PHX/MIN

HornetJail · Post #1 » by **HornetJail** » Sat Apr 5, 2025 5:15 pm

Suns trade Durant
Wolves trade McDaniels, Randle (opted in, extends on 1+1 PO at current $30M/year when eligible), 2025 DET 1st (currently #18), protected 2032 1st swap (top 10 prot?)

Minnesota goes all in on the short term rolling out a Conley/Ant/Durant/Reid/Gobert + DDV/NAW top 7 with much more offensive firepower than before.
The Suns move on from KD before it gets messy, adding a nice defender in McDaniels, a post presence in Randle that fits the Booker timeline, and a pick, and hope for the best.

shrink · Post #2 » by **shrink** » Sat Apr 5, 2025 7:06 pm

Sources said that McDaniels is the one player we know MIN wouldn’t include in a Durant deal, at least at the deadline.

Maybe Naz sign-and-trade instead?

(Assuming all the apron stuff can get worked out for both teams).

Slim Charless · Post #3 » by **Slim Charless** » Sat Apr 5, 2025 7:19 pm

Randle would be awful with the Suns IMO. I'll take Rudy rather than Randle

jredsaz · Post #4 » by **jredsaz** » Sat Apr 5, 2025 7:48 pm

shrink wrote:Sources said that McDaniels is the one player we know MIN wouldn’t include in a Durant deal, at least at the deadline.

Maybe Naz sign-and-trade instead?

(Assuming all the apron stuff can get worked out for both teams).

Without McDaniels there isn’t a lot of value in that proposal for the Suns. I agree that the Wilves love McDaniels. They crowed about keeping him in the Gobert deal. They might value him more than any other team which might make this deal look very different than we expect.

LarsV8 · Post #5 » by **LarsV8** » Sat Apr 5, 2025 7:49 pm

Seems fair, good deal.

shrink · Post #6 » by **shrink** » Sat Apr 5, 2025 7:53 pm

Slim Charless wrote:Randle would be awful with the Suns IMO. I'll take Rudy rather than Randle

Randle has really enjoyed playing point forward, running with the bench of Naz, NAW and sometime Donte. The guy loves playmaking!. Gobert is great, but he’s the polar opposite of that style of basketball. What does PHX want to be?

For the record, I have no idea what Connelly would offer, I’m just trying to get an idea of what PHX might aim for.

jredsaz · Post #7 » by **jredsaz** » Sat Apr 5, 2025 8:03 pm

HornetJail wrote:Suns trade Durant
Wolves trade McDaniels, Randle (opted in, extends on 1+1 PO at current $30M/year when eligible), 2025 DET 1st (currently #18), protected 2032 1st swap (top 10 prot?)

Minnesota goes all in on the short term rolling out a Conley/Ant/Durant/Reid/Gobert + DDV/NAW top 7 with much more offensive firepower than before.
The Suns move on from KD before it gets messy, adding a nice defender in McDaniels, a post presence in Randle that fits the Booker timeline, and a pick, and hope for the best.

Think this is something close to the board consensus if MIN deals for Durant. McDaniels, Randle + some picks. Maybe Donte or Dillingham are included? McDaniels is the prize for the Suns in this iteration and the Wolves have been very apprehensive to move him in any trade.

jredsaz · Post #8 » by **jredsaz** » Sat Apr 5, 2025 8:13 pm

shrink wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:Randle would be awful with the Suns IMO. I'll take Rudy rather than Randle

Randle has really enjoyed playing point forward, running with the bench of Naz, NAW and sometime Donte. The guy loves playmaking!. Gobert is great, but he’s the polar opposite of that style of basketball. What does PHX want to be?

For the record, I have no idea what Connelly would offer, I’m just trying to get an idea of what PHX might aim for.

I think Phoenix wants to be better :lol:

IMO Gobert is the biggest prize on the board and the most interesting trade chip for Durant.

Slim Charless · Post #9 » by **Slim Charless** » Sat Apr 5, 2025 8:46 pm

jredsaz wrote:
shrink wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:Randle would be awful with the Suns IMO. I'll take Rudy rather than Randle

Randle has really enjoyed playing point forward, running with the bench of Naz, NAW and sometime Donte. The guy loves playmaking!. Gobert is great, but he’s the polar opposite of that style of basketball. What does PHX want to be?

For the record, I have no idea what Connelly would offer, I’m just trying to get an idea of what PHX might aim for.

I think Phoenix wants to be better IMO Gobert is the biggest prize on the board and the most interesting trade chip for Durant.

Idk about that. If HOU and OKC are jumping into the pool, then they have pieces I'd rather have to put with Booker.

To answer the original question from Shrink though, I'd say our biggest holes are a pass first PG who can run an offense and play defense on the perimeter and a true presence in the middle. Minnesota doesn't have the 1st, so that makes Rudy the option to cover our 2nd need.

If we're stuck taking Randle then I'd really like to get McDaniel from them as they have little on the picks front to offer up

eminence · Post #10 » by **eminence** » Sat Apr 5, 2025 9:17 pm

Don't like it for the Wolves, or KD generally as a serious value target for a lot of these younger teams. At Jimmy prices I see interest. He's a low level allstar this season who'll be 37 next year, fairly notable injury history, what are the odds you get even 1 healthy/star level PO run from him?

wolves_89 · Post #11 » by **wolves_89** » Sat Apr 5, 2025 9:28 pm

Personally, I really hope the Wolves don't seriously pursue a Durant deal. KD has seen some real decline already over the past couple of seasons and at 37 is almost certain to see the trend continue. Add in the $54M one year contract and this seems like it would be a very shortsighted move for Minnesota. The Wolves should be focussing on re-signing Naz and NAW and figuring out what to do with Randle.

Slim Charless · Post #12 » by **Slim Charless** » Sat Apr 5, 2025 9:44 pm

wolves_89 wrote:Personally, I really hope the Wolves don't seriously pursue a Durant deal. KD has seen some real decline already over the past couple of seasons and at 37 is almost certain to see the trend continue. Add in the $54M one year contract and this seems like it would be a very shortsighted move for Minnesota. The Wolves should be focussing on re-signing Naz and NAW and figuring out what to do with Randle.

I actually agree and would rather send him to Miami if the aforementioned OKC/HOU deals are off the table.

Astaluego · Post #13 » by **Astaluego** » Sat Apr 5, 2025 10:04 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
wolves_89 wrote:Personally, I really hope the Wolves don't seriously pursue a Durant deal. KD has seen some real decline already over the past couple of seasons and at 37 is almost certain to see the trend continue. Add in the $54M one year contract and this seems like it would be a very shortsighted move for Minnesota. The Wolves should be focussing on re-signing Naz and NAW and figuring out what to do with Randle.

I actually agree and would rather send him to Miami if the aforementioned OKC/HOU deals are off the table.

What do you imagine the offer from Miami to be? Rozier/Robinson/Ware+2FRP?

jscott · Post #14 » by **jscott** » Sat Apr 5, 2025 10:08 pm

If this is the price, especially if people think the Wolves need to add DDV or Dillingham, I’d rather not trade for KD. Some other team can have him. Thats a crazy price for a guy that old who makes that much.

winforlose · Post #15 » by **winforlose** » Sat Apr 5, 2025 10:21 pm

New ownership has to understand that a large contingent of Wolves fans do not want KD. As was said above between the insane cost, expiring contract, and the possibility he makes close to 60 to stay, we are better off without KD. That is before you start subtracting talent and picks to acquire him. If KD is serious about playing with Ant he can sign a MLE next year and chase a ring. If not, let some other team pay him 100+ million in the next 2 years.

Slim Charless · Post #16 » by **Slim Charless** » Sat Apr 5, 2025 10:53 pm

Astaluego wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
wolves_89 wrote:Personally, I really hope the Wolves don't seriously pursue a Durant deal. KD has seen some real decline already over the past couple of seasons and at 37 is almost certain to see the trend continue. Add in the $54M one year contract and this seems like it would be a very shortsighted move for Minnesota. The Wolves should be focussing on re-signing Naz and NAW and figuring out what to do with Randle.

I actually agree and would rather send him to Miami if the aforementioned OKC/HOU deals are off the table.
What do you imagine the offer from Miami to be? Rozier/Robinson/Ware+2FRP?

Basically. I also have Miami making it into the lotto this year so giving us pick #11 or so. Ware is a must and then some other pick down the line. I have that a good deal ahead of stuff Minny can offer. I like the fit of Ware with our potential front court of Dunn and Oso and that pick can be used to get a possible PGOTF this year. Lastly, I think we can get away with swapping out Royce o Neal in that trade as well-getting us off of his 4 year deal for Robinson's 2 remaining years.

I don't think SAS will be trading for KD

ReggiesKnicks · Post #17 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Sat Apr 5, 2025 11:26 pm

Two above average starters and a pick is a lot to give up for KD.

jredsaz · Post #18 » by **jredsaz** » Sun Apr 6, 2025 12:18 am

eminence wrote:Don't like it for the Wolves, or KD generally as a serious value target for a lot of these younger teams. At Jimmy prices I see interest. He's a low level allstar this season who'll be 37 next year, fairly notable injury history, what are the odds you get even 1 healthy/star level PO run from him?

Low level all star? He’s had a great season. He will be all nba if he comes back for the last three games of the season. I don't think he is a “high value target” at 37 and I don’t think the offer on this OP is of high value.

jredsaz · Post #19 » by **jredsaz** » Sun Apr 6, 2025 12:25 am

ReggiesKnicks wrote:Two above average starters and a pick is a lot to give up for KD.

I guess. Randle isn’t much more than a contract that the Wolves hope gets off their books next season whether by trade or free agency. McDaniels is the value here but even his game has warts. It’s a good offer but KD is a great player. Old but still great. Value here I think is fine and about right. Whether it is a good decision for the Wolves to make is very debatable.

Slim Charless · Post #20 » by **Slim Charless** » Sun Apr 6, 2025 12:32 am

jredsaz wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:Two above average starters and a pick is a lot to give up for KD.

I guess. Randle isn’t much more than a contract that the Wolves hope gets off their books next season whether by trade or free agency. McDaniels is the value here but even his game has warts. It’s a good offer but KD is a great player. Old but still great. Value here I think is fine and about right. Whether it is a good decision for the Wolves to make is very debatable.

Can't be ignored that Shams said early this week on McAfee that at least 5 playoff teams will be vying for KD as well. Could be more depending on how the next 2 months play out.

All of those teams will be competing with each other to land him. That means it's a sellers market and better for PHX