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Jrue and KD to the Heat (without losing Herro, Bam, Duncan or the '25 Warriors 1st)

Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2025 11:26 pm
by NYG
Boston Celtics get:
Maxi Kleber
Gabe Vincent
Top 10 Protected 2030 Miami Heat First Round Draft Pick (Unprotected 2031)

-Gives: Jrue Holiday and 2025 First Round Draft Pick (28th Overall)

Boston saves tons of money, adds some vets they could use in spot minutes and adds an asset.

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Brooklyn Nets get:
Dalton Knecht
Terry Rozier
Haywood Highsmith
2025 Boston Celtics First Round Draft Pick (28th Overall)
2031 Unprotected Los Angeles Lakers First Round Draft Pick

-Gives: Nicolas Claxton

Brooklyn takes on money using their cap space to get a big return on Claxton.

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Los Angeles Lakers get:
Nicolas Claxton

-Gives: Maxi Kleber, Gabe Vincent, Dalton Knecht and 2031 Unprotected First Round Draft Pick

Lakers get arguably the best realistic center on the market

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Miami Heat get:
Jrue Holiday

-Gives: Haywood Highsmith, Terry Rozier and Top 10 Protected 2030 Miami Heat First Round Draft Pick (Unprotected 2031)

Heat add a really good presence on the court and off of it that would be great for their culture without losing any key pieces.

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Miami Heat get:
Kevin Durant

Phoenix Suns get:
Jaime Jaquez Jr.
Kel'el Ware
Nikola Jovic
Andrew Wiggins
Kyle Anderson
Kevin Love

The Heat get KD and Jrue without losing the '25 Warriors 1st, Herro, Bam or Duncan in a pretty open Eastern Conference.

The Suns get a lot of young pieces and some vets to retool around Booker.

Re: Jrue and KD to the Heat (without losing Herro, Bam, Duncan or the '25 Warriors 1st)

Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 11:58 am
by louc1970
Not giving up 3 young players for an aging KD.

Re: Jrue and KD to the Heat (without losing Herro, Bam, Duncan or the '25 Warriors 1st)

Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2025 3:36 pm
by TheNetsFan
The value in the first trade is way too good for Boston, not a great fit for Brooklyn & probably a non-starter for Miami.

Boston is not going to save massive amounts of near and long term money plus get value for Jrue.

Miami should & will likely prioritize maintaining '26 cap space as the arguably top FA destination should.

Brooklyn already has 5 picks in '25. Adding the the 28th pick in '25 doesn't have appeal, especially at the expense of utilizing your '25 cap space monopoly on Rozier. They should be able to get a better asset from a team desperate to duck the 2nd apron or luxury tax.

Re: Jrue and KD to the Heat (without losing Herro, Bam, Duncan or the '25 Warriors 1st)

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 2:38 pm
by BBallFreak
Could Miami even put a team on the floor after this? You have us trading 8 players for 2 in exchange for players on the wrong side of 34. I'm not touching this.

Re: Jrue and KD to the Heat (without losing Herro, Bam, Duncan or the '25 Warriors 1st)

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:29 pm
by facothomas22
I'm not convinced if the Heat should even be giving up assets for a older star at this point. They are struggled massively since the trade deadline. Does Kevin Durant really make them a contender? I don't believe so. Also, the Heat are overpaying for a aging Jrue Holiday, which again isn't enough for them to be as good as the Cavaliers, Celtics or Thunder or even the lesser contenders like the Knicks, Nuggets or current version of the Warriors. There's other flaws separate from the Heat trades as well. Overall this whole trade feels DOA.

Re: Jrue and KD to the Heat (without losing Herro, Bam, Duncan or the '25 Warriors 1st)

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:34 pm
by Mr Puddles
Other than altruism, why are the Suns doing this? This is way too light for KD.

Re: Jrue and KD to the Heat (without losing Herro, Bam, Duncan or the '25 Warriors 1st)

Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2025 3:40 pm
by facothomas22
Mr Puddles wrote:Other than altruism, why are the Suns doing this?



I'm not 100% convinced the Suns are getting a massive package for KD. The teams that KD will want to go to will be a major deciding factor what the Suns can get back in a deal. If KD says he's ether going to the Timberwolves or staying, the package will worse than the OP package. At that we are talking the Pistons pick this year + Julius Randle + Rob Dillingham+ filler. The hope for the Suns should be that KD gives the Suns a good list of teams that he want go to and some of those teams are asset heavy teams like the Thunder, Rockets, Magic,etc.

Re: Jrue and KD to the Heat (without losing Herro, Bam, Duncan or the '25 Warriors 1st)

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 12:16 pm
by 165bows
TheNetsFan wrote:The value in the first trade is way too good for Boston, not a great fit for Brooklyn & probably a non-starter for Miami.

Boston is not going to save massive amounts of near and long term money plus get value for Jrue.

Miami should & will likely prioritize maintaining '26 cap space as the arguably top FA destination should.

Brooklyn already has 5 picks in '25. Adding the the 28th pick in '25 doesn't have appeal, especially at the expense of utilizing your '25 cap space monopoly on Rozier. They should be able to get a better asset from a team desperate to duck the 2nd apron or luxury tax.

There’s no chance Boston takes on trash contracts either so there’s that.

Re: Jrue and KD to the Heat (without losing Herro, Bam, Duncan or the '25 Warriors 1st)

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 1:17 pm
by brackdan70
TheNetsFan wrote:The value in the first trade is way too good for Boston, not a great fit for Brooklyn & probably a non-starter for Miami.

Boston is not going to save massive amounts of near and long term money plus get value for Jrue.

Miami should & will likely prioritize maintaining '26 cap space as the arguably top FA destination should.

Brooklyn already has 5 picks in '25. Adding the the 28th pick in '25 doesn't have appeal, especially at the expense of utilizing your '25 cap space monopoly on Rozier. They should be able to get a better asset from a team desperate to duck the 2nd apron or luxury tax.

Boston basically swaps a pick in a great draft for a high variance future pick. It’s not a huge value difference.
The players they get back don’t have trade value. They do save money in this scenario, so it might be something the Celtics consider. I think “way too good” is an exaggeration. I get the sentiment of the rest of your points though.

Re: Jrue and KD to the Heat (without losing Herro, Bam, Duncan or the '25 Warriors 1st)

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2025 4:08 pm
by Astaluego
I think this is an overpayment for Claxton... Knecht or FRP 31... not both... I love Claxton and he fits perfectly alongside Luka and JJ's defense... but he's making 25 million and is a terrible shooter, especially from the free throw line.

Re: Jrue and KD to the Heat (without losing Herro, Bam, Duncan or the '25 Warriors 1st)

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2025 4:36 pm
by 165bows
NYG wrote:Boston Celtics get:
Maxi Kleber
Gabe Vincent
Top 10 Protected 2030 Miami Heat First Round Draft Pick (Unprotected 2031)

-Gives: Jrue Holiday and 2025 First Round Draft Pick (28th Overall)

Boston saves tons of money, adds some vets they could use in spot minutes and adds an asset.

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Brooklyn Nets get:
Dalton Knecht
Terry Rozier
Haywood Highsmith
2025 Boston Celtics First Round Draft Pick (28th Overall)
2031 Unprotected Los Angeles Lakers First Round Draft Pick

-Gives: Nicolas Claxton

Brooklyn takes on money using their cap space to get a big return on Claxton.

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Los Angeles Lakers get:
Nicolas Claxton

-Gives: Maxi Kleber, Gabe Vincent, Dalton Knecht and 2031 Unprotected First Round Draft Pick

Lakers get arguably the best realistic center on the market

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Miami Heat get:
Jrue Holiday

-Gives: Haywood Highsmith, Terry Rozier and Top 10 Protected 2030 Miami Heat First Round Draft Pick (Unprotected 2031)

Heat add a really good presence on the court and off of it that would be great for their culture without losing any key pieces.

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Miami Heat get:
Kevin Durant

Phoenix Suns get:
Jaime Jaquez Jr.
Kel'el Ware
Nikola Jovic
Andrew Wiggins
Kyle Anderson
Kevin Love

The Heat get KD and Jrue without losing the '25 Warriors 1st, Herro, Bam or Duncan in a pretty open Eastern Conference.

The Suns get a lot of young pieces and some vets to retool around Booker.

It's obviously outside of realistic moves but there's a sensible move between Boston and Phoenix.

Boston sends out Porzingis/Holiday/Hauser (~73M) plus whatever assets and takes back Durant ($54M)
Phoenix sends out Durant/Grayson Allen/other $ as needed and takes back KP/JH/Hauser
Team three takes on salary in the form of Grayson Allen and whatever else from PHX

Phoenix has a nice short term fit of Holiday/Booker/Hauser/Oneal/KP
Boston trims money but goes for it in the short term White/Brown/Tatum/Durant/Committee

Kind of fantastical but makes me think that rather than less movement there may be a ton of movement as more teams have a need to make deals.