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What could Denver get in return for MPJ? They can use the Saric/Nnaji/Strawther/Watson contracts (+2031 FRP) to match or sweeten any deal.

KINGS for Lavine?

BULLS for P.Williams/Huerter/Smith..?

PISTONS for Harris/Sasser/Fontecchio..?

HEAT(+Saric/Nnaji) for Robinson/Wiggins..?

HOUSTON for D.Brooks/Whitmore/Landale..?

DALLAS for Klay/Gafford/Hardy..?

SUNS(+ Denver 31+Watson+Nnaji) for KD..?

MAGIC for Isaak/KCP..?


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I think Denver is screwed. Gordon is on too good of a deal for Denver to even consider trading him, which leaves Jamal Murray (no one is signing up to pay him $55M/year) and MPJ -- and no one is taking him unless it is at a severe discount or for some other garbage contract. And Denver can't even really sweeten the pot with picks.

So I dunno.

Maybe:

Denver gets Bridges and G Williams
Charlotte gets MPJ and Nnaji

Charlotte only does this trade for culture reasons, imo.


Denver gets P George
Philadelphia gets MPJ, filler and a pick swap


Denver gets Hachimura, Kleber, Vincent
Lakers get MPJ


Denver gets Jerami Grant and R Williams
Portland gets MPJ

As a Sixers fan, I would consider George for MPJ + Nnaji straight up. I think George is the better player, but MPJ is younger and a better rebounder.

ProcessDoctor wrote:As a Sixers fan, I would consider George for MPJ + Nnaji straight up. I think George is the better player, but MPJ is younger and a better rebounder.

Paul George is the worst contract in the league. Yes, even worse than Beal.

SA37 wrote:I think Denver is screwed. Gordon is on too good of a deal for Denver to even consider trading him, which leaves Jamal Murray (no one is signing up to pay him $55M/year) and MPJ -- and no one is taking him unless it is at a severe discount or for some other garbage contract. And Denver can't even really sweeten the pot with picks.

So I dunno.

Maybe:

Denver gets Bridges and G Williams
Charlotte gets MPJ and Nnaji

Charlotte only does this trade for culture reasons, imo.


Denver gets P George
Philadelphia gets MPJ, filler and a pick swap


Denver gets Hachimura, Kleber, Vincent
Lakers get MPJ


Denver gets Jerami Grant and R Williams
Portland gets MPJ

I don't see any way Denver adds a pick swap for the older player who makes more and seemed more interest in podcasts than playing basketball. I'm skeptical they agree to the trade straight up.

The Blazers trade makes Denver worse.

The only trade that Nuggets might consider is the Hornets one.

Slim Charless wrote:

ProcessDoctor wrote:As a Sixers fan, I would consider George for MPJ + Nnaji straight up. I think George is the better player, but MPJ is younger and a better rebounder.

Paul George is the worst contract in the league. Yes, even worse than Beal.

He had one bad season. Can we not pretend everything before last season didn't exist?

Beal has always played below his reputation.

People did the same treatment with Harden when he was a Sixer.

ProcessDoctor wrote:

Slim Charless wrote:

ProcessDoctor wrote:As a Sixers fan, I would consider George for MPJ + Nnaji straight up. I think George is the better player, but MPJ is younger and a better rebounder.

Paul George is the worst contract in the league. Yes, even worse than Beal.

He had one bad season. Can we not pretend everything before last season didn't exist?

Beal has always played below his reputation.

People did the same treatment with Harden when he was a Sixer.

Harden was never thought to have the worst deal in the league

Don’t see Dallas as a fit unless AD is open to playing heavier minutes at center.

Do think Det makes a lot of sense.

Chicago’s deal should include Ayo and Jalen not Huerter imo.

But I think Denver can build a bench around their top 4 and be a lot better next season..

No disrespect to Russ, but.. A new bench PG, Holmes in place of Saric/DJ, and an 8-10 mill wing in place of Nnaji. Or a different direction like Holmes+Nnaji for two of those needs, while using the taxMLE on the third (should have the breathing room for that under the second apron I think)

Slim Charless wrote:

ProcessDoctor wrote:

Slim Charless wrote:
Paul George is the worst contract in the league. Yes, even worse than Beal.

He had one bad season. Can we not pretend everything before last season didn't exist?

Beal has always played below his reputation.

People did the same treatment with Harden when he was a Sixer.

Harden was never thought to have the worst deal in the league

When PG was still a Clipper and Harden a Sixer, people laughed at the idea of trading Harden for PG. One year later, everyone holds the exact opposite view.

Before Simmons was traded, people laughed at the idea that he could be traded for Harden. Then it happened. It's the same cyclical absurd absolute narratives people create about how good or bad a players value is.

ProcessDoctor wrote:As a Sixers fan, I would consider George for MPJ + Nnaji straight up. I think George is the better player, but MPJ is younger and a better rebounder.

Would you do PG/top 5 pick for Bridges/Nurkic?

Grant Williams (or Jusuf Nurkic expiring) + Josh Green + Nick Smith Jr + pick #34

Yes, it's a spectacularly unimpressive package, but the pieces kinda make sense for what Denver should be looking for.

Grant Williams - injured till probably November with an ACL. no clue what kind of shape he'll be in next season, but was playing a deluxe PJ Tucker role for us before he went down, and was pretty decent at it. Sub in Nurkic as a backup if Grant is seen as a negative.

Josh Green - definitely attends the KCP school of looking alright with an all-time great playmaker next to him and doing absolutely nothing when he doesn't.

Nick Smith Jr - has microwave bench scorer written all over him, is neither consistent or good at anything else (yet). but there is definitely a very good outside shooter in there somewhere.

There are some cap savings here, and significantly more flexibility with 4 smaller pieces instead of a single gigantic one with likely some red flags. I have my doubts that the on-court product will be better with whatever meager return MPJ is able to pull.

ProcessDoctor wrote:

Slim Charless wrote:

ProcessDoctor wrote:
He had one bad season. Can we not pretend everything before last season didn't exist?

Beal has always played below his reputation.

People did the same treatment with Harden when he was a Sixer.

Harden was never thought to have the worst deal in the league

When PG was still a Clipper and Harden a Sixer, people laughed at the idea of trading Harden for PG. One year later, everyone holds the exact opposite view.

Before Simmons was traded, people laughed at the idea that he could be traded for Harden. Then it happened. It's the same cyclical absurd absolute narratives people create about how good or bad a players value is.

We'll see.

I'm of the opinion that my team and your team are the only guys who can trade with each other for their bad contract players straightup. Beal for PG. I'm sure you think differently.

JustBuzzin wrote:

ProcessDoctor wrote:As a Sixers fan, I would consider George for MPJ + Nnaji straight up. I think George is the better player, but MPJ is younger and a better rebounder.

Would you do PG/top 5 pick for Bridges/Nurkic?

I wouldn’t even trade for the wife beater without the pick.

MPJ to PISTONS
Get a good starting 4 that fits the timeline

Cam Johnson/Okoro/Sasser to DENVER
Replace MPJ with a player of a similar level, improve their depth and save a few million.

T.Harris/Fontecchio/Saric/Denver FRP+ 2 SRP Cavs to NETS
Cam's contract expires... they get a future pick with a lot of potential and they could even trade a good veteran like Harris for more value.

CAVS save money

ProcessDoctor wrote:

JustBuzzin wrote:

ProcessDoctor wrote:As a Sixers fan, I would consider George for MPJ + Nnaji straight up. I think George is the better player, but MPJ is younger and a better rebounder.

Would you do PG/top 5 pick for Bridges/Nurkic?

I wouldn’t even trade for the wife beater without the pick.

Damn!

HornetJail wrote:Grant Williams (or Jusuf Nurkic expiring) + Josh Green + Nick Smith Jr + pick #34

Yes, it's a spectacularly unimpressive package, but the pieces kinda make sense for what Denver should be looking for.

Grant Williams - injured till probably November with an ACL. no clue what kind of shape he'll be in next season, but was playing a deluxe PJ Tucker role for us before he went down, and was pretty decent at it. Sub in Nurkic as a backup if Grant is seen as a negative.

Josh Green - definitely attends the KCP school of looking alright with an all-time great playmaker next to him and doing absolutely nothing when he doesn't.

Nick Smith Jr - has microwave bench scorer written all over him, is neither consistent or good at anything else (yet). but there is definitely a very good outside shooter in there somewhere.

There are some cap savings here, and significantly more flexibility with 4 smaller pieces instead of a single gigantic one with likely some red flags. I have my doubts that the on-court product will be better with whatever meager return MPJ is able to pull.

If the Nuggets get that much worse on the court, they just won't make the trade. They can't tell Jokic to wait through multiple years of his prime.

Slim Charless wrote:

ProcessDoctor wrote:

Slim Charless wrote:
Harden was never thought to have the worst deal in the league

When PG was still a Clipper and Harden a Sixer, people laughed at the idea of trading Harden for PG. One year later, everyone holds the exact opposite view.

Before Simmons was traded, people laughed at the idea that he could be traded for Harden. Then it happened. It's the same cyclical absurd absolute narratives people create about how good or bad a players value is.

We'll see.

I'm of the opinion that my team and your team are the only guys who can trade with each other for their bad contract players straightup. Beal for PG. I'm sure you think differently.

More PG context that I feel is missing here: PG was signed almost assuredly knowing that the back end of his contract would be terrible. The Sixers did so because they had a MVP candidate and short window due to Embiid’s health. So now you’ve got a 35 year old making $50m who just had a bad year in what was supposed to be one of the “good” years of his contract. So what was already acknowledged to be a bad contract is looking even worse after year 1 and any suitor isn’t even getting the “best” year (which was supposed to be this year). I don’t know how anyone is looking at the PG contract and thinks it’s not one of the worst deals out there. It being bad was baked in from the start and now it’s even closer to the really bad years.

ConSarnit wrote:

Slim Charless wrote:

ProcessDoctor wrote:
When PG was still a Clipper and Harden a Sixer, people laughed at the idea of trading Harden for PG. One year later, everyone holds the exact opposite view.

Before Simmons was traded, people laughed at the idea that he could be traded for Harden. Then it happened. It's the same cyclical absurd absolute narratives people create about how good or bad a players value is.

We'll see.

I'm of the opinion that my team and your team are the only guys who can trade with each other for their bad contract players straightup. Beal for PG. I'm sure you think differently.

More PG context that I feel is missing here: PG was signed almost assuredly knowing that the back end of his contract would be terrible. The Sixers did so because they had a MVP candidate and short window due to Embiid’s health. So now you’ve got a 35 year old making $50m who just had a bad year in what was supposed to be one of the “good” years of his contract. So what was already acknowledged to be a bad contract is looking even worse after year 1 and any suitor isn’t even getting the “best” year (which was supposed to be this year). I don’t know how anyone is looking at the PG contract and thinks it’s not one of the worst deals out there. It being bad was baked in from the start and now it’s even closer to the really bad years.

Hence why I think Beal is the only remotely realistic option for the Sixers if they want out of that deal. Beal is a shorter deal and can slot in next to Maxey at the 2.

For the Suns, I'll only do it after we figure out what's happening with KD and Booker and only play PG at the 4 as we have Dunn playing SF. George doesn't have the ability to stay with elite wings anymore.

SA37 wrote:I think Denver is screwed. Gordon is on too good of a deal for Denver to even consider trading him, which leaves Jamal Murray (no one is signing up to pay him $55M/year) and MPJ -- and no one is taking him unless it is at a severe discount or for some other garbage contract. And Denver can't even really sweeten the pot with picks.

So I dunno.

Maybe:

Denver gets Bridges and G Williams
Charlotte gets MPJ and Nnaji

Charlotte only does this trade for culture reasons, imo.

Funny thing I was thinking of this one too. But if you look at next year salaries it could go something like this

Denver gets Bridges and G Williams
Charlotte gets MPJ and Tyson

It is a little bit better for Charlotte without Nnaji's contract

BelgradeNugget wrote:

SA37 wrote:I think Denver is screwed. Gordon is on too good of a deal for Denver to even consider trading him, which leaves Jamal Murray (no one is signing up to pay him $55M/year) and MPJ -- and no one is taking him unless it is at a severe discount or for some other garbage contract. And Denver can't even really sweeten the pot with picks.

So I dunno.

Maybe:

Denver gets Bridges and G Williams
Charlotte gets MPJ and Nnaji

Charlotte only does this trade for culture reasons, imo.

Funny thing I was thinking of this one too. But if you look at next year salaries it could go something like this

Denver gets Bridges and G Williams
Charlotte gets MPJ and Tyson

It is a little bit better for Charlotte without Nnaji's contract

One thing I didn't consider is Denver will likely be over the 2nd apron and would not be able to aggregate players in a trade. It was basically at $189M this past season, and according to Hoopshype, Denver will have $203M in salaries next year. The 2nd apron level will go up, but I assume it'll be similar to the ~3.5% increase we saw from 23-24 to 24-25, which would put the 2nd apron at ~$195M. Denver would need the 2nd apron level to rise about 8% to stay below.