Suggs for Bane

[esvl]

Suggs would bring lots of defensive tenacity the Grizz seems missing.

Bane would give Orlando an elite scorer and shooter, a secondary playmaker.

Who should add?

[ReggiesKnicks]

Bane is significantly better than Suggs.

[NotACat]

It makes sense from a talent perspective, but I think Orlando says no due to the contracts.

Suggs is on a declining contract with a 5th year team option while Bane is owed more money than Suggs every year of their contract. In the 28-29 season, it works out to a bit over an $18M difference in cap space. That's just too much money for the role Bane will have with how much they'll be paying Paolo and Franz.

[HornetJail]

Suggs is basically the absolute best case scenario of what Memphis was hoping for when they traded for Smart. Would be a nice pickup but I don't think they part with Bane to make it happen, even though Bane has an enormous contract.

[BarbaGrizz]

This is out-of-the-box and makes too much sense for both teams.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Suggs is basically the absolute best case scenario of what Memphis was hoping for when they traded for Smart. Would be a nice pickup but I don't think they part with Bane to make it happen, even though Bane has an enormous contract.

Most Top 40-50 players have contracts like Bane's.

[QMemphis]

I actually would like to do Bane/Clarke for Black/KCP/WCJ

That trade works better for both teams in my opinion.

[Godaddycurse]

if sugg's 3 pt shooting continues to be subpar then i dont like the fit w/ Morant

[Skybox]

Suggs might be an overpaid elite 3&D guy with an extension starting at $35m and descending steeply

Bane IS an overpaid elite 3&D guy with an extension starting around $34m and ascending steeply

Both are very good 2-way players...Bane is the superior proven 3pt shooter, but Suggs shot 39.7% last season on high volume and is the superior defender. Will the shooting progress or was it an outlier? He's only 23, Bane is 26. Both are 6'5 and have football bodies. Bane's biceps are bigger - which is handy, I guess.

In a vacuum, I'd have to say Bane is the better player today, but that salary disparity is going to be pretty significant year after year and I see more playmaking developing (Bane is a very good playmaker) with Suggs and, again, he's the better defender - to the point of being a guy you have to game plan for on that end as he's so aggressively disruptive, not just a stopper, but a guy that creates problems proactively.

Both are really good two way players, but Bane's contract is the killer for me. He's an elite role player and flirting with superstar player salary.

[Skybox]

I actually would like to do Bane/Clarke for Black/KCP/WCJ

That trade works better for both teams in my opinion.

I love the value for ORL, but they already have Suggs...Bane is too expensive for another Suggs-even if he's a better Suggs. They need a PG not yet another 3&D overpay to throw on the pile.

[ReggiesKnicks]

I actually would like to do Bane/Clarke for Black/KCP/WCJ

That trade works better for both teams in my opinion.

I love the value for ORL, but they already have Suggs...Bane is too expensive for another Suggs-even if he's a better Suggs. They need a PG not yet another 3&D overpay to throw on the pile.

Bane has averaged over 5 assists/game the past 2 seasons and only ~40% of his FGA are 3PA. He isn't a 3+D player.

For comparison, Bane averages more assists than Anthony Edwards while Edwards also shoots a higher 3PAR. Is Anthony Edwards a 3+D?

[Skybox]

I actually would like to do Bane/Clarke for Black/KCP/WCJ

That trade works better for both teams in my opinion.

I love the value for ORL, but they already have Suggs...Bane is too expensive for another Suggs-even if he's a better Suggs. They need a PG not yet another 3&D overpay to throw on the pile.

Bane has averaged over 5 assists/game the past 2 seasons and only ~40% of his FGA are 3PA. He isn't a 3+D player.

For comparison, Bane averages more assists than Anthony Edwards while Edwards also shoots a higher 3PAR. Is Anthony Edwards a 3+D?

Fair enough, but that doesn't make him an exceptional ballhandler or PG either. It's not a good fit or paycheck for that role.

I'd take my chances with Ant...he's no Ant.

[ReggiesKnicks]

I love the value for ORL, but they already have Suggs...Bane is too expensive for another Suggs-even if he's a better Suggs. They need a PG not yet another 3&D overpay to throw on the pile.

Bane has averaged over 5 assists/game the past 2 seasons and only ~40% of his FGA are 3PA. He isn't a 3+D player.

For comparison, Bane averages more assists than Anthony Edwards while Edwards also shoots a higher 3PAR. Is Anthony Edwards a 3+D?

Fair enough, but that doesn't make him an exceptional ballhandler or PG either. It's not a good fit or paycheck for that role.

I'd take my chances with Ant...he's no Ant.

Right, but Bane can juice an offense far more than a typical 3+D player. Assuming Wagner/Paolo are going to improve and not be mediocre offensive players, then Bane should be able to provide enough offensively to make the offense hum.

[Skybox]

Bane has averaged over 5 assists/game the past 2 seasons and only ~40% of his FGA are 3PA. He isn't a 3+D player.

For comparison, Bane averages more assists than Anthony Edwards while Edwards also shoots a higher 3PAR. Is Anthony Edwards a 3+D?

Fair enough, but that doesn't make him an exceptional ballhandler or PG either. It's not a good fit or paycheck for that role.

I'd take my chances with Ant...he's no Ant.

Right, but Bane can juice an offense far more than a typical 3+D player. Assuming Wagner/Paolo are going to improve and not be mediocre offensive players, then Bane should be able to provide enough offensively to make the offense hum.

They’ll never be mediocre with or without Bane.

Send us Ja if Bane can playmake for MEM…or Nembhard

[ReggiesKnicks]

Fair enough, but that doesn't make him an exceptional ballhandler or PG either. It's not a good fit or paycheck for that role.

I'd take my chances with Ant...he's no Ant.

Right, but Bane can juice an offense far more than a typical 3+D player. Assuming Wagner/Paolo are going to improve and not be mediocre offensive players, then Bane should be able to provide enough offensively to make the offense hum.

They’ll never be mediocre with or without Bane.

Send us Ja if Bane can playmake for MEM…or Nembhard

What does Nembhard have to do with this?

[Skybox]

Right, but Bane can juice an offense far more than a typical 3+D player. Assuming Wagner/Paolo are going to improve and not be mediocre offensive players, then Bane should be able to provide enough offensively to make the offense hum.

They’ll never be mediocre with or without Bane.

Send us Ja if Bane can playmake for MEM…or Nembhard

What does Nembhard have to do with this?

I see that you're a Pacer fan...that's the guy I'd really want

[esvl]

They’ll never be mediocre with or without Bane.

Send us Ja if Bane can playmake for MEM…or Nembhard

What does Nembhard have to do with this?

I see that you're a Pacer fan...that's the guy I'd really want

You prefer Nembhard over Bane?

[ReggiesKnicks]

What does Nembhard have to do with this?

I see that you're a Pacer fan...that's the guy I'd really want

You prefer Nembhard over Bane?

I can only assume the rationale is money and Skybox thinking the Magic can give up non-Banchero/Wagner/Suggs assets.

[Skybox]

I see that you're a Pacer fan...that's the guy I'd really want

You prefer Nembhard over Bane?

I can only assume the rationale is money and Skybox thinking the Magic can give up non-Banchero/Wagner/Suggs assets.

In a pickup game I take Bane all day...Nembhard is a guy I think would be a great fit in ORL....but I've been chased out of IND forums for suggesting it.

[schaffy]

Suggs might be an overpaid elite 3&D guy with an extension starting at $35m and descending steeply

Bane IS an overpaid elite 3&D guy with an extension starting around $34m and ascending steeply

Both are very good 2-way players...Bane is the superior proven 3pt shooter, but Suggs shot 39.7% last season on high volume and is the superior defender. Will the shooting progress or was it an outlier? He's only 23, Bane is 26. Both are 6'5 and have football bodies. Bane's biceps are bigger - which is handy, I guess.

In a vacuum, I'd have to say Bane is the better player today, but that salary disparity is going to be pretty significant year after year and I see more playmaking developing (Bane is a very good playmaker) with Suggs and, again, he's the better defender - to the point of being a guy you have to game plan for on that end as he's so aggressively disruptive, not just a stopper, but a guy that creates problems proactively.

Both are really good two way players, but Bane's contract is the killer for me. He's an elite role player and flirting with superstar player salary.

You keep referring to Suggs as a 3&D guy, is that because that's what you want him to be? Because he's been comfortably below average as a 3pt shooter for 3 out of 4 years, on a healthy volume, that he isn't bringing the 3 part of that equation. He does a lot of other stuff really well and he's a good basketball player. But 3 point shooting isn't it. At this point last yr looks like the outlier, similar to the 1 hot year from jaden mcdaniels right before he got paid too.

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