Limited ability to re-up?

[Skybox]

Last summer, I was sure that Monk would leave SAC because SAC could only offer up to a certain (seemingly below market) amount…but they kept him. I think I heard that CHI faces a similar dilemma with Coby White…to my understanding, this even sinks a SnT. May not be fatal because only a couple of teams have big cap space. Are there other somewhat prominent players facing similar circumstances? Even on a lower scale - like below MLE?

Ty Jerome in CLE? Beasley in DET?
Gary Trent?

[Chinook]

Isn't White a former first-rounder coming off this fourth year of his rookie deal? If so, he shouldn't really have a restriction other than the max. Guys like Monk and Jalen Smith did have caps that might've priced their teamd out had it come to that.

[jayjaysee]

This is part of the downside of bird rights some times when the player/team work out. But it’s worth it to avoid seeing “Ballmer” decide to wink wink deal and give 4 stars a one year deal followed by 4 new maxes..

Coby won’t be limited in a new contract, just limited in his extension. I do think the league will continue to raise that number (140%) to try and encourage players staying where they’re at, level talent etc…

Ty should be an early bird free agent as well, so Cleveland can offer 105% of league average if I’m right? 12-12.5(ish) first year.

[Mavrelous]

Bulls aren't limited in what they can offer White when he hits FA, they are limited in what they can offer this off season as an extension, they can also S&T him to the full max, same story with Reaves in LA.
Early bird (Monk last year for example, I think Jerome is also early bird if he was converted from TW) or non bird players are indeed limited, like the players you mentioned.

[jbk1234]

This is part of the downside of bird rights some times when the player/team work out. But it’s worth it to avoid seeing “Ballmer” decide to wink wink deal and give 4 stars a one year deal followed by 4 new maxes..

Coby won’t be limited in a new contract, just limited in his extension. I do think the league will continue to raise that number (140%) to try and encourage players staying where they’re at, level talent etc…

Ty should be an early bird free agent as well, so Cleveland can offer 105% of league average if I’m right? 12-12.5(ish) first year.

Ty has played himself up to at least MLE level where the delta won't be that great, but if a team like the Nets decide they want him as a starter, he's probably gone.

[Donkedave]

This is part of the downside of bird rights some times when the player/team work out. But it’s worth it to avoid seeing “Ballmer” decide to wink wink deal and give 4 stars a one year deal followed by 4 new maxes..

Coby won’t be limited in a new contract, just limited in his extension. I do think the league will continue to raise that number (140%) to try and encourage players staying where they’re at, level talent etc…

Ty should be an early bird free agent as well, so Cleveland can offer 105% of league average if I’m right? 12-12.5(ish) first year.

Sounds correct I’d say!

Others
Trent- non bird would be limited to around 3.3m on 120% raise 2 year contract tho

Beasley- non bird, same as above limit of 120% so around $7.2m

Fun fact on both Trent and Beasley. If they sign again for 1 year at whatever then the team will have “early bird” rights and can offer 175% or the 105% of league avg(which could be around 14.4m!

[Skybox]

ORL could theoretically throw a full MLE at Jerome...he was explaining to Paolo how he'd start in ORL if I recall...and he's right

Hoping ORL has multiple moves this summer...moving out some vets, maybe consolidating a few solid players for one better one...but Jerome for the MLE to start next to Suggs would be great. ORL has to get serious about their aprons - pretty safe bet that ORL ownership would not be receptive to those kind of penalties.

[Godaddycurse]

ORL could theoretically throw a full MLE at Jerome...he was explaining to Paolo how he'd start in ORL if I recall...and he's right

Hoping ORL has multiple moves this summer...moving out some vets, maybe consolidating a few solid players for one better one...but Jerome for the MLE to start next to Suggs would be great. ORL has to get serious about their aprons - pretty safe bet that ORL ownership would not be receptive to those kind of penalties.

would be tough hardcapping yourself at 1st apron considering your current payroll. Definitely possible but you will have to pay teams to take on contracts

[orlando_joe]

ORL could theoretically throw a full MLE at Jerome...he was explaining to Paolo how he'd start in ORL if I recall...and he's right

Hoping ORL has multiple moves this summer...moving out some vets, maybe consolidating a few solid players for one better one...but Jerome for the MLE to start next to Suggs would be great. ORL has to get serious about their aprons - pretty safe bet that ORL ownership would not be receptive to those kind of penalties.

would be tough hardcapping yourself at 1st apron considering your current payroll. Definitely possible but you will have to pay teams to take on contracts

really dont see anyone that magic want to move this summer that they would add asset ..we will see ...really see it as some fans want

[Skybox]

ORL could theoretically throw a full MLE at Jerome...he was explaining to Paolo how he'd start in ORL if I recall...and he's right

Hoping ORL has multiple moves this summer...moving out some vets, maybe consolidating a few solid players for one better one...but Jerome for the MLE to start next to Suggs would be great. ORL has to get serious about their aprons - pretty safe bet that ORL ownership would not be receptive to those kind of penalties.

would be tough hardcapping yourself at 1st apron considering your current payroll. Definitely possible but you will have to pay teams to take on contracts

I'd be looking to move KCP, Cole (expiring), Isaac (drops to $15m and has injury outs), possibly Goga or WCJ in separate deals for financial reasons alone.

[ChettheJet]

As far as the Bulls go they have next season to figure out what to do about Coby White, his is one of a number of expiring contracts that come due then. Their desire to resign him is complicated by the total of those expiring contracts. They should move on fro Vucevic. Carter and Terry are beyond expendable. What they can't do is take back even a better player moving those guys if the incoming payer has a longer term contract. First they need to resign Josh Giddey who is making a huge difference since the deadline, second is can they bring back Tre Jones who has provided a real spark off the bench. Then next summer the money needs to be there for a big contract for White but also a rejuvenated Kevin Huerter, a good looking Zach Collins and even a reliable Taylor Horton Tucker.

[jbk1234]

ORL could theoretically throw a full MLE at Jerome...he was explaining to Paolo how he'd start in ORL if I recall...and he's right

Hoping ORL has multiple moves this summer...moving out some vets, maybe consolidating a few solid players for one better one...but Jerome for the MLE to start next to Suggs would be great. ORL has to get serious about their aprons - pretty safe bet that ORL ownership would not be receptive to those kind of penalties.

I suspect that if Ty leaves, it's for more than the MLE. He could start on the Pistons or Nets as well. Also, the Magic are nowhere near being able to use the MLE next summer. They'd have to salary dump a couple of players ahead of free agency.

[Scoot McGroot]

ORL could theoretically throw a full MLE at Jerome...he was explaining to Paolo how he'd start in ORL if I recall...and he's right

Hoping ORL has multiple moves this summer...moving out some vets, maybe consolidating a few solid players for one better one...but Jerome for the MLE to start next to Suggs would be great. ORL has to get serious about their aprons - pretty safe bet that ORL ownership would not be receptive to those kind of penalties.

I suspect that if Ty leaves, it's for more than the MLE. He could start on the Pistons or Nets as well. Also, the Magic are nowhere near being able to use the MLE next summer. They'd have to salary dump a couple of players ahead of free agency.

With Mo Wagner, Gary Harris, CoJo, and Caleb Houstan on team options for next year, there's a lot of flexibility there. They already have 11 guys totally locked in for next year, and they have 2 1st rounders. Dump Jett Howard and maybe move a 1st to a future year, and there's a pretty easy route to use the full MLE and still bring back Mo on a cheap deal and easily stay under the apron. Tax would be close, but they could figure it out.

[jbk1234]

ORL could theoretically throw a full MLE at Jerome...he was explaining to Paolo how he'd start in ORL if I recall...and he's right

Hoping ORL has multiple moves this summer...moving out some vets, maybe consolidating a few solid players for one better one...but Jerome for the MLE to start next to Suggs would be great. ORL has to get serious about their aprons - pretty safe bet that ORL ownership would not be receptive to those kind of penalties.

I suspect that if Ty leaves, it's for more than the MLE. He could start on the Pistons or Nets as well. Also, the Magic are nowhere near being able to use the MLE next summer. They'd have to salary dump a couple of players ahead of free agency.

With Mo Wagner, Gary Harris, CoJo, and Caleb Houstan on team options for next year, there's a lot of flexibility there. They already have 11 guys totally locked in for next year, and they have 2 1st rounders. Dump Jett Howard and maybe move a 1st to a future year, and there's a pretty easy route to use the full MLE and still bring back Mo on a cheap deal and easily stay under the apron. Tax would be close, but they could figure it out.

I think it's hard to decline the TO on Mo Wagner and ask him to re-sign for a fraction of that. He'll have a market as well. Mo is probably the only player of consequence that you listed, but that's still 5 roster cap holds. It'll be tight just to get the MLE.

Again, I could see Ty jumping for an extra $10-15M per from Detroit or Brooklyn, but leaving for an extra million or two would surprise me.

[Scoot McGroot]

I suspect that if Ty leaves, it's for more than the MLE. He could start on the Pistons or Nets as well. Also, the Magic are nowhere near being able to use the MLE next summer. They'd have to salary dump a couple of players ahead of free agency.

With Mo Wagner, Gary Harris, CoJo, and Caleb Houstan on team options for next year, there's a lot of flexibility there. They already have 11 guys totally locked in for next year, and they have 2 1st rounders. Dump Jett Howard and maybe move a 1st to a future year, and there's a pretty easy route to use the full MLE and still bring back Mo on a cheap deal and easily stay under the apron. Tax would be close, but they could figure it out.

I think it's hard to decline the TO on Mo Wagner and ask him to re-sign for a fraction of that. He'll have a market as well. Mo is probably the only player of consequence that you listed, but that's still 5 roster cap holds. It'll be tight just to get the MLE.

Teams do it all the time? And he’ll be coming off injury, while the team needs to decline a bunch of options anyway just to clear roster spots for their first round picks.

Again, I could see Ty jumping for an extra $10-15M per from Detroit or Brooklyn, but leaving for an extra million or two would surprise me.

He’d be jumping for a potential starting slot and extra millions. That potential starting spot is what could launch him to a future offer of potentially many more millions. He’ll never have that in Cleveland behind Garland and Mitchell.

[jbk1234]

With Mo Wagner, Gary Harris, CoJo, and Caleb Houstan on team options for next year, there's a lot of flexibility there. They already have 11 guys totally locked in for next year, and they have 2 1st rounders. Dump Jett Howard and maybe move a 1st to a future year, and there's a pretty easy route to use the full MLE and still bring back Mo on a cheap deal and easily stay under the apron. Tax would be close, but they could figure it out.

I think it's hard to decline the TO on Mo Wagner and ask him to re-sign for a fraction of that. He'll have a market as well. Mo is probably the only player of consequence that you listed, but that's still 5 roster cap holds. It'll be tight just to get the MLE.

Teams do it all the time? And he’ll be coming off injury, while the team needs to decline a bunch of options anyway just to clear roster spots for their first round picks.

Again, I could see Ty jumping for an extra $10-15M per from Detroit or Brooklyn, but leaving for an extra million or two would surprise me.

He’d be jumping for a potential starting slot and extra millions. That potential starting spot is what could launch him to a future offer of potentially many more millions. He’ll never have that in Cleveland behind Garland and Mitchell.

I'm saying he'd start in Brooklyn or Detroit as well and they'll have the ability to pay him as a starter.

[Scoot McGroot]

I think it's hard to decline the TO on Mo Wagner and ask him to re-sign for a fraction of that. He'll have a market as well. Mo is probably the only player of consequence that you listed, but that's still 5 roster cap holds. It'll be tight just to get the MLE.

Teams do it all the time? And he’ll be coming off injury, while the team needs to decline a bunch of options anyway just to clear roster spots for their first round picks.

Again, I could see Ty jumping for an extra $10-15M per from Detroit or Brooklyn, but leaving for an extra million or two would surprise me.

He’d be jumping for a potential starting slot and extra millions. That potential starting spot is what could launch him to a future offer of potentially many more millions. He’ll never have that in Cleveland behind Garland and Mitchell.

I'm saying he'd start in Brooklyn or Detroit as well and they'll have the ability to pay him as a starter.

I don't think he'll be healthy to play until midseason? But if that's a concern, then keep him, waive the other 3, and just salary dump a Jett Howard? Or if someone loses a center in free agency, tag in as a 3rd team and send Goga or WCJ that way and get no salary in return? Still at solid MLE range at that point.

[meekrab]

Isn't White a former first-rounder coming off this fourth year of his rookie deal? If so, he shouldn't really have a restriction other than the max. Guys like Monk and Jalen Smith did have caps that might've priced their teamd out had it come to that.

No, he's in his 6th year in the league, on a 3 year rookie extension. The fact he's currently massively underpaid means the veteran extension rules don't let the Bulls offer him an early extension that he'd accept, so he's going to be an UFA next summer. Bulls can still offer the most money and longest contract but they can't officially do it until free agency.

[Tim Lehrbach]

What limitations, if any, do the Blazers have extending Deni? If he is limited to a capped raise, he's obviously going to hit free agency instead, which would be a major problem for Portland.

[Godaddycurse]

What limitations, if any, do the Blazers have extending Deni? If he is limited to a capped raise, he's obviously going to hit free agency instead, which would be a major problem for Portland.

Try to have cap space to reneg and extend