Minnesota - Philadelphia - Phoenix - Detroit

[Godaddycurse]

Phoenix trade: Durant, Martin
Phoenix receive: George, McCain, Shannon Jr, 4? future 2nds from Detroit

Philadelphia trade: George, McCain
Philadelphia receive: Randle, Divicenzo, Fontecchio, Sasser

Minnesota trade: Randle, Divicenzo, Shannon Jr, NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract)
Minnesota receive: Durant

Detroit trade: Fontecchio, Sasser, 4? future 2nds
Detroit receive: NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract), Martin

How to make it legal via 2 separate trades since phoenix cant aggregate:

Spoiler:

Trade 1

Phoenix trade: Durant
Phoenix receive: George, Shannon Jr, future 2nds from Detroit

Philadelphia trade: George, McCain
Philadelphia receive: Randle, Divicenzo, Fontecchio, Sasser

Minnesota trade: Randle, Divicenzo, Shannon Jr, NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract)
Minnesota receive: Durant

Detroit trade: Fontecchio, Sasser, 4? future 2nds
Detroit receive: NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract), McCain (into MLE exception or Room exception or whatever exception they have)

Trade 2 ("simultaneous"/right after)

Phoenix trade: Martin
Phoenix receive: McCain

Detroit trade: McCain
Detroit receive: Martin

Why for Phoenix: Eat George's contract to pick up a blue chip prospect in McCain and some other assets
Why for Philly: get out of PG's contract and get back vets to help them compete next year
Why for Minny: get KD w/o losing mcdaniels
Why for Detroit: add an excellent 2-way fit next to Cade and Ivey
Why for NAW: get above MLE money to play for an up and coming team

I feel like Minny owes a bit more value... maybe throw in a future swap from them? not sure.

[shrink]

Phoenix trade: Durant, Martin
Phoenix receive: George, McCain, Shannon Jr, 4? future 2nds from Detroit

Philadelphia trade: George, McCain
Philadelphia receive: Randle, Divicenzo, Fontecchio, Sasser

Minnesota trade: Randle, Divicenzo, Shannon Jr, NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract)
Minnesota receive: Durant

Detroit trade: Fontecchio, Sasser, 4? future 2nds
Detroit receive: NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract), Martin

How to make it legal via 2 separate trades since phoenix cant aggregate:

Spoiler:

Trade 1

Phoenix trade: Durant
Phoenix receive: George, Shannon Jr, future 2nds from Detroit

Philadelphia trade: George, McCain
Philadelphia receive: Randle, Divicenzo, Fontecchio, Sasser

Minnesota trade: Randle, Divicenzo, Shannon Jr, NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract)
Minnesota receive: Durant

Detroit trade: Fontecchio, Sasser, 4? future 2nds
Detroit receive: NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract), McCain (into MLE exception or Room exception or whatever exception they have)

Trade 2 ("simultaneous"/right after)

Phoenix trade: Martin
Phoenix receive: McCain

Detroit trade: McCain
Detroit receive: Martin

Why for Phoenix: Eat George's contract to pick up a blue chip prospect in McCain and some other assets
Why for Philly: get out of PG's contract and get back vets to help them compete next year
Why for Minny: get KD w/o losing mcdaniels
Why for Detroit: add an excellent 2-way fit next to Cade and Ivey
Why for NAW: get above MLE money to play for an up and coming team

I feel like Minny owes a bit more value... maybe throw in a future swap from them? not sure.

I like it, and good work adding the reasoning for the free agent.

MIN wanted to keep DDV’s nice contract, but KD is great, and Ant is really impressionable and wants to be a baller. MIN needs to cut some salary elsewhere to deal with their own apron issues, but I think they’d take that deal.

[GreekAlex]

Phoenix trade: Durant, Martin
Phoenix receive: George, McCain, Shannon Jr, 4? future 2nds from Detroit

Philadelphia trade: George, McCain
Philadelphia receive: Randle, Divicenzo, Fontecchio, Sasser

Minnesota trade: Randle, Divicenzo, Shannon Jr, NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract)
Minnesota receive: Durant

Detroit trade: Fontecchio, Sasser, 4? future 2nds
Detroit receive: NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract), Martin

How to make it legal via 2 separate trades since phoenix cant aggregate:

Spoiler:

Trade 1

Phoenix trade: Durant
Phoenix receive: George, Shannon Jr, future 2nds from Detroit

Philadelphia trade: George, McCain
Philadelphia receive: Randle, Divicenzo, Fontecchio, Sasser

Minnesota trade: Randle, Divicenzo, Shannon Jr, NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract)
Minnesota receive: Durant

Detroit trade: Fontecchio, Sasser, 4? future 2nds
Detroit receive: NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract), McCain (into MLE exception or Room exception or whatever exception they have)

Trade 2 ("simultaneous"/right after)

Phoenix trade: Martin
Phoenix receive: McCain

Detroit trade: McCain
Detroit receive: Martin

Why for Phoenix: Eat George's contract to pick up a blue chip prospect in McCain and some other assets
Why for Philly: get out of PG's contract and get back vets to help them compete next year
Why for Minny: get KD w/o losing mcdaniels
Why for Detroit: add an excellent 2-way fit next to Cade and Ivey
Why for NAW: get above MLE money to play for an up and coming team

I feel like Minny owes a bit more value... maybe throw in a future swap from them? not sure.

$18M /year for NAW on the S&T probably hurts the Pistons chances of resigning Beasley. I’d probably pass. I want to keep Beasley at all costs. His positive energy is contagious and keeps the younger guys out of their heads.

I guess $18M doesn’t go as far as it used to

[LarsV8]

I couldn't see any team taking on George without massive incentive.

If you want to call McCain that incentive, sure, but then you have Phoenix also giving up Durant.

[Godaddycurse]

Phoenix trade: Durant, Martin
Phoenix receive: George, McCain, Shannon Jr, 4? future 2nds from Detroit

Philadelphia trade: George, McCain
Philadelphia receive: Randle, Divicenzo, Fontecchio, Sasser

Minnesota trade: Randle, Divicenzo, Shannon Jr, NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract)
Minnesota receive: Durant

Detroit trade: Fontecchio, Sasser, 4? future 2nds
Detroit receive: NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract), Martin

How to make it legal via 2 separate trades since phoenix cant aggregate:

Spoiler:

Trade 1

Phoenix trade: Durant
Phoenix receive: George, Shannon Jr, future 2nds from Detroit

Philadelphia trade: George, McCain
Philadelphia receive: Randle, Divicenzo, Fontecchio, Sasser

Minnesota trade: Randle, Divicenzo, Shannon Jr, NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract)
Minnesota receive: Durant

Detroit trade: Fontecchio, Sasser, 4? future 2nds
Detroit receive: NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract), McCain (into MLE exception or Room exception or whatever exception they have)

Trade 2 ("simultaneous"/right after)

Phoenix trade: Martin
Phoenix receive: McCain

Detroit trade: McCain
Detroit receive: Martin

Why for Phoenix: Eat George's contract to pick up a blue chip prospect in McCain and some other assets
Why for Philly: get out of PG's contract and get back vets to help them compete next year
Why for Minny: get KD w/o losing mcdaniels
Why for Detroit: add an excellent 2-way fit next to Cade and Ivey
Why for NAW: get above MLE money to play for an up and coming team

I feel like Minny owes a bit more value... maybe throw in a future swap from them? not sure.

$18M /year for NAW on the S&T probably hurts the Pistons chances of resigning Beasley. I’d probably pass. I want to keep Beasley at all costs. His positive energy is contagious and keeps the younger guys out of their heads.

I guess $18M doesn’t go as far as it used to

I think NAW is a big upgrade over THJ. Beasley can still be kept imo

[Godaddycurse]

I couldn't see any team taking on George without massive incentive.

If you want to call McCain that incentive, sure, but then you have Phoenix also giving up Durant.

I guess im really high on mccain.. maybe philly owes more value

[Mr Puddles]

Is there another George on the 76ers other than Paul?

Because I wouldn't trade Beal for Paul George, let alone a player who just averaged 27/6/4 on 64 ts%.

With zero first round picks coming Phoenix's way no less?!?!?

[Godaddycurse]

Is there another George on the 76ers other than Paul?

Because I wouldn't trade Beal for Paul George, let alone a player who just averaged 27/6/4 on 64 ts%.

With zero first round picks coming Phoenix's way no less?!?!?

Mccain is worth multiple picks (i might be too high on him though?)

Shannon + 4 seconds is about a first

[GreekAlex]

Phoenix trade: Durant, Martin
Phoenix receive: George, McCain, Shannon Jr, 4? future 2nds from Detroit

Philadelphia trade: George, McCain
Philadelphia receive: Randle, Divicenzo, Fontecchio, Sasser

Minnesota trade: Randle, Divicenzo, Shannon Jr, NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract)
Minnesota receive: Durant

Detroit trade: Fontecchio, Sasser, 4? future 2nds
Detroit receive: NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract), Martin

How to make it legal via 2 separate trades since phoenix cant aggregate:

Spoiler:

Trade 1

Phoenix trade: Durant
Phoenix receive: George, Shannon Jr, future 2nds from Detroit

Philadelphia trade: George, McCain
Philadelphia receive: Randle, Divicenzo, Fontecchio, Sasser

Minnesota trade: Randle, Divicenzo, Shannon Jr, NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract)
Minnesota receive: Durant

Detroit trade: Fontecchio, Sasser, 4? future 2nds
Detroit receive: NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract), McCain (into MLE exception or Room exception or whatever exception they have)

Trade 2 ("simultaneous"/right after)

Phoenix trade: Martin
Phoenix receive: McCain

Detroit trade: McCain
Detroit receive: Martin

Why for Phoenix: Eat George's contract to pick up a blue chip prospect in McCain and some other assets
Why for Philly: get out of PG's contract and get back vets to help them compete next year
Why for Minny: get KD w/o losing mcdaniels
Why for Detroit: add an excellent 2-way fit next to Cade and Ivey
Why for NAW: get above MLE money to play for an up and coming team

I feel like Minny owes a bit more value... maybe throw in a future swap from them? not sure.

$18M /year for NAW on the S&T probably hurts the Pistons chances of resigning Beasley. I’d probably pass. I want to keep Beasley at all costs. His positive energy is contagious and keeps the younger guys out of their heads.

I guess $18M doesn’t go as far as it used to

I think NAW is a big upgrade over THJ. Beasley can still be kept imo

It might be challenging to add talent with Cade’s extension kicking in a some of the other young players due new deals.

I think stretch 4 depth behind Tobias Harris might be a more pressing hole to fill especially with Fontecchio going out in this proposed deal.

Any way we get Naz Reid instead?

[Mr Puddles]

Is there another George on the 76ers other than Paul?

Because I wouldn't trade Beal for Paul George, let alone a player who just averaged 27/6/4 on 64 ts%.

With zero first round picks coming Phoenix's way no less?!?!?

Mccain is worth multiple picks (i might be too high on him though?)

Shannon + 4 seconds is about a first

McCain had a nice 20 game stretch in his rookie year. Definitely not enough to bridge the gap between one of the best players in the NBA and the worst contract in the NBA.

The value is way off here. Other than altruism I see absolutely no incentive for the Suns to do this. They handicap themselves with the two worst contracts in the league for the next 2-3 years with zero first round draft incentive to show for it.

In your trade scenario, why wouldn't the Suns just directly deal with Minnesota? That deal is much better for them.

[Slim Charless]

Is there another George on the 76ers other than Paul?

Because I wouldn't trade Beal for Paul George, let alone a player who just averaged 27/6/4 on 64 ts%.

With zero first round picks coming Phoenix's way no less?!?!?

Mccain is worth multiple picks (i might be too high on him though?)

Shannon + 4 seconds is about a first

McCain had a nice 20 game stretch in his rookie year. Definitely not enough to bridge the gap between one of the best players in the NBA and the worst contract in the NBA.

The value is way off here. Other than altruism I see absolutely no incentive for the Suns to do this. They handicap themselves with the two worst contracts in the league for the next 2-3 years with zero first round draft incentive to show for it.

In your trade scenario, why wouldn't the Suns just directly deal with Minnesota? That deal is much better for them.

In his defense, I would do Beal for PG13....with those seconds

[Mavrelous]

Wolves aee short on value...
Trade the Pistons pick on draft day for future 1st and add it to the deal.
Sixers are also a bit short IMO.
Maybe spilt the deal to 2, trade Pistons pick for Clippers 28b1st and then add Clippers 28 1st to the deal.

[Godaddycurse]

Is there another George on the 76ers other than Paul?

Because I wouldn't trade Beal for Paul George, let alone a player who just averaged 27/6/4 on 64 ts%.

With zero first round picks coming Phoenix's way no less?!?!?

Mccain is worth multiple picks (i might be too high on him though?)

Shannon + 4 seconds is about a first

McCain had a nice 20 game stretch in his rookie year. Definitely not enough to bridge the gap between one of the best players in the NBA and the worst contract in the NBA.

The value is way off here. Other than altruism I see absolutely no incentive for the Suns to do this. They handicap themselves with the two worst contracts in the league for the next 2-3 years with zero first round draft incentive to show for it.

In your trade scenario, why wouldn't the Suns just directly deal with Minnesota? That deal is much better for them.

Ya i was toying with including sixers or not for the OP.

I figured given their lack of assets eating bad money is the only way for them to acquire high value prospects to guide them through the upcoming pick-less years for mpre sustained competitiveness. Randle and DDV are more of a bandaid fix.

If your cap is already in hell thx to beal then it doesnt really hurt to add george too? Out side of tax payments from owner anyway..

[the_process]

Sixers are probably not even ready to trade George unless he asks. They certainly aren't paying a ton to dump him. Ask again later.

Also, Phoenix isn't going to cut bait, they're going to retool around Booker.

[Fo-Real]

Is there another George on the 76ers other than Paul?

Because I wouldn't trade Beal for Paul George, let alone a player who just averaged 27/6/4 on 64 ts%.

With zero first round picks coming Phoenix's way no less?!?!?

To be fair, we were the only team dumb enough to trade for Beal's contract. The worst thing a team can do is assume we are crazy as hell and ask if we want the second worst contract in the league too. Worst thing we could do is say no but WHAT IF?!?!

[vege]

Phoenix trade: Durant, Martin
Phoenix receive: George, McCain, Shannon Jr, 4? future 2nds from Detroit

Philadelphia trade: George, McCain
Philadelphia receive: Randle, Divicenzo, Fontecchio, Sasser

Minnesota trade: Randle, Divicenzo, Shannon Jr, NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract)
Minnesota receive: Durant

Detroit trade: Fontecchio, Sasser, 4? future 2nds
Detroit receive: NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract), Martin

How to make it legal via 2 separate trades since phoenix cant aggregate:

Spoiler:

Trade 1

Phoenix trade: Durant
Phoenix receive: George, Shannon Jr, future 2nds from Detroit

Philadelphia trade: George, McCain
Philadelphia receive: Randle, Divicenzo, Fontecchio, Sasser

Minnesota trade: Randle, Divicenzo, Shannon Jr, NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract)
Minnesota receive: Durant

Detroit trade: Fontecchio, Sasser, 4? future 2nds
Detroit receive: NAW (S&T 3/54M declining contract), McCain (into MLE exception or Room exception or whatever exception they have)

Trade 2 ("simultaneous"/right after)

Phoenix trade: Martin
Phoenix receive: McCain

Detroit trade: McCain
Detroit receive: Martin

Why for Phoenix: Eat George's contract to pick up a blue chip prospect in McCain and some other assets
Why for Philly: get out of PG's contract and get back vets to help them compete next year
Why for Minny: get KD w/o losing mcdaniels
Why for Detroit: add an excellent 2-way fit next to Cade and Ivey
Why for NAW: get above MLE money to play for an up and coming team

I feel like Minny owes a bit more value... maybe throw in a future swap from them? not sure.

$18M /year for NAW on the S&T probably hurts the Pistons chances of resigning Beasley. I’d probably pass. I want to keep Beasley at all costs. His positive energy is contagious and keeps the younger guys out of their heads.

I guess $18M doesn’t go as far as it used to

I think NAW is a big upgrade over THJ. Beasley can still be kept imo

Detroit cannot do this deal and bring Beasley back.

Cade need spacing to operate, and Beasley is the best you can get nowadays (Steph is not coming to Detroit). 41,6% on 9,3 attempts in 28 minutes per game and he was our only player to play all 82 games.

Also in order to give NAW that salary we would need to renounce Schroder and THJr while eating Marting and giving up Sasser and all those 2nds, that's a really bad deal for Detroit.

We are good on guards. We will operate over the cap, we will use our MLE to bring Beasley back and we can bring THJr and Schroder back as well.

Cade/Ivey/Schroder/Beasley/THJr/Sasser is insane depth at the guards spots and Ron and Ausar can play the 2 as well.

We need a backup PF and we need someone to take over for Tobias once his contract is done (I bet he retires in Detroit but on a much smaller deal and coming off the bench).

Sasser, Fontecchio and all those 2nds need to be used in order to get us a Power Forward, a big upgrade over Fontecchio. Whenever Tobias was in foul trouble or unavailable we got in trouble, because we had to go super small with 3 and sometimes 4 guards and with Ausar defending PFs instead of the POA.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Cade need spacing to operate, and Beasley is the best you can get nowadays (Steph is not coming to Detroit).

Neither is Anthony Edwards.

Sasser, Fontecchio and all those 2nds need to be used in order to get us a Power Forward, a big upgrade over Fontecchio. Whenever Tobias was in foul trouble or unavailable we got in trouble, because we had to go super small with 3 and sometimes 4 guards and with Ausar defending PFs instead of the POA.

I mostly agree with this. NAW would be a great fit in Detroit but his skill set isn't as desirable for Detroit as other glaring holes on the roster.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Detroit wanted to add NAW considering his plug-and-play skill-set while giving them a different defensive look next to Cade compared to what Beasley provides.

Most fans right now are going to be hyper-focused on the #1 thing to fix right now, and while adding NAW bolsters Detroit, he isn't the #1 need.

I don't like NAW next to Nembhard in Indiana, but what about Obi Toppin being traded to Detroit? Obi for Fontecchio/2nds?

[vege]

Cade need spacing to operate, and Beasley is the best you can get nowadays (Steph is not coming to Detroit).

Neither is Anthony Edwards.

Sasser, Fontecchio and all those 2nds need to be used in order to get us a Power Forward, a big upgrade over Fontecchio. Whenever Tobias was in foul trouble or unavailable we got in trouble, because we had to go super small with 3 and sometimes 4 guards and with Ausar defending PFs instead of the POA.

I mostly agree with this. NAW would be a great fit in Detroit but his skill set isn't as desirable for Detroit as other glaring holes on the roster.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Detroit wanted to add NAW considering his plug-and-play skill-set while giving them a different defensive look next to Cade compared to what Beasley provides.

Most fans right now are going to be hyper-focused on the #1 thing to fix right now, and while adding NAW bolsters Detroit, he isn't the #1 need.

I don't like NAW next to Nembhard in Indiana, but what about Obi Toppin being traded to Detroit? Obi for Fontecchio/2nds?

Beasley is a better 3 point shooter than Ant, Ant is better at everything else.

NAW would be desirable for sure, the problem is the cost. The high price we would be paying in this trade idea (Sasser and 4 2nds while eating a bad contract and undesirable non shooter AND letting 3 very important players walk - Beasley, THJr and Schroder) is the problem.

After that we wouldn't have a lot of assets or contracts to acquire a backup PF, so we would be back to the lottery despiting adding a good piece, we would destroy the roster in the process and that's dumb.

Weaver is in Washington now. Trajan Langdon seems to have an idea how to build a functional roster.

[Godaddycurse]

Detroit cannot do this deal and bring Beasley back.

Cade need spacing to operate, and Beasley is the best you can get nowadays (Steph is not coming to Detroit). 41,6% on 9,3 attempts in 28 minutes per game and he was our only player to play all 82 games.

Also in order to give NAW that salary we would need to renounce Schroder and THJr while eating Marting and giving up Sasser and all those 2nds, that's a really bad deal for Detroit.

We are good on guards. We will operate over the cap, we will use our MLE to bring Beasley back and we can bring THJr and Schroder back as well.

Cade/Ivey/Schroder/Beasley/THJr/Sasser is insane depth at the guards spots and Ron and Ausar can play the 2 as well.

We need a backup PF and we need someone to take over for Tobias once his contract is done (I bet he retires in Detroit but on a much smaller deal and coming off the bench).

Sasser, Fontecchio and all those 2nds need to be used in order to get us a Power Forward, a big upgrade over Fontecchio. Whenever Tobias was in foul trouble or unavailable we got in trouble, because we had to go super small with 3 and sometimes 4 guards and with Ausar defending PFs instead of the POA.

How much do you expect beasley to make? You dont have to renounce anyone, fontecchio and sasser salary matches NAW at 18.5M so you can do this after using your capspace/keep all your capholds. Imo you need better defender at the 1-2 spot and NAW gives you that.

[vege]

Detroit cannot do this deal and bring Beasley back.

Cade need spacing to operate, and Beasley is the best you can get nowadays (Steph is not coming to Detroit). 41,6% on 9,3 attempts in 28 minutes per game and he was our only player to play all 82 games.

Also in order to give NAW that salary we would need to renounce Schroder and THJr while eating Marting and giving up Sasser and all those 2nds, that's a really bad deal for Detroit.

We are good on guards. We will operate over the cap, we will use our MLE to bring Beasley back and we can bring THJr and Schroder back as well.

Cade/Ivey/Schroder/Beasley/THJr/Sasser is insane depth at the guards spots and Ron and Ausar can play the 2 as well.

We need a backup PF and we need someone to take over for Tobias once his contract is done (I bet he retires in Detroit but on a much smaller deal and coming off the bench).

Sasser, Fontecchio and all those 2nds need to be used in order to get us a Power Forward, a big upgrade over Fontecchio. Whenever Tobias was in foul trouble or unavailable we got in trouble, because we had to go super small with 3 and sometimes 4 guards and with Ausar defending PFs instead of the POA.

How much do you expect beasley to make? You dont have to renounce anyone, fontecchio and sasser salary matches NAW at 18.5M so you can do this after using your capspace/keep all your capholds. Imo you need better defender at the 1-2 spot and NAW gives you that.

You are confuse. Go check the players salaries and the trade idea.

Beasley will sign for the MLE.

Our defense is pretty good. Ausar defends the 1-2 and NAW is a big downgrade compared to Ausar. We need a better defender at the starting 5 (Duren is a bad defender) and at the 2-3 (THJr which should be Ivey next season and Ivey is a pretty bad defender)