TOR - ORL: Gradey Dick to the Magic

[MessiahUjiri]

Orlando seems a logical destination for Gradey Dick. They are looking for shooting/scoring, and recently spent a lotto pick on a shooter (J Howard).

Gradey avgd >14 ppg as a second year player, and has drawn a lot of comparisons to Gordon Hayward (and even Reggie Miller lite)

The Magic are looking to compete, and are unlikely to use the 4 picks they have in this draft (16, 21, 46, 57)

The Raptors have too many on-ball players at the 2-3 spot, and not enough minutes. Their front offense has been talking about the depth of this draft for some time.

This trade is premised on the fact that the Raps FO loves someone at #16 (eg C Bryant, N Traore, E Demin)


Option 1:
Gradey Dick for #16 and 2 2nds (#46, ORL ‘26)


Option 2:
Gradey Dick, #39 for Wendell Carter, #21



Orlando will still have multiple picks in the draft after trading for Gradey. He can plug into their starting lineup right away, or come off the bench as a flamethrower.

[giberish]

While Dick can shoot his overall game is still limited. Penciling him in as a starter for a good team feels like a major reach. If he was that good Toronto would strongly want to keep him - they need a shooter to complement Ingram/Barrett/Barnes (and there's plenty of minutes for a 4th guy in the SG/SF/PF range).

[yellowknifer]

Toronto does want to keep him. They had him operating way out of his comfort zone this year and they are high on his future. Still super young. But we have a lot of guards and need some size to balance the roster. Dick would fit well with a healthy magic team. Dallas makes sense too.

[Donkedave]

Toronto wants to be paying tax next year? That will put them 232k shy of it and still need to pay pick 7 & maybe 16.

[yellowknifer]

Toronto wants to be paying tax next year? That will put them 232k shy of it and still need to pay pick 7 & maybe 16.

They would if they thought the playoffs was a sure thing I think. Ujiri said they would if the situation were right in his last press conference. They are owned by a publicly traded company. It’s a concern and it has likely forced some deals ands moves in the past that were criticized.

[JT3000]

Orlando seems a logical destination for Gradey Dick. They are looking for shooting/scoring, and recently spent a lotto pick on a shooter (J Howard).

Gradey avgd >14 ppg as a second year player, and has drawn a lot of comparisons to Gordon Hayward (and even Reggie Miller lite)

The Magic are looking to compete, and are unlikely to use the 4 picks they have in this draft (16, 21, 46, 57)

The Raptors have too many on-ball players at the 2-3 spot, and not enough minutes. Their front offense has been talking about the depth of this draft for some time.

This trade is premised on the fact that the Raps FO loves someone at #16 (eg C Bryant, N Traore, E Demin)


Option 1:
Gradey Dick for #16 and 2 2nds (#46, ORL ‘26)


Option 2:
Gradey Dick, #39 for Wendell Carter, #21



Orlando will still have multiple picks in the draft after trading for Gradey. He can plug into their starting lineup right away, or come off the bench as a flamethrower.

Can you explain why you have the Magic trading the better player AND the better pick? I don't think I'd even trade the draft pick.

[Ell Curry]

I don't see Toronto doing this in real life (they seem very high on Grady despite his hideous defence), but Grady for a pick to take a center makes sense if Toronto drafts a wing with their own pick (especially if it's say Tre Johnson or Knueppel).

[Skybox]

I’d do WCJ and Isaac for Poeltl & Dick (no picks).

A couple of solid defensive bigs would complement TOR’s wings. Isaac’s salary drops to $15 next season. Even in limited minutes off the bench, he’s a defensive menace to complement Barrett & Ingram. He’d also be a tremendous unselfish influence on Maluach, if they draft him…WCJ has enough offensive & defensive versatility to play at the 4 with a monster like Maluach at C.

What I really want is draft rights to Maluach for ORL.

[MessiahUjiri]

Orlando seems a logical destination for Gradey Dick. They are looking for shooting/scoring, and recently spent a lotto pick on a shooter (J Howard).

Gradey avgd >14 ppg as a second year player, and has drawn a lot of comparisons to Gordon Hayward (and even Reggie Miller lite)

The Magic are looking to compete, and are unlikely to use the 4 picks they have in this draft (16, 21, 46, 57)

The Raptors have too many on-ball players at the 2-3 spot, and not enough minutes. Their front offense has been talking about the depth of this draft for some time.

This trade is premised on the fact that the Raps FO loves someone at #16 (eg C Bryant, N Traore, E Demin)


Option 1:
Gradey Dick for #16 and 2 2nds (#46, ORL ‘26)


Option 2:
Gradey Dick, #39 for Wendell Carter, #21



Orlando will still have multiple picks in the draft after trading for Gradey. He can plug into their starting lineup right away, or come off the bench as a flamethrower.

Can you explain why you have the Magic trading the better player AND the better pick? I don't think I'd even trade the draft pick.

WCJ is less valuable than Gradey because his impact is limited. He doesn’t anchor the D as a paint big, nor does he shoot well (27%) to stretch the floor.

He puts up raw stats, but he’s ideally closer to a bench big. He has empty calories.

Contrast that to Gradey who is much younger, a better scorer, and clearly proficient at a defined skill (shooting).

For the record, another magic fan proposed Option B some time back in another thread. If you don’t agree that WCJ is less valuable than Gradey, that’s fine as your opinion. It’s one of the reasons there’s 2 options here.

[jbk1234]

Value aside, I don't think the Raptors can do this due to WCJ's extension. After it kicks in, they'd have like $190M committed to 6 players.

[yellowknifer]

I’d do WCJ and Isaac for Poeltl & Dick (no picks).

A couple of solid defensive bigs would complement TOR’s wings. Isaac’s salary drops to $15 next season. Even in limited minutes off the bench, he’s a defensive menace to complement Barrett & Ingram. He’d also be a tremendous unselfish influence on Maluach, if they draft him…WCJ has enough offensive & defensive versatility to play at the 4 with a monster like Maluach at C.

What I really want is draft rights to Maluach for ORL.

Jakob was our best player last year. They are high on Gradey. They wouldn’t do that deal. I like both guys offered, but Isaac has terrible injury history and Carter isn’t as good as Jakob. Not even close really. He brings some shooting, but you lose almost everywhere else.

[DKB333]

While Dick can shoot his overall game is still limited. Penciling him in as a starter for a good team feels like a major reach. If he was that good Toronto would strongly want to keep him - they need a shooter to complement Ingram/Barrett/Barnes (and there's plenty of minutes for a 4th guy in the SG/SF/PF range).

He really is not a great 3pt shooter like some may think. He hits from the corners but man does he struggle with above the break 3s. He needs to get stronger. He is a target out there. I would love to see him moved this offseason while he still may have some value.

[Devilanche]

What I really want is draft rights to Maluach for ORL.

How many more center does Orlando wants ? Time to find a solution to the point guard hole.

[Skybox]

I’d do WCJ and Isaac for Poeltl & Dick (no picks).

A couple of solid defensive bigs would complement TOR’s wings. Isaac’s salary drops to $15 next season. Even in limited minutes off the bench, he’s a defensive menace to complement Barrett & Ingram. He’d also be a tremendous unselfish influence on Maluach, if they draft him…WCJ has enough offensive & defensive versatility to play at the 4 with a monster like Maluach at C.

What I really want is draft rights to Maluach for ORL.

Jakob was our best player last year. They are high on Gradey. They wouldn’t do that deal. I like both guys offered, but Isaac has terrible injury history and Carter isn’t as good as Jakob. Not even close really. He brings some shooting, but you lose almost everywhere else.

I didn’t think Poeltl was valued like that- many mocks have Masai drooling over Maluach, so I looked at it like taking Poeltl’s deal off your hands, while providing more versatile bigs that can switch all over AND, eventually, play with Maluach. I really don’t care that much about Gradey- his 3 and 3 game won’t likely displace Suggs or KCP or AB’s 3&D anyway. I’m not correcting you or arguing- I may have had the wrong idea of Poeltl/TOR.

How about #16, #24, KCP and Jett Howard (add vet defensive toughness and 3&D, another prospect, picks and take RJ off your hands)
*im not saying RJ doesn’t have value, but he’s overpaid & usually inefficient and, maybe, less of a fit than KCP, with Ingram & Barnes

For

RJ Barrett & #8 (assuming Maluach)

[Skybox]

What I really want is draft rights to Maluach for ORL.

How many more center does Orlando wants ? Time to find a solution to the point guard hole.

Not hoarding Centers…trying to find the right one. WCJ and/or Goga will have trade value for next…I’m actually able to look at more than one thing at a time.

[mademan]

I’d do WCJ and Isaac for Poeltl & Dick (no picks).

A couple of solid defensive bigs would complement TOR’s wings. Isaac’s salary drops to $15 next season. Even in limited minutes off the bench, he’s a defensive menace to complement Barrett & Ingram. He’d also be a tremendous unselfish influence on Maluach, if they draft him…WCJ has enough offensive & defensive versatility to play at the 4 with a monster like Maluach at C.

What I really want is draft rights to Maluach for ORL.

Jakob was our best player last year. They are high on Gradey. They wouldn’t do that deal. I like both guys offered, but Isaac has terrible injury history and Carter isn’t as good as Jakob. Not even close really. He brings some shooting, but you lose almost everywhere else.

I didn’t think Poeltl was valued like that- many mocks have Masai drooling over Maluach, so I looked at it like taking Poeltl’s deal off your hands, while providing more versatile bigs that can switch all over AND, eventually, play with Maluach. I really don’t care that much about Gradey- his 3 and 3 game won’t likely displace Suggs or KCP or AB’s 3&D anyway. I’m not correcting you or arguing- I may have had the wrong idea of Poeltl/TOR.

How about #16, #24, KCP and Jett Howard (add vet defensive toughness and 3&D, another prospect, picks and take RJ off your hands)
*im not saying RJ doesn’t have value, but he’s overpaid & usually inefficient and, maybe, less of a fit than KCP, with Ingram & Barnes

For

RJ Barrett & #8 (assuming Maluach)

This is probably closer than the Poeltl trade in value wise, but the Raps arent gonna pay to get off of RJ's contract. He doesnt actually hurt our flexibiility right now and by the time he would, his contract will be up and he can either walk or be reasonable in what he wants (or improve, i guess, thats an option)

I actually dont mind trading back from 8 as i dont like the prospects there much, but the FO has liked to just get their guy, even if theyre perceived to reach at the time rather than trade down (what they did for Scottie in his draft)

[Skybox]

Orlando seems a logical destination for Gradey Dick. They are looking for shooting/scoring, and recently spent a lotto pick on a shooter (J Howard).

Gradey avgd >14 ppg as a second year player, and has drawn a lot of comparisons to Gordon Hayward (and even Reggie Miller lite)

The Magic are looking to compete, and are unlikely to use the 4 picks they have in this draft (16, 21, 46, 57)

The Raptors have too many on-ball players at the 2-3 spot, and not enough minutes. Their front offense has been talking about the depth of this draft for some time.

This trade is premised on the fact that the Raps FO loves someone at #16 (eg C Bryant, N Traore, E Demin)


Option 1:
Gradey Dick for #16 and 2 2nds (#46, ORL ‘26)


Option 2:
Gradey Dick, #39 for Wendell Carter, #21



Orlando will still have multiple picks in the draft after trading for Gradey. He can plug into their starting lineup right away, or come off the bench as a flamethrower.

Can you explain why you have the Magic trading the better player AND the better pick? I don't think I'd even trade the draft pick.

WCJ is less valuable than Gradey because his impact is limited. He doesn’t anchor the D as a paint big, nor does he shoot well (27%) to stretch the floor.

He puts up raw stats, but he’s ideally closer to a bench big. He has empty calories.

Contrast that to Gradey who is much younger, a better scorer, and clearly proficient at a defined skill (shooting).

For the record, another magic fan proposed Option B some time back in another thread. If you don’t agree that WCJ is less valuable than Gradey, that’s fine as your opinion. It’s one of the reasons there’s 2 options here.

Mosely would have Gradey sitting right next to Jett Howard…ORL’s shooting issues can largely be attributed to ball movement & creating quality shots…if there’s no D with your 3, you’re not playing in ORL. Since Cory Joseph, an old and mediocre but TRUE PG has been getting minutes, everyone on the roster has magically remembered how to shoot like they have historically. WCJ is far more impactful defensively than you’re crediting him…look at his defensive metrics- he’s not a “meet you at the rim/highlight reel” guy, but he’s VERY strong, very physical, can switch onto smaller players very well, and a solid positional defender. IMO, however, Paolo & Franz would be better complemented by a simple rim-running, 12 rpg monster in the middle, catching lobs and dunking putbacks. I’ve also maintained that much of WCJ’s offensive versatility is not put to use in that frontcourt and he would put up bigger numbers elsewhere.

[Skybox]

Jakob was our best player last year. They are high on Gradey. They wouldn’t do that deal. I like both guys offered, but Isaac has terrible injury history and Carter isn’t as good as Jakob. Not even close really. He brings some shooting, but you lose almost everywhere else.

I didn’t think Poeltl was valued like that- many mocks have Masai drooling over Maluach, so I looked at it like taking Poeltl’s deal off your hands, while providing more versatile bigs that can switch all over AND, eventually, play with Maluach. I really don’t care that much about Gradey- his 3 and 3 game won’t likely displace Suggs or KCP or AB’s 3&D anyway. I’m not correcting you or arguing- I may have had the wrong idea of Poeltl/TOR.

How about #16, #24, KCP and Jett Howard (add vet defensive toughness and 3&D, another prospect, picks and take RJ off your hands)
*im not saying RJ doesn’t have value, but he’s overpaid & usually inefficient and, maybe, less of a fit than KCP, with Ingram & Barnes

For

RJ Barrett & #8 (assuming Maluach)

This is probably closer than the Poeltl trade in value wise, but the Raps arent gonna pay to get off of RJ's contract. He doesnt actually hurt our flexibiility right now and by the time he would, his contract will be up and he can either walk or be reasonable in what he wants (or improve, i guess, thats an option)

I actually dont mind trading back from 8 as i dont like the prospects there much, but the FO has liked to just get their guy, even if theyre perceived to reach at the time rather than trade down (what they did for Scottie in his draft)

There’s a lot of value in that package- I’d hardly call it paying to get off RJ’s deal

[mademan]

I didn’t think Poeltl was valued like that- many mocks have Masai drooling over Maluach, so I looked at it like taking Poeltl’s deal off your hands, while providing more versatile bigs that can switch all over AND, eventually, play with Maluach. I really don’t care that much about Gradey- his 3 and 3 game won’t likely displace Suggs or KCP or AB’s 3&D anyway. I’m not correcting you or arguing- I may have had the wrong idea of Poeltl/TOR.

How about #16, #24, KCP and Jett Howard (add vet defensive toughness and 3&D, another prospect, picks and take RJ off your hands)
*im not saying RJ doesn’t have value, but he’s overpaid & usually inefficient and, maybe, less of a fit than KCP, with Ingram & Barnes

For

RJ Barrett & #8 (assuming Maluach)

This is probably closer than the Poeltl trade in value wise, but the Raps arent gonna pay to get off of RJ's contract. He doesnt actually hurt our flexibiility right now and by the time he would, his contract will be up and he can either walk or be reasonable in what he wants (or improve, i guess, thats an option)

I actually dont mind trading back from 8 as i dont like the prospects there much, but the FO has liked to just get their guy, even if theyre perceived to reach at the time rather than trade down (what they did for Scottie in his draft)

There’s a lot of value in that package- I’d hardly call it paying to get off RJ’s deal

I dont have KCP (bad contract) +Jett (fringe prospect) as being better than RJ and i probably wouldnt make that trade straight up (and im really not a fan of RJ). 8 for 16 + 24 isnt great value. But who knows, Masai might not like anyone at 8.

[Godaddycurse]

I didn’t think Poeltl was valued like that- many mocks have Masai drooling over Maluach, so I looked at it like taking Poeltl’s deal off your hands, while providing more versatile bigs that can switch all over AND, eventually, play with Maluach. I really don’t care that much about Gradey- his 3 and 3 game won’t likely displace Suggs or KCP or AB’s 3&D anyway. I’m not correcting you or arguing- I may have had the wrong idea of Poeltl/TOR.

How about #16, #24, KCP and Jett Howard (add vet defensive toughness and 3&D, another prospect, picks and take RJ off your hands)
*im not saying RJ doesn’t have value, but he’s overpaid & usually inefficient and, maybe, less of a fit than KCP, with Ingram & Barnes

For

RJ Barrett & #8 (assuming Maluach)

This is probably closer than the Poeltl trade in value wise, but the Raps arent gonna pay to get off of RJ's contract. He doesnt actually hurt our flexibiility right now and by the time he would, his contract will be up and he can either walk or be reasonable in what he wants (or improve, i guess, thats an option)

I actually dont mind trading back from 8 as i dont like the prospects there much, but the FO has liked to just get their guy, even if theyre perceived to reach at the time rather than trade down (what they did for Scottie in his draft)

There’s a lot of value in that package- I’d hardly call it paying to get off RJ’s deal

7-8 is much more valuable than 16 + 24. 16 + 24 get you to ~11-12 pick only. KCP and Howard doesnt make up the gap to 7-8