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The Raptors are doing a 1 year rebuild. They brought in Ingram and they want to compete next year. They have above average pieces across the board.

What can Barrett, Dick and the 7th pick get them?

They need more talent to round out their starting line up. Masai has been adamant about the 6'9 line up. Would Markannen make sense?

Poeltl / 2025 2nd
Markannen / Mogbo
Ingram / Agbaji / Battle
Barnes / Walter
IQ / Shead

The Jazz are rebuilding and tanking for a high pick. They'd get two picks in the top ten in a strong draft, Dick a high upside shooter, and Barrett has been a solid player and shown improvement in Toronto.

Toronto's line up would lack balance but they need to accumulate more talent.

Is there another player that's available for that package and could fit better?

I think Barrett + Poeltl + #7 gets Gobert in a 3-team deal and upgrades Center to a player who revolutionizes a teams identity.

The problem with the package of RJ + Gradey + #7 is you are offering essentially two undersized wings and a middle lottery 1st. What teams want to add two "SG"?

That makes me think this needs to be a 3-team.

MPJ for Barrett + Gradey?

Toronto adds a high-volume 3P shooter who has excellent size for a wing and a winning pedigree. Denver adds needed depth.

Thaddy wrote:The Raptors are doing a 1 year rebuild. They brought in Ingram and they want to compete next year. They have above average pieces across the board.

What can Barrett, Dick and the 7th pick get them?

They need more talent to round out their starting line up. Masai has been adamant about the 6'9 line up. Would Markannen make sense?

Poeltl / 2025 2nd
Markannen / Mogbo
Ingram / Agbaji / Battle
Barnes / Walter
IQ / Shead

The Jazz are rebuilding and tanking for a high pick. They'd get two picks in the top ten in a strong draft, Dick a high upside shooter, and Barrett has been a solid player and shown improvement in Toronto.

Toronto's line up would lack balance but they need to accumulate more talent.

Is there another player that's available for that package and could fit better?

Outside opinion here....

I think this would be a MASSIVE overpay for Lauri.

Lauri has a nice skill set, but he's a complementary player on a star salary.... If I'm the Raptors, the most I'd pay is Barrett + Gradey.

Two things I agree with.

I think that's way too much for Markkanen
and it's hard to package Barrett and Graddey together to one team.

I would like Barrett for the Bulls, probably at the 3 because CHI already has way too many guards and would have to move 4-5 of what they have anyway. Wouldn't mind seeing Dick in the red uniforms but again they'd have to clear space to get him.

ReggiesKnicks wrote:I think Barrett + Poeltl + #7 gets Gobert in a 3-team deal and upgrades Center to a player who revolutionizes a teams identity.

The problem with the package of RJ + Gradey + #7 is you are offering essentially two undersized wings and a middle lottery 1st. What teams want to add two "SG"?

That makes me think this needs to be a 3-team.

MPJ for Barrett + Gradey?

Toronto adds a high-volume 3P shooter who has excellent size for a wing and a winning pedigree. Denver adds needed depth.

Toronto doesn't want MPJ

Mr Swagtastic wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:I think Barrett + Poeltl + #7 gets Gobert in a 3-team deal and upgrades Center to a player who revolutionizes a teams identity.

The problem with the package of RJ + Gradey + #7 is you are offering essentially two undersized wings and a middle lottery 1st. What teams want to add two "SG"?

That makes me think this needs to be a 3-team.

MPJ for Barrett + Gradey?

Toronto adds a high-volume 3P shooter who has excellent size for a wing and a winning pedigree. Denver adds needed depth.

Toronto doesn't want MPJ

And teams don't want RJ Barrett or Gradey Dick as centerpieces for anything better than Michael Porter Jr.


What's your point here?

The only thing I’ve learned from this discussion of the upcoming off-season is that trading for Markkanen is going to be really difficult.

He is an elite shooter for a big… that has a very large, long contract.
He regressed this year… but was apparently trying new things for a tanking team.
He was Ainge’s masterstroke in the Mitchell deal… but he may have held him too long.
He hurts the Jazz when they’re trying to tank… but they won’t sell him based off this year’s numbers.

It’s a damn mess, really. I don’t even know what he’s worth at this point.

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

Mr Swagtastic wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:I think Barrett + Poeltl + #7 gets Gobert in a 3-team deal and upgrades Center to a player who revolutionizes a teams identity.

The problem with the package of RJ + Gradey + #7 is you are offering essentially two undersized wings and a middle lottery 1st. What teams want to add two "SG"?

That makes me think this needs to be a 3-team.

MPJ for Barrett + Gradey?

Toronto adds a high-volume 3P shooter who has excellent size for a wing and a winning pedigree. Denver adds needed depth.

Toronto doesn't want MPJ

And teams don't want RJ Barrett or Gradey Dick as centerpieces for anything better than Michael Porter Jr.


What's your point here?

Simple, MPJ and Ingram are a horrible fit both a high usage scorers who are bad defenders and have questionable deals. Toronto can't afford that team and where us MPJ going to play?

Barnes and BI are SF/PF and Poeltl is the C for now. I don't see how one of Barnes, MPJ, Ingram play SG. Toronto isn't moving a pick this year plus a recent lotto pick as well. Also add in the fact the whole issue with his brother betting on games and it's a easy no

Mr Swagtastic wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

Mr Swagtastic wrote:Toronto doesn't want MPJ

And teams don't want RJ Barrett or Gradey Dick as centerpieces for anything better than Michael Porter Jr.


What's your point here?

Simple, MPJ and Ingram are a horrible fit both a high usage scorers who are bad defenders and have questionable deals. Toronto can't afford that team and where us MPJ going to play?

Barnes and BI are SF/PF and Poeltl is the C for now. I don't see how one of Barnes, MPJ, Ingram play SG. Toronto isn't moving a pick this year plus a recent lotto pick as well. Also add in the fact the whole issue with his brother betting on games and it's a easy no

MPJ isn't a high usage scorer. Are you thinking of someone else?

Ingram has nearly 50% MORE usage than MPJ.

Maybe you can help me out here and bring me back to what OP wants. OP wants to add Lauri Markkanen. I assume you don't think Lauri would fit either? Or how could they afford Lauri?

Why didn't you quote OP regarding that fit? Maybe you could respond to him here!

Thaddy wrote:
What can Barrett, Dick and the 7th pick get them?

They need more talent to round out their starting line up. Masai has been adamant about the 6'9 line up. Would Markannen make sense?

Poeltl / 2025 2nd
Markannen / Mogbo
Ingram / Agbaji / Battle
Barnes / Walter
IQ / Shead

Mr Swagtastic doesn't think Lauri is a good fit per positional fit nor can Toronto afford him.

Lauri is a worse shooter, larger player and larger contract than MPJ, yet you for some reason singled out MPJ?

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

Mr Swagtastic wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
And teams don't want RJ Barrett or Gradey Dick as centerpieces for anything better than Michael Porter Jr.


What's your point here?

Simple, MPJ and Ingram are a horrible fit both a high usage scorers who are bad defenders and have questionable deals. Toronto can't afford that team and where us MPJ going to play?

Barnes and BI are SF/PF and Poeltl is the C for now. I don't see how one of Barnes, MPJ, Ingram play SG. Toronto isn't moving a pick this year plus a recent lotto pick as well. Also add in the fact the whole issue with his brother betting on games and it's a easy no

MPJ isn't a high usage scorer. Are you thinking of someone else?

Ingram has nearly 50% MORE usage than MPJ.

Maybe you can help me out here and bring me back to what OP wants. OP wants to add Lauri Markkanen. I assume you don't think Lauri would fit either? Or how could they afford Lauri?

Why didn't you quote OP regarding that fit? Maybe you could respond to him here!

Thaddy wrote:
What can Barrett, Dick and the 7th pick get them?

They need more talent to round out their starting line up. Masai has been adamant about the 6'9 line up. Would Markannen make sense?

Poeltl / 2025 2nd
Markannen / Mogbo
Ingram / Agbaji / Battle
Barnes / Walter
IQ / Shead

Mr Swagtastic doesn't think Lauri is a good fit per positional fit nor can Toronto afford him.

Lauri is a worse shooter, larger player and larger contract than MPJ, yet you for some reason singled out MPJ?

I kinda did saying Barnes isn't a SG, I think some people on here get caught up with names like player(s) a/b/c are rumoured to be on the block how can we fit them and don't really focus on fit and cap.

MPJ to me would've made sense pre Ingram both guys are scorers who aren't the best defensive players like I said. I think in a vacuum MPJ is the slightly better player than BI but I don't see Toronto moving a lotto pick this year plus Gradey who has good upside and Barrett who fits this team for guys like MPJ, Lauri or similar guys. Gobert would've made sense but Yak plus Gradey and #7 is a overpay. I still like the Sabonis idea to Toronto. JJJ would have been a great fit but Memphis isn't moving him now. If Portland slips in the draft and Toronto is at #4 maybe something around #4 for Clingan plus?

I don't see many routes for that package to result in a meaningful upgrade. Lauri, I think, is the most obvious choice r/e talent, but I hate the defensive fit of the resulting team. Ideally you'd find a shooting guard who is young and not a defensive sieve whose salary matches well. The closest is kind of Booker? But the deal would need more value.

babyjax13 wrote:I don't see many routes for that package to result in a meaningful upgrade. Lauri, I think, is the most obvious choice r/e talent, but I hate the defensive fit of the resulting team. Ideally you'd find a shooting guard who is young and not a defensive sieve whose salary matches well. The closest is kind of Booker? But the deal would need more value.

It's possible. If the Suns are in the lottery, Toronto is picking 5-7, and the Suns scouts like the prospects.

Barrett + 5th + Dick

I think that would be a solid fit for Toronto and gives the Suns a nice rebuild package they can add the Durant deal too.

Thaddy wrote:

babyjax13 wrote:I don't see many routes for that package to result in a meaningful upgrade. Lauri, I think, is the most obvious choice r/e talent, but I hate the defensive fit of the resulting team. Ideally you'd find a shooting guard who is young and not a defensive sieve whose salary matches well. The closest is kind of Booker? But the deal would need more value.

It's possible. If the Suns are in the lottery, Toronto is picking 5-7, and the Suns scouts like the prospects.

Barrett + 5th + Dick

I think that would be a solid fit for Toronto and gives the Suns a nice rebuild package they can add the Durant deal too.

I don't think that's even close for Booker. RJ is at best neutral value on that contract. He's still inefficient, he's still average at best defensively, and he still demands to have the ball in his hands. I think he's an awesome 6th man with his volume, but those guys don't get paid what he gets paid. Dick is fine, probably same value as mid-first, but I think that pick would have to be #2 for this to even be a conversation and because Phoenix doesn't own their future picks they can't justify it. Even at that point, though, I still don't think it is enough for Booker in a vacuum ... but again, it is closer then. At #5 it needs future picks.

I wouldn't be comfortable about giving up RJ Barrett+ Gradey Dick + 7th pick in a strong draft class for Lauri Markkanen right now if I'm the Raptors Front Office. He'a appears to have regressed from where he was last year.I don't know if his downward offensive production is the result of being a tanking team or if there's something else going on here. Maybe I completely wrong, but I not at all convinced that a 19 point per game scorer who's on a tanking team, who's not a good defender, while also making 40+ million dollars per year for the next 4 years is going have this level of trade value. Even more with the new CBA rules in place. I think Lauri would have to prove to teams next year that this year year was just a off year and gets back to being a efficient 23-25 point per game scorer before he would be worth the sort of value that the OP has.

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

Mr Swagtastic wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
And teams don't want RJ Barrett or Gradey Dick as centerpieces for anything better than Michael Porter Jr.


What's your point here?

Simple, MPJ and Ingram are a horrible fit both a high usage scorers who are bad defenders and have questionable deals. Toronto can't afford that team and where us MPJ going to play?

Barnes and BI are SF/PF and Poeltl is the C for now. I don't see how one of Barnes, MPJ, Ingram play SG. Toronto isn't moving a pick this year plus a recent lotto pick as well. Also add in the fact the whole issue with his brother betting on games and it's a easy no

MPJ isn't a high usage scorer. Are you thinking of someone else?

Ingram has nearly 50% MORE usage than MPJ.

Maybe you can help me out here and bring me back to what OP wants. OP wants to add Lauri Markkanen. I assume you don't think Lauri would fit either? Or how could they afford Lauri?

Why didn't you quote OP regarding that fit? Maybe you could respond to him here!

Thaddy wrote:
What can Barrett, Dick and the 7th pick get them?

They need more talent to round out their starting line up. Masai has been adamant about the 6'9 line up. Would Markannen make sense?

Poeltl / 2025 2nd
Markannen / Mogbo
Ingram / Agbaji / Battle
Barnes / Walter
IQ / Shead

Mr Swagtastic doesn't think Lauri is a good fit per positional fit nor can Toronto afford him.

Lauri is a worse shooter, larger player and larger contract than MPJ, yet you for some reason singled out MPJ?

MPJ has a brother who bet on basketball while a Raptor. They are not bringing in MPJ just to have all that brought up again.

facothomas22 wrote:I wouldn't be comfortable about giving up RJ Barrett+ Gradey Dick + 7th pick in a strong draft class for Lauri Markkanen right now if I'm the Raptors Front Office. He'a appears to have regressed from where he was last year.I don't know if his downward offensive production is the result of being a tanking team or if there's something else going on here. Maybe I completely wrong, but I not at all convinced that a 19 point per game scorer who's on a tanking team, who's not a good defender, while also making 40+ million dollars per year for the next 4 years is going have this level of trade value. Even more with the new CBA rules in place. I think Lauri would have to prove to teams next year that this year year was just a off year and gets back to being a efficient 23-25 point per game scorer before he would be worth the sort of value that the OP has.

I think this is perfectly reasonable. I'm confident he will be that player again, too, so not a real concern on my end.

facothomas22 wrote:He'a appears to have regressed from where he was last year.

A lot of people are echoing this sentiment regarding Lauri.

Honestly - this season is more inline with his career performance.

The prior 2 seasons have been the abnormalities.
6 of his 8 seasons he's really been kind of a 'meh' player

I'd rather trade for Lavine if I were them. Zach is undoubtedly one of the best shooters in the league and can play off the ball effectively. He won't cost you the 7th pick. Also, the OP trade, the salaries don't match up. RJ + Dicks make +/-31 million. .. Lauri 46

Cam Johnson based deal?

Barrett and hus "bad contract" is way overblown.

He is 27th in scoring and top 30 in assists while his contract is 62nd highest. Would rather that than Markkanen with a top 21 contract. Certainly wouldn't add 7th + Gradey