Enough to Keep Giannis in MIL?

[SoCalJazzFan]

MIL:
Out- Dame and 2031 FRP
In- Beall

PHX:
Out- Beall (would have to want to play with Giannis to waive no trade clause), 2028 FRP (lessor of crazy swap picks)
In- Sexton, Collins

UTA:
Out- Sexton, John Collins (will probably exercise PO)
In- Dame, MIL 2031 FRP, PHX 2028 FRP

Does the hope of a Wizards era Beall convince Giannis to stick around at least one more year and see if the Bucks can be competitive?
Will Beall waive his no trade clause in order to be a meaningful player again, play with Giannis and possibly get another contract?
Jazz want to tank again for 2026 draft, so this works for that, but then they are potentially saddled with an additional $58M of Dame's last year. Can Dame come back from the achilles tear at his age and play in 2026, or is he toast?

[JayMKE]

Bucks aren’t moving 31 first for Beal. Also why wouldn’t Phoenix get cut out?

[SoCalJazzFan]

Bucks aren’t moving 31 first for Beal. Also why wouldn’t Phoenix get cut out?

Bucks move 31 first to keep Giannis. I don't think that the Jazz are willing to take on an additional $58M of salary for a swap.

If the Bucks preferred Sexton and Collins, the Jazz could certainly do that instead. It is a question of which would be more appealing to the Bucks/Giannis.

[jayjaysee]

I don’t think Mil would trade the 2031 first for Beal.. I’d say it’s closer with the Utah guys going to Mil, but Mil should want to put like top 5-6 protection on it (roll over protection).. and that makes me think Utah walks away..

I sort of think Phoenix just takes Dame here though? Phoenix would have to stay under the second apron, but the upside of a year of Dame next to Booker is better than the slightly higher floor Sexton offers? And they keep one of their limited assets for the eventual rebuild or retool..

I’d think Phoenix takes Beal a lot cheaper than Utah does... If KD thinks Dame might be healthy for the playoffs next season, that might be enough to save this expensive experiment?

Also think Phoenix is getting off way too easily thanks to Milwaukee here? That first is really watered down and they’re getting off a year of Beal and getting a player back worth a first (and me eating crow - Collins is useful)

[JayMKE]

Bucks aren’t moving 31 first for Beal. Also why wouldn’t Phoenix get cut out?

Bucks move 31 first to keep Giannis. I don't think that the Jazz are willing to take on an additional $58M of salary for a swap.

If the Bucks preferred Sexton and Collins, the Jazz could certainly do that instead. It is a question of which would be more appealing to the Bucks/Giannis.

I just don’t think it’s wise for the Bucks to keep trading 1st round picks(it would need to be very protected) or that Beal at this point would be a better option than just waiting for Dame to rehab and be ready for the playoffs next year. Sexton and Collins are at least relatively young but with Beal there is no upside & zero interest. Beal is too old, too injury prone, too overpaid, not good enough. Beal isn’t a guy you trade for for his “availability” when he’s been averaging like 50 games a season. Beal is still so bad that he requires compensation to move at his salary, Dame is just a far superior player and his injury doesn’t change that. If Dame is committed to coming back then the time frame on these injuries is probably early ‘26.

[jbk1234]

The only reason the Suns are in this is so the Jazz can extract a second (unprotected) first for a package that doesn't warrant it.

[SoCalJazzFan]

I just don’t think it’s wise for the Bucks to keep trading 1st round picks(it would need to be very protected) or that Beal at this point would be a better option than just waiting for Dame to rehab and be ready for the playoffs next year. Sexton and Collins are at least relatively young but with Beal there is no upside & zero interest. Beal is too old, too injury prone, too overpaid, not good enough. Beal isn’t a guy you trade for for his “availability” when he’s been averaging like 50 games a season. Beal is still so bad that he requires compensation to move at his salary, Dame is just a far superior player and his injury doesn’t change that. If Dame is committed to coming back then the time frame on these injuries is probably early ‘26.

Beal not being available enough games is fair. The thought was that he might revert to the Wizards Beall (All Star/borderline All Star) and would fit well with Giannis and tempt Giannis to stay in MIL. Top 5 players only grow on trees for the Lakers and Spurs, and it could be a while before the Bucks have another top 10 player, if ever, so the Bucks might want to do all they can, including trading their 2031 pick, in order to keep him.

I'm sure that the Jazz would be willing to trade Sexton and John Collins directly to the Bucks, perhaps for light protections on the 31 pick, e.g. top 4 protected. $58M is a lot of salary to take on, and a 35 yr old coming back after one season from an achilles tear is uncharted territory. The Jazz would have to plan on Dame potentially never playing again.

[SoCalJazzFan]

The only reason the Suns are in this is so the Jazz can extract a second (unprotected) first for a package that doesn't warrant it.

The 2028 pick has like 4 swaps and is likely to be a late first rounder. However, it is nearly all that the Suns have to trade. It's better than nothing, but not super valuable. It really comes down to what the Bucks want and what would keep Giannis around.

[giannis and 1]

MIL:
Out- Dame and 2031 FRP
In- Beall

PHX:
Out- Beall (would have to want to play with Giannis to waive no trade clause), 2028 FRP (lessor of crazy swap picks)
In- Sexton, Collins

UTA:
Out- Sexton, John Collins (will probably exercise PO)
In- Dame, MIL 2031 FRP, PHX 2028 FRP

Does the hope of a Wizards era Beall convince Giannis to stick around at least one more year and see if the Bucks can be competitive?
Will Beall waive his no trade clause in order to be a meaningful player again, play with Giannis and possibly get another contract?
Jazz want to tank again for 2026 draft, so this works for that, but then they are potentially saddled with an additional $58M of Dame's last year. Can Dame come back from the achilles tear at his age and play in 2026, or is he toast?

There is not a chance in hell that the Bucks pay one if their few assets to take on Bradley **** Beal

[jredsaz]

MIL:
Out- Dame and 2031 FRP
In- Beall

PHX:
Out- Beall (would have to want to play with Giannis to waive no trade clause), 2028 FRP (lessor of crazy swap picks)
In- Sexton, Collins

UTA:
Out- Sexton, John Collins (will probably exercise PO)
In- Dame, MIL 2031 FRP, PHX 2028 FRP

Does the hope of a Wizards era Beall convince Giannis to stick around at least one more year and see if the Bucks can be competitive?
Will Beall waive his no trade clause in order to be a meaningful player again, play with Giannis and possibly get another contract?
Jazz want to tank again for 2026 draft, so this works for that, but then they are potentially saddled with an additional $58M of Dame's last year. Can Dame come back from the achilles tear at his age and play in 2026, or is he toast?

No. Don’t think so

[Devilanche]

I don’t think Beal is an upgrade over Dame .

[jredsaz]

MIL:
Out- Dame and 2031 FRP
In- Beall

PHX:
Out- Beall (would have to want to play with Giannis to waive no trade clause), 2028 FRP (lessor of crazy swap picks)
In- Sexton, Collins

UTA:
Out- Sexton, John Collins (will probably exercise PO)
In- Dame, MIL 2031 FRP, PHX 2028 FRP

Does the hope of a Wizards era Beall convince Giannis to stick around at least one more year and see if the Bucks can be competitive?
Will Beall waive his no trade clause in order to be a meaningful player again, play with Giannis and possibly get another contract?
Jazz want to tank again for 2026 draft, so this works for that, but then they are potentially saddled with an additional $58M of Dame's last year. Can Dame come back from the achilles tear at his age and play in 2026, or is he toast?

There is not a chance in hell that the Bucks pay one if their few assets to take on Bradley **** Beal

I mean they would also be getting off of Dames contract which at this point is a worse contract. But this doesn’t make much sense overall. Is there a better bad contract or set of bad contracts that make sense to use that first round pick on if they can also move off of Dame?

[jredsaz]

I don’t think Beal is an upgrade over Dame .

I mean he is over a Dame who can’t play basketball.

[babyjax13]

I'd be willing to include the 21st pick to get the 2031 1st unprotected if that tips it (and Phoenix shouldn't be here).

[SoCalJazzFan]

I mean they would also be getting off of Dames contract which at this point is a worse contract. But this doesn’t make much sense overall. Is there a better bad contract or set of bad contracts that make sense to use that first round pick on if they can also move off of Dame?

The Jazz would most likely be willing to part with both Sexton and John Collins (not bad contracts at all, in fact starter level players with expiring contracts).

The Bucks have to get off of Dame's contract in order to keep Giannis around. They have no other viable way of improving their team to make it competitive.

[SoCalJazzFan]

I'd be willing to include the 21st pick to get the 2031 1st unprotected if that tips it (and Phoenix shouldn't be here).

You're probably right, Sexton and Collins might be the better trade directly with the Bucks. If the experiment doesn't work out this next season, their expiring contracts free up a lot of cap space and the Bucks could still trade Giannis.

Is there a team that is able and willing to trade for Dame's contract other than the Jazz?

[babyjax13]

I'd be willing to include the 21st pick to get the 2031 1st unprotected if that tips it (and Phoenix shouldn't be here).

You're probably right, Sexton and Collins might be the better trade directly with the Bucks. If the experiment doesn't work out this next season, their expiring contracts free up a lot of cap space and the Bucks could still trade Giannis.

Is there a team that is able and willing to trade for Dame's contract other than the Jazz?

I think almost any rebuilding team should be.

[gswhoops]

Bucks aren’t moving 31 first for Beal. Also why wouldn’t Phoenix get cut out?

Yeah I have to imagine the Bucks would rather have Sexton/Collins than Beal. Utah should be happy to convert those two into a pick, and there's also the local angle with Dame.

[Myth]

Bucks could use the ‘31 pick to get a better player than Beal by attaching it to somebody besides Dame. If the Bucks want to convince Giannis to stay using the future pick, use it for on an actually positive player.

[Scoot McGroot]

MIL:
Out- Dame and 2031 FRP
In- Beall

PHX:
Out- Beall (would have to want to play with Giannis to waive no trade clause), 2028 FRP (lessor of crazy swap picks)
In- Sexton, Collins

UTA:
Out- Sexton, John Collins (will probably exercise PO)
In- Dame, MIL 2031 FRP, PHX 2028 FRP

Does the hope of a Wizards era Beall convince Giannis to stick around at least one more year and see if the Bucks can be competitive?
Will Beall waive his no trade clause in order to be a meaningful player again, play with Giannis and possibly get another contract?
Jazz want to tank again for 2026 draft, so this works for that, but then they are potentially saddled with an additional $58M of Dame's last year. Can Dame come back from the achilles tear at his age and play in 2026, or is he toast?

There is not a chance in hell that the Bucks pay one if their few assets to take on Bradley **** Beal

I mean they would also be getting off of Dames contract which at this point is a worse contract. But this doesn’t make much sense overall. Is there a better bad contract or set of bad contracts that make sense to use that first round pick on if they can also move off of Dame?

It’s not “moving off Dame” if you’re getting Beal back. They largely have the same contract remaining at 2 years and $110m-ish. Same is injured for this next year, and Beal has the no trade clause. I don’t think swapping them makes let’s either team get “off of” a contract as it’s just swapping for an equally large deal.