-star).

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dms269 wrote:

Skybox wrote:Has he had any Olympic or Nat'l team experience?

Since 2018, Lloyd Pierce has been an assistance coach for the US national team. As long as he is a coach, Trae will never make the team (even though he has stated publicly about wanting to be on it). They have a lot of extremely toxic history dating back from Pierce's time as Atlanta head coach (including Pierce calling other coaches, telling them not vote for Trae to be an all-star).

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Sorry, but I don't buy it: if the head coach wanted him on the team, he'd be on it. You think if Steph or Booker or KD or any player that clearly belongs there had any beef with an assistant coach it would be an issue? of course not.

Fact of the matter is, Trae isn't traded because he already is where he's valued the most: in a team where no one but him can create worth crap, and they're happy paying him the max to be in the treadmill. He should stay.

wemby wrote:Fact of the matter is, Trae isn't traded because he already is where he's valued the most: in a team where no one but him can create worth crap, and they're happy paying him the max to be in the treadmill. He should stay.

Hawks the only treadmill team starting checks 3 guys still on their rookie contract.

Trae 26 yrs old
Dyson 21 yrs old
Risacher 19 yrs old
Johnson 23 yrs old (22 yr old Gueye has been starting for him)
Okongwu 24 yrs old

And obviously 20/10/5 Johnson is out for the year and hawks were multiple games above .500 when he went down. More like hawks have built their team around Trae and don’t have their own picks is why he hasn’t been moved. Hawks 6th most injuries with a young team and still in the playoff race.

Astaluego wrote:

SlimShady83 wrote:Need to find a true allstar center for Young to play with

Jokic
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I've even be keen on swapping Trae for Ja

What's going on with Adebayo? What are the Heat doing? I can't believe Miami's interest in KD... Don't you want to extend Butler for a few months, then pay for assets to get an older KD? I don't see it. They're not going under, but they're probably open to a reorganization?
Bam+Wiggins for Risacher/OO/Mann/Niang+2 FRP??

Trae/DD/Wiggins/JJ/Adebayo
This team would have to make some noise and with room for growth.

Why would Miami do that? We'd be more likely to try and add Trae to Bam and Herro

BBallFreak wrote:

Astaluego wrote:

SlimShady83 wrote:Need to find a true allstar center for Young to play with

Jokic
AD

I've even be keen on swapping Trae for Ja

What's going on with Adebayo? What are the Heat doing? I can't believe Miami's interest in KD... Don't you want to extend Butler for a few months, then pay for assets to get an older KD? I don't see it. They're not going under, but they're probably open to a reorganization?
Bam+Wiggins for Risacher/OO/Mann/Niang+2 FRP??

Trae/DD/Wiggins/JJ/Adebayo
This team would have to make some noise and with room for growth.

Why would Miami do that? We'd be more likely to try and add Trae to Bam and Herro

On the flip side, Miami doesn't have enough premium assets to entice the Hawks to trade in conference.

*Traed Young

Ball4life32 wrote:

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wemby wrote:Fact of the matter is, Trae isn't traded because he already is where he's valued the most: in a team where no one but him can create worth crap, and they're happy paying him the max to be in the treadmill. He should stay.

Hawks the only treadmill team starting checks 3 guys still on their rookie contract.

Trae 26 yrs old
Dyson 21 yrs old
Risacher 19 yrs old
Johnson 23 yrs old (22 yr old Gueye has been starting for him)
Okongwu 24 yrs old

And obviously 20/10/5 Johnson is out for the year and hawks were multiple games above .500 when he went down. More like hawks have built their team around Trae and don’t have their own picks is why he hasn’t been moved. Hawks 6th most injuries with a young team and still in the playoff race.

Hawks are in the playin because the East is comically bad, in the West they'd be 11th and out altogether right now. But even in the East, they'd be first round fodder even with Jalen Johnson, who by the way is injured A LOT so I wouldn't say this is an anomaly. Bottom line, any team where Trae is the best player is far, far away from contention.

There’s not many teams that truly have a need for a guard like Trae when you really think about it

- Orlando
- Miami
- Brooklyn
- Minnesota
- Phoenix

From those five teams two teams are in the same division and makes it a little more complicated.

Then when you dissect what Atlanta would potentially want in a trade you can cross out Phoenix.

Minnesota is in the 2nd apron and don’t think Atlanta would want to swap Young for Gobert.

Orlando is going from one of the cheapest payrolls in the league to one of the most expensive with Paolos looming max, I don’t personally see the Magic showing interest just simply due to financials.

Miami doesn’t seem to have the assets to acquire Young.

Brooklyn may be the only team after all said. They have cap, picks and solid veteran players that could entice the Hawks.

There’s obviously a few wildhorse teams that may show interest, but other moves would have to be made or direction of team would need to change for it to be practical.

wemby wrote:

Ball4life32 wrote:

Spoiler:

wemby wrote:Fact of the matter is, Trae isn't traded because he already is where he's valued the most: in a team where no one but him can create worth crap, and they're happy paying him the max to be in the treadmill. He should stay.

Hawks the only treadmill team starting checks 3 guys still on their rookie contract.

Trae 26 yrs old
Dyson 21 yrs old
Risacher 19 yrs old
Johnson 23 yrs old (22 yr old Gueye has been starting for him)
Okongwu 24 yrs old

And obviously 20/10/5 Johnson is out for the year and hawks were multiple games above .500 when he went down. More like hawks have built their team around Trae and don’t have their own picks is why he hasn’t been moved. Hawks 6th most injuries with a young team and still in the playoff race.

Hawks are in the playin because the East is comically bad, in the West they'd be 11th and out altogether right now. But even in the East, they'd be first round fodder even with Jalen Johnson, who by the way is injured A LOT so I wouldn't say this is an anomaly. Bottom line, any team where Trae is the best player is far, far away from contention.

I said playoff race which Hawks would technically be in even if they were in the West and they’re younger than every play in team (West or East) other than maybe the Magic. Point is hawks are too young to be stuck on the treadmill (plus have money to spend this summer) which was my point before for you had to throw in you’re comments about Trae like we haven’t already seen him led a team to an ECF (got hurt when hawks were ahead in the series btw) as a #1 with zero all star teammates.

And JJ’s injuries have been minor so not a ton worried long term, he had +13 on/off when he went down….he makes a huge impact when he’s healthy and makes hawks a lot better team.

Any chance of Trae going to Kings in some sort of trade? Just had a thought, while watching today's game