Suns/Magic Basketball trade

[Texas Chuck]

Allen

for

Isaac

I think it should also have a 29 for 25 swap included, but consider that as you like.

Suns go get a versatile defender whose minutes are limited but impact in those minutes is high and Allen's minutes were limited due to roster imbalance unlikely to change with Booker/Beal

Magic don't just need shooting, they need scare you shooting. I'd look to use KCP as part of the salary matching where they go get the PG they also desperately need and so you still have Suggs' defense there. Allen is an elite shooter and a guy who can't be hunted defensively and he can attack closeouts, he's not just a catch and shoot guy.

I have Allen the overall more valuable player hence the Suns moving up, but I also know I value Allen more than most on this board.

[Godaddycurse]

I also have allen more valuable. Maybe send back 25 straight up or multiple seconds on top of the 29/25 swap.

Money wise orlando need to involve a 3rd team to send out more money and avoid triggering hard cap

[Texas Chuck]

Money wise orlando need to involve a 3rd team to send out more money and avoid triggering hard cap

Yeah its good you keep us honest pointing this out My guess is Orlando is probably one of those teams willing to unnecessarily hard cap themselves so they can complain about that when really its a budget preventing them from spending more, but agree they shouldn't trigger it foolishly and its easy to find a 3rd team to dump a small salary on here.

[Skybox]

Allen

for

Isaac

I think it should also have a 29 for 25 swap included, but consider that as you like.

Suns go get a versatile defender whose minutes are limited but impact in those minutes is high and Allen's minutes were limited due to roster imbalance unlikely to change with Booker/Beal

Magic don't just need shooting, they need scare you shooting. I'd look to use KCP as part of the salary matching where they go get the PG they also desperately need and so you still have Suggs' defense there. Allen is an elite shooter and a guy who can't be hunted defensively and he can attack closeouts, he's not just a catch and shoot guy.

I have Allen the overall more valuable player hence the Suns moving up, but I also know I value Allen more than most on this board.

I’m more interested in hearing who the mystery PG is…I’d do the OP if I knew the guard was on the way and KCP was heading out…ORL has a pile of SGs

[Texas Chuck]

I'm more interested in that PG too lol. But we've done the obvious ones to death, my idea of Trae didn't go over super great and so not sure where else to go. But even with the PG, they still need shooting badly.

[Frank Lee]

Isaac makes 10 mil more than Allen. Suns over the second cap. Math needs work. Players fit both ways, but this can’t happen at the moment.

[Texas Chuck]

Isaac makes 10 mil more than Allen. Suns over the second cap. Math needs work. Players fit both ways, but this can’t happen at the moment.

It's using next year's salary number. Sorry should have made that clearer in the OP. Trade Machine already has it updated so I didn't think about it.

[Mr Puddles]

Proposed the same trade a couple of months ago:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2434198&hilit=Isaac


Makes sense for both teams IMO.

Suns desperately need defenders, the Magic desperately need shooters. Isaac and Allen are among the best in the league to do it when it comes to those two skills.

[Texas Chuck]

Sorry Puddles, didn't mean to steal your idea!

Everyone who likes this, credit them for having the idea first. Anyone who doesn't, don't notice they had it first and tell me it sucks.

[thelead]

I'm a big JI fan and would hate to see him go but this one actually makes sense

[Mr Puddles]

Sorry Puddles, didn't mean to steal your idea!

Everyone who likes this, credit them for having the idea first. Anyone who doesn't, don't notice they had it first and tell me it sucks.

All good, I didn't mean this in the sense of "you stole my idea"

Just sharing because some posters will have given their options on this trade in the 'old' thread as well - so those interested in this idea might want to click on the link to get more takes .

[uraverage]

I like it for the Magic. (Just imagine the "they are dirty" talk after the Magic get Allen)

[Texas Chuck]

Sorry Puddles, didn't mean to steal your idea!

Everyone who likes this, credit them for having the idea first. Anyone who doesn't, don't notice they had it first and tell me it sucks.

All good, I didn't mean this in the sense of "you stole my idea"

Just sharing because some posters will have given their options on this trade in the 'old' thread as well - so those interested in this idea might want to click on the link to get more takes .

Oh I know you didn't. But I'm a big believer in making sure the person with the original idea should get the credit for it. And yeah the additional feedback is valuable.

[BlazersBroncos]

Allen

for

Isaac

I think it should also have a 29 for 25 swap included, but consider that as you like.

Suns go get a versatile defender whose minutes are limited but impact in those minutes is high and Allen's minutes were limited due to roster imbalance unlikely to change with Booker/Beal

Magic don't just need shooting, they need scare you shooting. I'd look to use KCP as part of the salary matching where they go get the PG they also desperately need and so you still have Suggs' defense there. Allen is an elite shooter and a guy who can't be hunted defensively and he can attack closeouts, he's not just a catch and shoot guy.

I have Allen the overall more valuable player hence the Suns moving up, but I also know I value Allen more than most on this board.

I’m more interested in hearing who the mystery PG is…I’d do the OP if I knew the guard was on the way and KCP was heading out…ORL has a pile of SGs

If ORL was willing to use #16 in the move I would hope PDX would take the extra years of Cole and KCP in a Simons swap.

Simons + RWIII + Reath for KCP + Cole + Goga + #16 works and actually has ORL taking back 4.5M or so less in salary which would help them w/ the cap. Assuming this move happens as well ORL would be looking at -

G - Anfernee Simons / Jalen Suggs / Vet Min
G - Jalen Suggs / Grayson Allen / Anthony Black
F - Franz Wagner / Anthony Black / Grayson Allen
F - Paolo Banchero / Tristan da Silva / Vet Min
C - Wendell Carter JR / Mo Wagner / Duop Reath

The wildcard being if RWIII is healthy.

[Tim Lehrbach]

Allen

for

Isaac

I think it should also have a 29 for 25 swap included, but consider that as you like.

Suns go get a versatile defender whose minutes are limited but impact in those minutes is high and Allen's minutes were limited due to roster imbalance unlikely to change with Booker/Beal

Magic don't just need shooting, they need scare you shooting. I'd look to use KCP as part of the salary matching where they go get the PG they also desperately need and so you still have Suggs' defense there. Allen is an elite shooter and a guy who can't be hunted defensively and he can attack closeouts, he's not just a catch and shoot guy.

I have Allen the overall more valuable player hence the Suns moving up, but I also know I value Allen more than most on this board.

I’m more interested in hearing who the mystery PG is…I’d do the OP if I knew the guard was on the way and KCP was heading out…ORL has a pile of SGs

If ORL was willing to use #16 in the move I would hope PDX would take the extra years of Cole and KCP in a Simons swap.

Simons + RWIII + Reath for KCP + Cole + Goga + #16 works and actually has ORL taking back 4.5M or so less in salary which would help them w/ the cap. Assuming this move happens as well ORL would be looking at -

G - Anfernee Simons / Jalen Suggs / Vet Min
G - Jalen Suggs / Grayson Allen / Anthony Black
F - Franz Wagner / Anthony Black / Grayson Allen
F - Paolo Banchero / Tristan da Silva / Vet Min
C - Wendell Carter JR / Mo Wagner / Duop Reath

The wildcard being if RWIII is healthy.

Yeah, but where's the point guard?

[Fo-Real]

I’m more interested in hearing who the mystery PG is…I’d do the OP if I knew the guard was on the way and KCP was heading out…ORL has a pile of SGs

If ORL was willing to use #16 in the move I would hope PDX would take the extra years of Cole and KCP in a Simons swap.

Simons + RWIII + Reath for KCP + Cole + Goga + #16 works and actually has ORL taking back 4.5M or so less in salary which would help them w/ the cap. Assuming this move happens as well ORL would be looking at -

G - Anfernee Simons / Jalen Suggs / Vet Min
G - Jalen Suggs / Grayson Allen / Anthony Black
F - Franz Wagner / Anthony Black / Grayson Allen
F - Paolo Banchero / Tristan da Silva / Vet Min
C - Wendell Carter JR / Mo Wagner / Duop Reath

The wildcard being if RWIII is healthy.

Yeah, but where's the point guard?

Dont know about that as far as Pope but Allen most likely had a lot to do with Tyus Jones signing with us, they are good friends. If you trade for him, Tyus may follow or maybe there can be some kind of sign and trade of him if he isnt offered big money from anywhere else? IDK

[ReggiesKnicks]

Allen

for

Isaac

I think it should also have a 29 for 25 swap included, but consider that as you like.

Suns go get a versatile defender whose minutes are limited but impact in those minutes is high and Allen's minutes were limited due to roster imbalance unlikely to change with Booker/Beal

Magic don't just need shooting, they need scare you shooting. I'd look to use KCP as part of the salary matching where they go get the PG they also desperately need and so you still have Suggs' defense there. Allen is an elite shooter and a guy who can't be hunted defensively and he can attack closeouts, he's not just a catch and shoot guy.

I have Allen the overall more valuable player hence the Suns moving up, but I also know I value Allen more than most on this board.

I’m more interested in hearing who the mystery PG is…I’d do the OP if I knew the guard was on the way and KCP was heading out…ORL has a pile of SGs

Quickley

[Godaddycurse]

Allen

for

Isaac

I think it should also have a 29 for 25 swap included, but consider that as you like.

Suns go get a versatile defender whose minutes are limited but impact in those minutes is high and Allen's minutes were limited due to roster imbalance unlikely to change with Booker/Beal

Magic don't just need shooting, they need scare you shooting. I'd look to use KCP as part of the salary matching where they go get the PG they also desperately need and so you still have Suggs' defense there. Allen is an elite shooter and a guy who can't be hunted defensively and he can attack closeouts, he's not just a catch and shoot guy.

I have Allen the overall more valuable player hence the Suns moving up, but I also know I value Allen more than most on this board.

I’m more interested in hearing who the mystery PG is…I’d do the OP if I knew the guard was on the way and KCP was heading out…ORL has a pile of SGs

Quickley

only way i see quickley being dealt is if we draft harper.

[Texas Chuck]

Orlando needs to either go for a legit upgrade or if they are going to settle again, take a guy without that kind of contract commitment. You can pivot off Sexton or Simons or one of the Bulls guys. You could get stuck with IQ. And he's not a guy who is going to take pressure off the forwards even if he plays to his highest possible level.

I don't like that one for them at all.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Orlando needs to either go for a legit upgrade or if they are going to settle again, take a guy without that kind of contract commitment. You can pivot off Sexton or Simons or one of the Bulls guys. You could get stuck with IQ. And he's not a guy who is going to take pressure off the forwards even if he plays to his highest possible level.

I don't like that one for them at all.

Quickley was incredible playing off Randle and Brunson. All the data we have is "Brunson or Randle were mediocre without Quickley and really, really freaking good with Quickley" from 2021-2024 when Quickley was traded.

Maybe last years season, where Toronto was missing their top guys who weren't even very good to begin with is the gauge to assess Quickley. I'm personally a fan of what I have seen on the court when Quickley was spending time with strong offensive players Brunson/Randle and see Wagner/Banchero as similar to that duo rather than R.J. Barrett/Scottie Barnes.