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TRADE 1
Portland Trades
DeAndre Ayton C
Jerami Grant F
Shadeon Sharpe SG
Robert Williams III FC
Kris Murray F
2029 Lowest FRP
Sacramento Trades
Domantas Sabonis F
Zach LaVine G
WHY FOR PORTLAND
They seem to be intent on winning and here they make a win-now move bringing in 2 highly paid but very talented vets on board in Sabonis and Zach. Domantas has familial connections to PDX and would be a fan favorite. His passing and high post offense would be huge with the lanky cutters than PDX has on the roster. Zach has warts but brings scoring at the SG spot to replace Simons and Sharpe (Simons moved in a seperate deal).
WHY FOR SACRAMENTO
They clearly need a shakeup. The prize here is Sharpe who is a young, highly talented player that is a consistent 3PT shot away from being a problem. Ayton slides in as the new C and as a EC is going to save them tons of $$$. Grant has a longer deal but his length, size and athleticism will be a nice change from the current forward situation. RWIII is a EC and due to injury has been devalued, he is mostly salary matching here but if he gets healthy he may have flip potential. They also reunite the twins and get a future FRP. (DDR is traded in a seperate deal)
TRADE 2
Portland Trades
Anfernee Simons G
Duop Reath C
Orlando Trades
Cole Anthony G
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope G
DEN FRP #24
WHY FOR PORTLAND
They are simply ready to move off Simons in this scenario as taking Zachs big deal means they are not paying Anfernee summer 2026. Here they take on 2 guys with deals a year longer than Simons but who fill some bench needs + get a late FRP.
WHY FOR ORLANDO
They have lacked a true bucket getting guard for years and bring the local kid home here while keeping all their blue chip prospects and the higher FRP. Reath has some value as a cheap floor spacer and allows them to explore trades for one of their more highly paid bigs (As they have a logjam)
2025/26 Roster
G - Scoot Henderson / Cole Anthony / Dalano Banton (VM)
G - Zach LaVine / Kentavious Caldwell-Pope / Nique Clifford (DEN FRP)
F - Toumani Camara / Matisse Thybulle / Rayan Rupert
F - Deni Avdija / Domantas Sabonis / Noa Essengue (PDX FRP) / Jabari Walker JR (VM)
C - Domantas Sabonis / Donovan Clingan / VM or BAE / Jabari Walker JR (VM)
Portland Trades
DeAndre Ayton C
Jerami Grant F
Shadeon Sharpe SG
Robert Williams III FC
Kris Murray F
2029 Lowest FRP
Sacramento Trades
Domantas Sabonis F
Zach LaVine G
WHY FOR PORTLAND
They seem to be intent on winning and here they make a win-now move bringing in 2 highly paid but very talented vets on board in Sabonis and Zach. Domantas has familial connections to PDX and would be a fan favorite. His passing and high post offense would be huge with the lanky cutters than PDX has on the roster. Zach has warts but brings scoring at the SG spot to replace Simons and Sharpe (Simons moved in a seperate deal).
WHY FOR SACRAMENTO
They clearly need a shakeup. The prize here is Sharpe who is a young, highly talented player that is a consistent 3PT shot away from being a problem. Ayton slides in as the new C and as a EC is going to save them tons of $$$. Grant has a longer deal but his length, size and athleticism will be a nice change from the current forward situation. RWIII is a EC and due to injury has been devalued, he is mostly salary matching here but if he gets healthy he may have flip potential. They also reunite the twins and get a future FRP. (DDR is traded in a seperate deal)
TRADE 2
Portland Trades
Anfernee Simons G
Duop Reath C
Orlando Trades
Cole Anthony G
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope G
DEN FRP #24
WHY FOR PORTLAND
They are simply ready to move off Simons in this scenario as taking Zachs big deal means they are not paying Anfernee summer 2026. Here they take on 2 guys with deals a year longer than Simons but who fill some bench needs + get a late FRP.
WHY FOR ORLANDO
They have lacked a true bucket getting guard for years and bring the local kid home here while keeping all their blue chip prospects and the higher FRP. Reath has some value as a cheap floor spacer and allows them to explore trades for one of their more highly paid bigs (As they have a logjam)
2025/26 Roster
G - Scoot Henderson / Cole Anthony / Dalano Banton (VM)
G - Zach LaVine / Kentavious Caldwell-Pope / Nique Clifford (DEN FRP)
F - Toumani Camara / Matisse Thybulle / Rayan Rupert
F - Deni Avdija / Domantas Sabonis / Noa Essengue (PDX FRP) / Jabari Walker JR (VM)
C - Domantas Sabonis / Donovan Clingan / VM or BAE / Jabari Walker JR (VM)
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No this isn't enough value to get sabonis, we aren't interested in tying lavines contract into a trade like this just to lower his value.
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A team with Sabonis and Lavine as its best players is a red carpet to nowhere.
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Looks VERY light for Sabonis. Sharpe isn't nearly enough and the rest is filler of about LaVine's value.
The 2nd trade looks possible or even marginally too good for Portland. Orlando certainly wouldn't need Reath but I assume he's there just as salary matching logistics.
The 2nd trade looks possible or even marginally too good for Portland. Orlando certainly wouldn't need Reath but I assume he's there just as salary matching logistics.
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This certainly makes Portland a good team. I just don’t think it’s a path to contention in any meaningful way.
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Tough deal for sac. Lavine sucks and I'd love nothing more than seeing him traded, but doing that to get grants bad money makes this bad for sac.
There's a deal here between sac and Portland it shouldn't include lavine/grant, and needs another pick. But i love Sabonis with the young guns in Portland.
There's a deal here between sac and Portland it shouldn't include lavine/grant, and needs another pick. But i love Sabonis with the young guns in Portland.
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Where is the value the blazers are giving? I see none
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I like it for Portland. I still worry that trading Sharpe could be our version of trading Halliburton for Sabonis, but I think it does make the team better while retaining assets to make further improvements (which will still be needed). I was hesitant to have both Simons and LaVine, but then I read Trade 2 which I do believe balances the roster more. This trade seems to have us keeping the 2025 pick (surprisingly), so I’d suspect they would start looking for a replacement for either Grant’s contributions off the bench or a long term SG solution for when they eventually move on from LaVine.
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BoogieTime wrote:Where is the value the blazers are giving? I see none
I get saying not enough, but Sharpe and a 1st is certainly not “none.”
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you are going to need to send Deni or Clingan or the kings hang up the phone. Trading Sabonis is not the same situation as trading fox, you can't just try to give us your scraps and think we will be happy about it.
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Myth wrote:BoogieTime wrote:Where is the value the blazers are giving? I see none
I get saying not enough, but Sharpe and a 1st is certainly not “none.”
My apologies. Sharpe is still young and productive, true
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longfellow44 wrote:you are going to need to send Deni or Clingan or the kings hang up the phone. Trading Sabonis is not the same situation as trading fox, you can't just try to give us your scraps and think we will be happy about it.
Please, hang up the phone.
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I like the bold nature of this for Portland, but agree with everyone else, there just isn't much there for the Kings. Sharpe and a worst of pick 4 years from now is underwhelming and I'd rather have LaVine than Grant/Ayton so even that sucks out a bit of value.
I think I'd simplify this to Ayton/Clingan plus for Sabonis as the basis. Clingan makes the most sense as a value piece going out if you add Sabonis, then add value until you get there.
I think I'd simplify this to Ayton/Clingan plus for Sabonis as the basis. Clingan makes the most sense as a value piece going out if you add Sabonis, then add value until you get there.
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I love #2, I’d welcome Reath to ORL because ORL has way too much $$$ invested in the AC spot and needs to shed someone and replace with a less expensive big body that can eat a few minutes. Obviously, a second deal sending out Goga or WCJ. Moe Wagner is not a suitable starter, but an excellent bench scorer. If not someone like Reath, there are some very interesting CJ’s late in this years draft and ORL has 4 picks.
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Texas Chuck wrote:I like the bold nature of this for Portland, but agree with everyone else, there just isn't much there for the Kings. Sharpe and a worst of pick 4 years from now is underwhelming and I'd rather have LaVine than Grant/Ayton so even that sucks out a bit of value.
I think I'd simplify this to Ayton/Clingan plus for Sabonis as the basis. Clingan makes the most sense as a value piece going out if you add Sabonis, then add value until you get there.
The hope here would be to retain a number of + defenders to alleviate Sabonis on that end. I really cant see PDX giving up DC this quick.
Ayton + PDX FRP would be the offer in reality most likely.
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Genuine question from a Blazers fan: can a Kings fan give me a bit more detail as to how you all have envisioned Sabonis functioning as second option (I'm assuming a first option is out of the question) on legitimately contending team? Does he need certain pieces around him? Can he play the 4 at all when it counts? Is it a total nonstarter?
I've liked watching Sabonis from the outside, but I will admit I am a touch skeptical as to how he can elevate a team during the playoffs. His positional shortcomings on defense make me question his effectiveness and give me slight David Lee vibes (I said, "slight," okay!). Setting aside what the Blazers would send in return, I get a bit nervous with him on $46.5 million per year deal.
Is this such an obvious upgrade that the Blazers should spend significant capital (probably locking themselves out of any bigger move) going in this direction in a move legitimately toward contention or is this signing on to being an 8th/9th seed for the foreseeable future?
I've liked watching Sabonis from the outside, but I will admit I am a touch skeptical as to how he can elevate a team during the playoffs. His positional shortcomings on defense make me question his effectiveness and give me slight David Lee vibes (I said, "slight," okay!). Setting aside what the Blazers would send in return, I get a bit nervous with him on $46.5 million per year deal.
Is this such an obvious upgrade that the Blazers should spend significant capital (probably locking themselves out of any bigger move) going in this direction in a move legitimately toward contention or is this signing on to being an 8th/9th seed for the foreseeable future?
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The Graduate wrote:Genuine question from a Blazers fan: can a Kings fan give me a bit more detail as to how you all have envisioned Sabonis functioning as second option (I'm assuming a first option is out of the question) on legitimately contending team? Does he need certain pieces around him? Can he play the 4 at all when it counts? Is it a total nonstarter?
I've liked watching Sabonis from the outside, but I will admit I am a touch skeptical as to how he can elevate a team during the playoffs. His positional shortcomings on defense make me question his effectiveness and give me slight David Lee vibes (I said, "slight," okay!). Setting aside what the Blazers would send in return, I get a bit nervous with him on $46.5 million per year deal.
Is this such an obvious upgrade that the Blazers should spend significant capital (probably locking themselves out of any bigger move) going in this direction in a move legitimately toward contention or is this signing on to being an 8th/9th seed for the foreseeable future?
Honestly sabonis is an easy player to build around. He needs a good defender next to him that is mobile and can block shots, he works best in the pick and roll so guys that move with or without the ball are helpful, consistent 3 points shooting is great for him as well.
The issue that the kings have had for 3 seasons now is that we haven't tried to add a long defender next to him and that we keep adding ball stoppers like DeRozan and lavine to a lesser extent.
Ideally the kings roster looks like this next year
Starting point guard that has range
Monk/Ellis
Keegan/ laravia
Long power forward
Sabonis/valanciunas
Kings trade DeRozan and lavine to get the needed pieces, even if they are less talented pieces than DeRozan and lavine. I get that it isn't realistic to move lavine with his contract but the kings could move DeRozan to try to plug some holes.
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