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ORL/CEL/NETS Hauser to Orlando
Celtics OUT:
Sam Hauser - 3/35m remaining
Celtics IN:
Gary Harris - 1/7.5m remaining
Boston 2027 2nd
Orlando 2025 2nd (46)
Nets OUT:
Nothing
Nets IN:
Jett Howard - 1/5.5m remaining + 7.4m team option
Boston 2025 2nd (57)
Orlando OUT:
Gary Harris - 1/7.5m remaining
Jett Howard - 1/5.5m remaining + 7.4m team option
Boston 2025 2nd (57)
Boston 2027 2nd
Orlando 2025 2nd (46)
Orlando IN:
Sam Hauser - 3/35m remaining
WHY?
Celtics: Largely a financial move. Sam Hauser is long term money of moderate size and, while in the rotation, is not a key piece. Harris might end up playable in a future playoff run. He is expiring and also a lower salary next season. Two seconds, one of which is immediate and set at #46 is additional compensation for giving up the best player in the trade.
Brooklyn: Taking a punt on a young player who has shown very little, but could possibly become an NBA rotation level player in the future. Only one year is guaranteed at $5.5m. A very late second is taken on as compensation. I am open to the idea of swapping this second and #46 currently going to Boston. This is a very small fraction of their cap space and they do get a minimal (but immediate) asset for it.
Orlando: They sorely need shooting, and also have impending large contracts due for Franz, Suggs and Banchero. Hauser's contract continues in to the long term, but it is palatable long term money. Hauser is deceptively old, so is unlikely to improve in a significant way, however was a rotation player on a champion team doing specifically what Orlando need most.
Additional thoughts: The Howard/Nets stuff is included to get Orlando below the first apron enabling the trade. I am not certain if this is needed, but the Fanspo trade machine killed the deal without it. I don't know if that trade machine is up to date for this off seasons moves. I wonder if Orlando needs to be giving up more here, as nothing I have included is of significant value, though it is still 3 second round picks. I feel as though the savings component for Boston is significant, but possibly other teams can offer that with better supplementary assets or a better expiring player? Is the Denver 1st to Boston and the #46 to Brooklyn while keeping the Boston seconds fairer value?
Sam Hauser - 3/35m remaining
Celtics IN:
Gary Harris - 1/7.5m remaining
Boston 2027 2nd
Orlando 2025 2nd (46)
Nets OUT:
Nothing
Nets IN:
Jett Howard - 1/5.5m remaining + 7.4m team option
Boston 2025 2nd (57)
Orlando OUT:
Gary Harris - 1/7.5m remaining
Jett Howard - 1/5.5m remaining + 7.4m team option
Boston 2025 2nd (57)
Boston 2027 2nd
Orlando 2025 2nd (46)
Orlando IN:
Sam Hauser - 3/35m remaining
WHY?
Celtics: Largely a financial move. Sam Hauser is long term money of moderate size and, while in the rotation, is not a key piece. Harris might end up playable in a future playoff run. He is expiring and also a lower salary next season. Two seconds, one of which is immediate and set at #46 is additional compensation for giving up the best player in the trade.
Brooklyn: Taking a punt on a young player who has shown very little, but could possibly become an NBA rotation level player in the future. Only one year is guaranteed at $5.5m. A very late second is taken on as compensation. I am open to the idea of swapping this second and #46 currently going to Boston. This is a very small fraction of their cap space and they do get a minimal (but immediate) asset for it.
Orlando: They sorely need shooting, and also have impending large contracts due for Franz, Suggs and Banchero. Hauser's contract continues in to the long term, but it is palatable long term money. Hauser is deceptively old, so is unlikely to improve in a significant way, however was a rotation player on a champion team doing specifically what Orlando need most.
Additional thoughts: The Howard/Nets stuff is included to get Orlando below the first apron enabling the trade. I am not certain if this is needed, but the Fanspo trade machine killed the deal without it. I don't know if that trade machine is up to date for this off seasons moves. I wonder if Orlando needs to be giving up more here, as nothing I have included is of significant value, though it is still 3 second round picks. I feel as though the savings component for Boston is significant, but possibly other teams can offer that with better supplementary assets or a better expiring player? Is the Denver 1st to Boston and the #46 to Brooklyn while keeping the Boston seconds fairer value?
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i do not think magic do anything like this till pg is filled...they have jett,da silva and houston hope one steps up for this role much cheaper ..cant add this kind of long term money ..
right now it looks like houston in lead for that role with a bit better defense
right now it looks like houston in lead for that role with a bit better defense
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Not a terrible idea, but this is something the Magic would want to do later in the process if they were interested.
They need to have every possible asset available to them to acquire some other more critical positions before they do something like this.
They need to have every possible asset available to them to acquire some other more critical positions before they do something like this.
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I think the assumptions are generally solid, but for the Celtics the real reason for this is getting out of the tax in 26/27, which they could do with this move. Also that 2.5 million difference in 2025/26 between Hauser and Harris equates to over 12 million I think in repeater tax. So yeah I could see something like this. Other than that though I would value Hauser higher and would hope they could do a little better, either save more money or some better picks.
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love this for the Magic. Yes they need a PG/Creator, but they also need shooting and nothing about this move prevents them from addressing the other need. We don't have to hate the good for the perfect.
I think the Celtics are better off finding a new home for Harris and taking all the money savings if they do this. Just use those picks Orlando is sending them.
I think the Celtics are better off finding a new home for Harris and taking all the money savings if they do this. Just use those picks Orlando is sending them.
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Texas Chuck wrote:love this for the Magic. Yes they need a PG/Creator, but they also need shooting and nothing about this move prevents them from addressing the other need. We don't have to hate the good for the perfect.
I think the Celtics are better off finding a new home for Harris and taking all the money savings if they do this. Just use those picks Orlando is sending them.
I like it for the Magic I just think the PG/Creator move is so important and is the fundamental flaw in the team that it is best to not use our assets on another move until that is addressed and other moves would need to be made with whatever was left after that is dealt with.
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Texas Chuck wrote:love this for the Magic. Yes they need a PG/Creator, but they also need shooting and nothing about this move prevents them from addressing the other need. We don't have to hate the good for the perfect.
I think the Celtics are better off finding a new home for Harris and taking all the money savings if they do this. Just use those picks Orlando is sending them.
I like it too and I also agree that none of ORL's significant assets are being utilized here...a decent GM can have more than one thing on his plate, especially if he works 5 days a year.
I'd add that Harris' $7.5m is a TO, so ORL was likely going to wave goodbye. Harris is still a really good POA defender and an effective, if overly selective, 3pt shooter. I'm sure the defensive ability and toughness was apparent to any Celtic fans watching last week. He's not going to win games for you, but he's also not going to screw up on either end and make any boneheaded plays. He's an ideal 3rd SG that stays ready and accepts defensive assignments with a smile...But money IS getting tight, so I was thinking that ORL might be in position with Gary to decline his option and re-sign him for more like 4m x 2 years + another TO. Point being, a SnT could make the money part different than the OP - if Gary agreed to go play for the champs.
Hauser would certainly help ORL, but his salary IS a bit of a concern at a current position of depth. I'd do it but I'd aggressively look at my roster and see where I could shed salary for the sake of shedding (which, ironically, is what BOS is forced to do here). Maybe the next move (for the PG) would involve extra salary going out with picks to compensate for the added burden of Hauser's salary.
Nets are going to get a lot of calls for $$ help this summer.
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jjohns828 wrote:Texas Chuck wrote:love this for the Magic. Yes they need a PG/Creator, but they also need shooting and nothing about this move prevents them from addressing the other need. We don't have to hate the good for the perfect.
I think the Celtics are better off finding a new home for Harris and taking all the money savings if they do this. Just use those picks Orlando is sending them.
I like it for the Magic I just think the PG/Creator move is so important and is the fundamental flaw in the team that it is best to not use our assets on another move until that is addressed and other moves would need to be made with whatever was left after that is dealt with.
yea its the money used also as harris is team option and do not see him on magic next season on that contract
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This could actually work due to the fact Juwan Howard is on the Nets coaching staff. If something like that was offered, I’m sure Marks would consider it.
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Hauser has 4yrs left after this, his extension doesn’t kick until next year.
If Boston was going to move Sam for financial reasons, he’d fit into the MLE of a lot of teams, so BOS could take back no money. #46 this yr and Boston’s own 27 second is not enough draft capital that Boston would want to take back Harris. He’s not horrible but Boston could get this level of draft assets back and not take on any money, imo
If Boston was going to move Sam for financial reasons, he’d fit into the MLE of a lot of teams, so BOS could take back no money. #46 this yr and Boston’s own 27 second is not enough draft capital that Boston would want to take back Harris. He’s not horrible but Boston could get this level of draft assets back and not take on any money, imo
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redslastlaugh wrote:Hauser has 4yrs left after this, his extension doesn’t kick until next year.
If Boston was going to move Sam for financial reasons, he’d fit into the MLE of a lot of teams, so BOS could take back no money. #46 this yr and Boston’s own 27 second is not enough draft capital that Boston would want to take back Harris. He’s not horrible but Boston could get this level of draft assets back and not take on any money, imo
Agree on the above.
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Paradise wrote:This could actually work due to the fact Juwan Howard is on the Nets coaching staff. If something like that was offered, I’m sure Marks would consider it.
With that in mind, regardless of this deal, maybe ORL should just gift Jett to BRK or even add srps and another guaranteed salary (to cut payroll for future flexibility). Maybe if it's something of value, like Goga - who is only 9m and is a more than solid backup to Claxton (and maybe more if they move Claxton out for more prospects and/or draft equity). Maybe BRK sends back one of their 4 frps (a late one) or does some kind of middle of the draft swap....
ORL sends: Jett Howard, Goga Bitadze, #25
BRK sends: #26 & #27
ORL certainly doesn't need 3 frps, but it makes for more trade chips for draft night moves to inject some serious playmaking & scoring into the offense. ORL could still do the Gary/Hauser stuff in OP, but maybe expand the interchange with BRK.
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Skybox wrote:Paradise wrote:This could actually work due to the fact Juwan Howard is on the Nets coaching staff. If something like that was offered, I’m sure Marks would consider it.
With that in mind, regardless of this deal, maybe ORL should just gift Jett to BRK or even add srps and another guaranteed salary (to cut payroll for future flexibility). Maybe if it's something of value, like Goga - who is only 9m and is a more than solid backup to Claxton (and maybe more if they move Claxton out for more prospects and/or draft equity). Maybe BRK sends back one of their 4 frps (a late one) or does some kind of middle of the draft swap....
ORL sends: Jett Howard, Goga Bitadze, #25
BRK sends: #26 & #27
ORL certainly doesn't need 3 frps, but it makes for more trade chips for draft night moves to inject some serious playmaking & scoring into the offense. ORL could still do the Gary/Hauser stuff in OP, but maybe expand the interchange with BRK.
Why are the nets giving up anything of value to use their cap space. They would charge to absorb Howard and would just resign Sharpe or another center than pay for Goga. Makes zero sense to me for Nets to pay 27 here.
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psman2 wrote:Skybox wrote:Paradise wrote:This could actually work due to the fact Juwan Howard is on the Nets coaching staff. If something like that was offered, I’m sure Marks would consider it.
With that in mind, regardless of this deal, maybe ORL should just gift Jett to BRK or even add srps and another guaranteed salary (to cut payroll for future flexibility). Maybe if it's something of value, like Goga - who is only 9m and is a more than solid backup to Claxton (and maybe more if they move Claxton out for more prospects and/or draft equity). Maybe BRK sends back one of their 4 frps (a late one) or does some kind of middle of the draft swap....
ORL sends: Jett Howard, Goga Bitadze, #25
BRK sends: #26 & #27
ORL certainly doesn't need 3 frps, but it makes for more trade chips for draft night moves to inject some serious playmaking & scoring into the offense. ORL could still do the Gary/Hauser stuff in OP, but maybe expand the interchange with BRK.
Why are the nets giving up anything of value to use their cap space. They would charge to absorb Howard and would just resign Sharpe or another center than pay for Goga. Makes zero sense to me for Nets to pay 27 here.
You're right...I do think Jett and Goga do have value to BRK, but...
BRK sends #19 for Jett Howard, Goga Bitadze, ORL 26 frp (Lottery protected)
Why: Jett's father coaches in BRK, Goga allows BRK to shop Claxton for bigger game, BRK has 4 frps this year (too many), future first in stronger draft
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165bows wrote:redslastlaugh wrote:Hauser has 4yrs left after this, his extension doesn’t kick until next year.
If Boston was going to move Sam for financial reasons, he’d fit into the MLE of a lot of teams, so BOS could take back no money. #46 this yr and Boston’s own 27 second is not enough draft capital that Boston would want to take back Harris. He’s not horrible but Boston could get this level of draft assets back and not take on any money, imo
Agree on the above.
Yes very good points I haven’t though of.
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brackdan70 wrote:165bows wrote:redslastlaugh wrote:Hauser has 4yrs left after this, his extension doesn’t kick until next year.
If Boston was going to move Sam for financial reasons, he’d fit into the MLE of a lot of teams, so BOS could take back no money. #46 this yr and Boston’s own 27 second is not enough draft capital that Boston would want to take back Harris. He’s not horrible but Boston could get this level of draft assets back and not take on any money, imo
Agree on the above.
Yes very good points I haven’t though of.
If they are forced to make moves due to $ and it sounds like they will, there might be some interesting three team trades this way as well. Ie something built around KP/Hauser to Orlando, Orlando assets and mediocre/unwanted contracts to a third party, and that creates a space for a $10-15M guy to come back to Boston.
I kind of like that overall framework though the Suggs/Hauser/Franz/Banchero/KP group is a pretty nasty group to deal with.
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I like it. I rather Hauser than Cameron Johnson for the role they’ll be asked to play.
Agree with Knight that Orlando needs their expiring contracts to fill bigger holes, but a bench shooting combo forward is definitely a top-3 need imo.
Agree with Knight that Orlando needs their expiring contracts to fill bigger holes, but a bench shooting combo forward is definitely a top-3 need imo.
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The Celtics have a huge tax bill next year, but their bigger issue is finding a path forward to resetting the repeater rate luxury tax. Hauser in the rotation is a pretty big asset towards that because his contract is strong value. I don't see them making a move with Hauser to cut costs. If they make a financially motivated deal, I think they rip the bandaid off and do it with Jrue. Because while something like this lessens the blow of next year's tax, still have the big picture issue of solving the repeater rate status which really can only be solved by moving Jrue. I think when they decide it's time to straighten out the books, they'll do it once vs. bleeding out slowly like this dealing pieces off one by one to lessen the current year costs but still not solve repeater issue.
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