KD for Jaylen: Who adds the pick(s)?

[Hook_Em]

This is more of a question of value rather than actual package considering both teams have their picks locked up. However considering Boston may look to offload long term salary while to the Suns don’t care about spending I could see a potential match here. Also, is there a way for Boston to get under the 2nd apron before a deal like this.

25-26’ -
KD: $54.7m
JB: $49.2m

[babyjax13]

I think Brown would need to go to a third team and Durant + value would have to go to Boston. Maybe Sacramento?

LaVine + 2026 SAC 1st + 2028 SAC 1st for Brown
Brown for Durant + 2026 SAC 1st + 2028 SAC 1st
Durant for LaVine

value to balance, third teams, filler, etc. as needed?

Toronto also makes sense?

[Godaddycurse]

brown makes 53.1M

[jbk1234]

It's not legal. The Celtics can't take in more than they send out. Also, both teams want to get out of the second apron. Also, that's 105% of the cap for three guards on the Suns. You can play Brown at SF, but still.

[hugepatsfan]

It's not legal. The Celtics can't take in more than they send out. Also, both teams want to get out of the second apron. Also, that's 105% of the cap for three guards on the Suns. You can play Brown at SF, but still.

Jaylen Brown at SF isn't in any way shape or form an issue. The Suns problem is the duplication of Booker and Bela at SG, but that's the case before and after any hypothetical Durant/Brown swap so the discussion of that as a roster issue isn't really relevant to this discussion.

[jbk1234]

It's not legal. The Celtics can't take in more than they send out. Also, both teams want to get out of the second apron. Also, that's 105% of the cap for three guards on the Suns. You can play Brown at SF, but still.

Jaylen Brown at SF isn't in any way shape or form an issue. The Suns problem is the duplication of Booker and Bela at SG, but that's the case before and after any hypothetical Durant/Brown swap so the discussion of that as a roster issue isn't really relevant to this discussion.

Durant can play the 4 as to where Brown really shouldn't. This trade leaves the Suns with no starting caliber front court players and they'll still be over the second apron. Just going off of what's been reported, they're looking for some salary relief to duck the second apron.

[hugepatsfan]

If BOS drafts at #28 and #32 and signs those guys, I have them at $24.1M over the 2nd apron next year with 14 players signed:

White / Pritchard / Davidson***
Holiday / Scheierman
Brown / Hauser / Walsh***
Tatum
Porzingis / Queta / Tillman

+ #28 and #32 picks
*** non-guaranteed

The salary piece of the trade would have to be something like:

BOS gives: Brown, Porzingis OR Holiday
BOS gets: Durant

PHX gives: Durant
PHX gets: Brown

DET gives: Fontecchio
DET gets: Porzingis
[I believe they have cap space for this]

BRK or some other team gives: nothing
BRK or some other team gets: Fontecchio, 2nd round picks



Celtics clear enough salary below the 2nd apron even accounting for having to backfill the 14th roster spot. Presumably it'd go to one of Horford or Kornet, and they likely waive Davidson to re-sign the other. They reset their 2nd apron penalties and set themselves up to do a mini little rebuild around Tatum after Holiday/Durant run their course (maybe White stays, but he'll be older at that point too).

The Suns can do the trade because Brown makes less than Durant. I guess it gets someone to "reset" the timeline to a degree.

Pistons get Porzingis as a rental for nothing of real value to them. Another stretch 5 who can post up too does a lot for that roster. I think they have cap space.

Fontecchio on an expiring deal for like $8M is palatable enough money to dump with 2nd(s). Not sure who pays.

[jbk1234]

If BOS drafts at #28 and #32 and signs those guys, I have them at $24.1M over the 2nd apron next year with 14 players signed:

White / Pritchard / Davidson***
Holiday / Scheierman
Brown / Hauser / Walsh***
Tatum
Porzingis / Queta / Tillman

+ #28 and #32 picks
*** non-guaranteed

The salary piece of the trade would have to be something like:

BOS gives: Brown, Porzingis OR Holiday
BOS gets: Durant

PHX gives: Durant
PHX gets: Brown

DET gives: Fontecchio
DET gets: Porzingis
[I believe they have cap space for this]

BRK or some other team gives: nothing
BRK or some other team gets: Fontecchio, 2nd round picks



Celtics clear enough salary below the 2nd apron even accounting for having to backfill the 14th roster spot. Presumably it'd go to one of Horford or Kornet, and they likely waive Davidson to re-sign the other. They reset their 2nd apron penalties and set themselves up to do a mini little rebuild around Tatum after Holiday/Durant run their course (maybe White stays, but he'll be older at that point too).

The Suns can do the trade because Brown makes less than Durant. I guess it gets someone to "reset" the timeline to a degree.

Pistons get Porzingis as a rental for nothing of real value to them. Another stretch 5 who can post up too does a lot for that roster. I think they have cap space.

Fontecchio on an expiring deal for like $8M is palatable enough money to dump with 2nd(s). Not sure who pays.

This takes care of the Celtics, but there's really no similar move for the Suns to get under 2nd apron. Grayson Allen into the Nets cap space, but I'm skeptical a team with 2026 free agency ambitions compromises them for Allen. Royce O'Neil isn't going back to Brooklyn without draft assets attached.

[hugepatsfan]

If BOS drafts at #28 and #32 and signs those guys, I have them at $24.1M over the 2nd apron next year with 14 players signed:

White / Pritchard / Davidson***
Holiday / Scheierman
Brown / Hauser / Walsh***
Tatum
Porzingis / Queta / Tillman

+ #28 and #32 picks
*** non-guaranteed

The salary piece of the trade would have to be something like:

BOS gives: Brown, Porzingis OR Holiday
BOS gets: Durant

PHX gives: Durant
PHX gets: Brown

DET gives: Fontecchio
DET gets: Porzingis
[I believe they have cap space for this]

BRK or some other team gives: nothing
BRK or some other team gets: Fontecchio, 2nd round picks



Celtics clear enough salary below the 2nd apron even accounting for having to backfill the 14th roster spot. Presumably it'd go to one of Horford or Kornet, and they likely waive Davidson to re-sign the other. They reset their 2nd apron penalties and set themselves up to do a mini little rebuild around Tatum after Holiday/Durant run their course (maybe White stays, but he'll be older at that point too).

The Suns can do the trade because Brown makes less than Durant. I guess it gets someone to "reset" the timeline to a degree.

Pistons get Porzingis as a rental for nothing of real value to them. Another stretch 5 who can post up too does a lot for that roster. I think they have cap space.

Fontecchio on an expiring deal for like $8M is palatable enough money to dump with 2nd(s). Not sure who pays.

This takes care of the Celtics, but there's really no similar move for the Suns to get under 2nd apron. Grayson Allen into the Nets cap space, but I'm skeptical a team with 2026 free agency ambitions compromises them for Allen. Royce O'Neil isn't going back to Brooklyn without draft assets attached.

Spotrac has the Suns at $219.2M in active roster/dead money for next year, $11.4M over the 2nd apron. Durant for Brown saves like $1M. Waiving Cody Martin saves another $8.6. Dumping Oneale should be doable somewhere to save another $10M. Even if they don't clear Allen they can probably trade him for some savings with a lower salary player.

They have other ways of getting below the 2nd apron if they'd rather allocate the Durant trade to returning a running mate to keep Booker happy there.

Does O'Neil need to go to BRK? I thought teams could use the MLE in trades now and he'd fit for teams that have the full MLE available. I'd think there'd be a market for him there.

[Hook_Em]

It's not legal. The Celtics can't take in more than they send out. Also, both teams want to get out of the second apron. Also, that's 105% of the cap for three guards on the Suns. You can play Brown at SF, but still.

God I hate the 2nd apron. Solves nothing.

[Chinook]

It's not legal. The Celtics can't take in more than they send out. Also, both teams want to get out of the second apron. Also, that's 105% of the cap for three guards on the Suns. You can play Brown at SF, but still.

God I hate the 2nd apron. Solves nothing.

Preventing this exact kind of deal is what it's for. They want teams like current Boston and Phoenix and the previous Warriors to have very few options to retool with their bloated salaries and much more incentive to let some of their talent go. This hypothetical is showing the new CBA is doing its job. Teams just have to to adjust to the new reality.

[Godaddycurse]

It's not legal. The Celtics can't take in more than they send out. Also, both teams want to get out of the second apron. Also, that's 105% of the cap for three guards on the Suns. You can play Brown at SF, but still.

God I hate the 2nd apron. Solves nothing.

Preventing this exact kind of deal is what it's for. They want teams like current Boston and Phoenix and the previous Warriors to have very few options to retool with their bloated salaries and much more incentive to let some of their talent go. This hypothetical is showing the new CBA is doing its job. Teams just have to to adjust to the new reality.

Yea its why i find it silly when fans plan for 8 yrs of contention with a young core instead of consolidating. The apron rules will break up your team sooner than later regardless

[Chinook]

God I hate the 2nd apron. Solves nothing.

Preventing this exact kind of deal is what it's for. They want teams like current Boston and Phoenix and the previous Warriors to have very few options to retool with their bloated salaries and much more incentive to let some of their talent go. This hypothetical is showing the new CBA is doing its job. Teams just have to to adjust to the new reality.

Yea its why i find it silly when fans plan for 8 yrs of contention with a young core instead of consolidating. The apron rules will break up your team sooner than later regardless

Yep. That's why I never liked potential Trae- or Garland-to-SA deals. Having a guy who will still be playing in eight years doesn't matter. They either needed to get a superstar who could open a title window now or allow their young guys to grow. The idea that they should trade a lot for a guy now so he'll be on the team in three years when Wemby's ready to win makes no sense to me.

I wasn't in love with the Fox trade as a result, but at least in that deal they avoided paying too much. But they're in a position now where they aren't a competitive team without a third star but probably can't afford to pay that star beyond the next year to two. They accelerated their salary crunch without altering their timeline, which feels like the worst of both worlds.

[DirtyDez]

It's not legal. The Celtics can't take in more than they send out. Also, both teams want to get out of the second apron. Also, that's 105% of the cap for three guards on the Suns. You can play Brown at SF, but still.

God I hate the 2nd apron. Solves nothing.

Preventing this exact kind of deal is what it's for. They want teams like current Boston and Phoenix and the previous Warriors to have very few options to retool with their bloated salaries and much more incentive to let some of their talent go. This hypothetical is showing the new CBA is doing its job. Teams just have to to adjust to the new reality.

Both Supermax contracts for Boston are homegrown players. They should’nt be punished for that.

[yellowknifer]

I feel like Houston would be better served making a quiet play for Austin Reaves. Hoping for internal development. I think he would fit in there amazingly. They also have enough defensive depth to make a trade that would work for both sides. Maybe include a pick or two depending on value. Don’t blow it all up for a much older KD.

[tmorgan]

God I hate the 2nd apron. Solves nothing.

Preventing this exact kind of deal is what it's for. They want teams like current Boston and Phoenix and the previous Warriors to have very few options to retool with their bloated salaries and much more incentive to let some of their talent go. This hypothetical is showing the new CBA is doing its job. Teams just have to to adjust to the new reality.

Both Supermax contracts for Boston are homegrown players. They should’nt be punished for that.

If you look at it with a fair eye, they aren’t being punished for that. They’re being punished for paying big salaries to Jrue, White, and Porzingis as well. That’s what these rules are supposed to prevent.

Boston shouldn’t feel bad. Watch what’s going to happen to OKC’s current talent in the next three years. It was cool sneaking in guys like Caruso and Hartenstein to make an all-time great defense, but they can’t and won’t keep a lot of these guys for long. Just how it works now. It’s why Presti is in no hurry to cash in his hoard of mostly just decent picks. He’ll need them soon.

[brackdan70]

This is more of a question of value rather than actual package considering both teams have their picks locked up. However considering Boston may look to offload long term salary while to the Suns don’t care about spending I could see a potential match here. Also, is there a way for Boston to get under the 2nd apron before a deal like this.

25-26’ -
KD: $54.7m
JB: $49.2m

Celtics can’t play because they are over the Apron. KD would have to go to a third team and Celtics take back Salary less than JBs.

[Chinook]

God I hate the 2nd apron. Solves nothing.

Preventing this exact kind of deal is what it's for. They want teams like current Boston and Phoenix and the previous Warriors to have very few options to retool with their bloated salaries and much more incentive to let some of their talent go. This hypothetical is showing the new CBA is doing its job. Teams just have to to adjust to the new reality.

Both Supermax contracts for Boston are homegrown players. They should’nt be punished for that.

I don't get that. Teams aren't supposed to hoard talent. It doesn't matter how they got them. If guys want to stay together, they can agree to take less, and in the past they did. But especially with the Heatles it became en vogue for the guys to make max salaries while the team just went into the tax for them and their supporting cast. The NBA basically said that era is over, so now it's take less and stay together or leave and makes as much money as possible.

Do I feel like it's at odds with the DPE? Yes, but the DPE is an awful provision that should never have been implemented. It's done more harm than good, and Boston's financial struggles are just one of the many faces of that harm.

[165bows]

This is more of a question of value rather than actual package considering both teams have their picks locked up. However considering Boston may look to offload long term salary while to the Suns don’t care about spending I could see a potential match here. Also, is there a way for Boston to get under the 2nd apron before a deal like this.

25-26’ -
KD: $54.7m
JB: $49.2m

Boston would be moving Brown to reduce salary and maintain competitiveness and Durant just makes them waaaay older w/o doing that.

So I don’t know there’s any picks that make up the value at this point. Was a big discussion 2-3 years ago but ship has sailed.

Jrue/KP to Phoenix or a third team for Durant seems like the framework Boston could consider.

[jbk1234]

God I hate the 2nd apron. Solves nothing.

Preventing this exact kind of deal is what it's for. They want teams like current Boston and Phoenix and the previous Warriors to have very few options to retool with their bloated salaries and much more incentive to let some of their talent go. This hypothetical is showing the new CBA is doing its job. Teams just have to to adjust to the new reality.

Yea its why i find it silly when fans plan for 8 yrs of contention with a young core instead of consolidating. The apron rules will break up your team sooner than later regardless

There's a big difference between a rookie max at 25% and a vet max at 30-35% of the cap when it comes to the aprons. *Consolidating* isn't always the solution to lowering payroll. It's a player's third contract, especially if he's supermax eligible, you really have to be cautious about.