Assuming draft positions stay about the same
Port trades #9 pick and RWill (I'm assigning him negative value here-Port saves $13 million and still has 3 centers, and gets a TPE)
Port gets their pick back from Chi (looks more likely to have value now), #21 from BRK (Milw pick) and the #35 (BRK 2nd), plus either the #23 or #27 (Chi gets the other)
BRK trades #21 (Milw), #23 (Hous), #27 (NY), #35 and cap space
BRK gets #9 (maybe too good for them, not sure)
Chi trades Port future pick
Chi gets NY or Hou pick (currently #23 or #27)
Chi gets a for sure pick now, to help the rebuild. They buyout JCarter to provide the space
Brk gets a 2nd top 10 pick and keeps 2026 cap space open. They add 2 rookies instead of 5
Port saves a bunch of $ and adds 3 cheaper rookies for depth. They go into next year with
Henderson/Simons
Sharpe/Simons
Deni/Grant
Camara/Grant
Ayton/Clingan
Murray and the 3 rookies provide deep bench
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Pass for POR. RW is not negative value.
Not moving a lotto pick and a productive player for crappier picks.
Not moving a lotto pick and a productive player for crappier picks.
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JRoy wrote:Pass for POR. RW is not negative value.
Not moving a lotto pick and a productive player for crappier picks.
I don't think Port could trade RWill into cap space without a sweetener, would you agree? That would make him negative value-maybe I'm wrong.
So, I have Port saving $13 million and getting a TPE
Then, they add #21, another pick in the 20's and a #35 pick for #9, PLUS they get their pick back from Chi-that's a good haul, I think
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pipfan wrote:JRoy wrote:Pass for POR. RW is not negative value.
Not moving a lotto pick and a productive player for crappier picks.
I don't think Port could trade RWill into cap space without a sweetener, would you agree? That would make him negative value-maybe I'm wrong.
So, I have Port saving $13 million and getting a TPE
Then, they add #21, another pick in the 20's and a #35 pick for #9, PLUS they get their pick back from Chi-that's a good haul, I think
I do disagree about RWs value. Since he hasn’t been traded it seems like POR and the rest of the league also disagree about his value.
I value the POR pick as a SRP so this package does not entice for a team that needs top end talent more than depth.
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JRoy wrote:pipfan wrote:JRoy wrote:Pass for POR. RW is not negative value.
Not moving a lotto pick and a productive player for crappier picks.
I don't think Port could trade RWill into cap space without a sweetener, would you agree? That would make him negative value-maybe I'm wrong.
So, I have Port saving $13 million and getting a TPE
Then, they add #21, another pick in the 20's and a #35 pick for #9, PLUS they get their pick back from Chi-that's a good haul, I think
I do disagree about RWs value. Since he hasn’t been traded it seems like POR and the rest of the league also disagree about his value.
I value the POR pick as a SRP so this package does not entice for a team that needs top end talent more than depth.
Fair enough, I like RWill as a player, but his injury history really limits his value. Of course, him being expiring next year means it's not a big deal for Port, but saving $13 million is good for any team, especially one that has Ayton/Clingan already, and Reath signed as a 3rd emergency center
As for the Port pick, I think there's a good chance it converts over the next 3 seasons. Port has a nice nucleus. If Henderson/Sharpe continue to develop I see them as a playoff contender next year, and most likely in the top 8 by 2027 (or even 28). That's a #15-20 pick that would be going out (I think) in a season when things are looking up and they could use the cheap depth.
Of course, it also allows Port to use Grant's bloated salary, attach their own picks, and deal for a star potential in a year or so
It's not a slam dunk for Port, I know. But adding #21/#35 and another pick (#25 let's say), plus getting their pick back, plus saving $13 million, is a lot for the #9.
Thanks for your feedback-appreciated
My original deal was just Port pick to BRK for one of their late firsts, but I wanted to fold Port in
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pipfan wrote:JRoy wrote:pipfan wrote:I don't think Port could trade RWill into cap space without a sweetener, would you agree? That would make him negative value-maybe I'm wrong.
So, I have Port saving $13 million and getting a TPE
Then, they add #21, another pick in the 20's and a #35 pick for #9, PLUS they get their pick back from Chi-that's a good haul, I think
I do disagree about RWs value. Since he hasn’t been traded it seems like POR and the rest of the league also disagree about his value.
I value the POR pick as a SRP so this package does not entice for a team that needs top end talent more than depth.
Fair enough, I like RWill as a player, but his injury history really limits his value. Of course, him being expiring next year means it's not a big deal for Port, but saving $13 million is good for any team, especially one that has Ayton/Clingan already, and Reath signed as a 3rd emergency center
As for the Port pick, I think there's a good chance it converts over the next 3 seasons. Port has a nice nucleus. If Henderson/Sharpe continue to develop I see them as a playoff contender next year, and most likely in the top 8 by 2027 (or even 28). That's a #15-20 pick that would be going out (I think) in a season when things are looking up and they could use the cheap depth.
Of course, it also allows Port to use Grant's bloated salary, attach their own picks, and deal for a star potential in a year or so
It's not a slam dunk for Port, I know. But adding #21/#35 and another pick (#25 let's say), plus getting their pick back, plus saving $13 million, is a lot for the #9.
Thanks for your feedback-appreciated
My original deal was just Port pick to BRK for one of their late firsts, but I wanted to fold Port in
Appreciated the idea. Would love to get the POR pick back, but not sending out a lotto pick to get a package of other stuff we don’t want.
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This is really bad for Portland. Quality over quantity with picks.
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I am still convinced PORT is the only team that gets value out of that protected pick in that they can then trade future picks. The Bulls getting anything for it is good enough.
I just don't know if getting #23 or #27 is going to give them much to rebuild with. 14 of their 15 players are under contract next year, Tre Jones UFA. They have 6 expiring contracts, Giddey is a RFA. They have their pick so that's 15. How many of their expiring guys can they expect to trade and get fewer players back to make room for that mid 20's rookie? Does he just go to the G League, plenty of 2nd round guys could do that.
I would rather ask for a future pick, maybe 2026, 27, 28 to take a gamble on a team falling apart and ending up in the lottery , top 5?
I just don't know if getting #23 or #27 is going to give them much to rebuild with. 14 of their 15 players are under contract next year, Tre Jones UFA. They have 6 expiring contracts, Giddey is a RFA. They have their pick so that's 15. How many of their expiring guys can they expect to trade and get fewer players back to make room for that mid 20's rookie? Does he just go to the G League, plenty of 2nd round guys could do that.
I would rather ask for a future pick, maybe 2026, 27, 28 to take a gamble on a team falling apart and ending up in the lottery , top 5?
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Assuming Portland is #9 and Chicago is #10 -> The easy solution is just to swap picks.
#9 <-> #10 + Portland first returned
#9 <-> #10 + Portland first returned
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Blazers aren’t dropping out of the lottery of a good draft to save money when they are starving to find a franchise player.
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First to address rw3... my interpretation on neutral value and I believe for this board is an expiring contract and cap space to be of positive value... and of expiring contracts he is very productive and would fit on any team while healthyhis... though often injured he is expiring
Then the picks..
Portland though they are getting a little better are lacking in top tier Talent which is the most important thing in trying to create an NBA championship team plus the value of the picks... nba draft value in my interpretation is based on a logarithmic scale since the later you go the lower your chances are dramatically of not only top end Talent but also the good enough to stay in the league Talent
Then the picks..
Portland though they are getting a little better are lacking in top tier Talent which is the most important thing in trying to create an NBA championship team plus the value of the picks... nba draft value in my interpretation is based on a logarithmic scale since the later you go the lower your chances are dramatically of not only top end Talent but also the good enough to stay in the league Talent
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