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Full disclosure I'm a Celtics fan.

Giannis and/or Durant could obviously throw a wrench into all of this.

The goals-

Boston-shed salary and remain a contender.

Houston-Take another step.

Orlando-add scoring punch to their backcourt.

Brooklyn-take on salary for assets.

The basic framework-

Boston gives J. Brown and J. Holiday

Boston gets J. Smith Jr. and C. Johnson

Boston leverages the best player in the deal to say goodbye to their salary woes. They would shed around 50 mil which I believe would allow them to resign Kornet and Horford to minimum deals. Perhaps they could still take another small contract in the deal? Yes Smith Jr. is coming up on a new contract but KP will be expiring and they could really use a young frontcourt player.

KP/Kornet
J. Smith/Horford
JT/Hauser
C. Johnson/Sheierman
White/Pritchard

Houston gives J. Smith Jr., VanVleet, and J. Green

Houston receives J. Brown and J. Holiday

Ime loves Brown and I'm sure he loves Holiday. Depending on the structure, they could give or take more salary.

Sengun
Brooks
Thompson
Brown
Holiday

Orlando gives filler, (KCP, Anthony, Issac, Harris, etc.)

Orlando gets J. Green

Fits the timeline and I believe could be a good fit.

Carter Jr
Banchero
Wagner
Green
Suggs

Brooklyn gives C. Johnson

Brooklyn gets contacts and picks

Embrace the tank and adds assets.

VanVleet is a little over 40 mil expiring if Houston picks up his option. Maybe he could be signed and traded instead? Perhaps Orlando would rather have VanVleet and Brooklyn get Green?

Is there anything here? If so, what is needed?

You have the Nets getting picks, but aren't saying who is giving them. And that definitely matters in trying to evaluate the deal. Can you specify which picks?

I think it could work on paper.
Houston becomes hard caped at the first apron for taking back more Salary, can they stay under with this move and filling out the roster? Boston hard capped at the second Apron for aggregation but I think that’s not a problem after the trade.
I think you need to specify which Orlando players ( some of those guys have decent value) and the assets involved. Even though they save a bunch of money Boston will want picks, and need to specify the assets going to Brooklyn.
I think if you could simplify and remove Brown from the equation it gets more realistic.

Texas Chuck wrote:You have the Nets getting picks, but aren't saying who is giving them. And that definitely matters in trying to evaluate the deal. Can you specify which picks?

That's the part I really need help with

brackdan70 wrote:I think it could work on paper.
Houston becomes hard caped at the first apron for taking back more Salary, can they stay under with this move and filling out the roster? Boston hard capped at the second Apron for aggregation but I think that’s not a problem after the trade.
I think you need to specify which Orlando players ( some of those guys have decent value) and the assets involved. Even though they save a bunch of money Boston will want picks, and need to specify the assets going to Brooklyn.
I think if you could simplify and remove Brown from the equation it gets more realistic.

I think having Brown in the deal is what allows Boston to get value back and it also solves a lot of their issues long-term.

I think the Magic would prefer VanVleet to Green though I don't love either. Suggs would really be better suited to play off ball at SG and the Magic need playmaking almost as much as the need scoring if not more so bringing in a starting PG would be better for the overall offense.

Cricket23 wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:I think it could work on paper.
Houston becomes hard caped at the first apron for taking back more Salary, can they stay under with this move and filling out the roster? Boston hard capped at the second Apron for aggregation but I think that’s not a problem after the trade.
I think you need to specify which Orlando players ( some of those guys have decent value) and the assets involved. Even though they save a bunch of money Boston will want picks, and need to specify the assets going to Brooklyn.
I think if you could simplify and remove Brown from the equation it gets more realistic.

I think having Brown in the deal is what allows Boston to get value back and it also solves a lot of their issues long-term.

Yeah I hear you for getting quality players back.
For long term by trading Holiday for salary less than 20 million per year they can get under the tax in 2026-27 and reset the repeater. This of course involves letting Horford retire ( or signing him at a minimum deal) and not signing KP after his contract expires .They don’t need to go nuclear.

brackdan70 wrote:

Cricket23 wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:I think it could work on paper.
Houston becomes hard caped at the first apron for taking back more Salary, can they stay under with this move and filling out the roster? Boston hard capped at the second Apron for aggregation but I think that’s not a problem after the trade.
I think you need to specify which Orlando players ( some of those guys have decent value) and the assets involved. Even though they save a bunch of money Boston will want picks, and need to specify the assets going to Brooklyn.
I think if you could simplify and remove Brown from the equation it gets more realistic.

I think having Brown in the deal is what allows Boston to get value back and it also solves a lot of their issues long-term.

Yeah I hear you for getting quality players back.
For long term by trading Holiday for salary less than 20 million per year they can get under the tax in 2026-27 and reset the repeater. This of course involves letting Horford retire ( or signing him at a minimum deal) and not signing KP after his contract expires .They don’t need to go nuclear.

My concern with this is who are Boston's bigs moving forward.

Cricket23 wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:You have the Nets getting picks, but aren't saying who is giving them. And that definitely matters in trying to evaluate the deal. Can you specify which picks?

That's the part I really need help with

Need to know what Orlando Players. If a guy like Anthony…that has some value, then maybe BRK only needs a couple 2nds. If just Salary dump of that magnitude they probably need a first. Maybe the first comes from Boston and they get a better first coming from Houston. If Brown is involved I think Boston needs additional firsts as well.

jjohns828 wrote:I think the Magic would prefer VanVleet to Green though I don't love either. Suggs would really be better suited to play off ball at SG and the Magic need playmaking almost as much as the need scoring if not more so bringing in a starting PG would be better for the overall offense.

I can see that as an absolute possibility

brackdan70 wrote:

Cricket23 wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:You have the Nets getting picks, but aren't saying who is giving them. And that definitely matters in trying to evaluate the deal. Can you specify which picks?

That's the part I really need help with

Need to know what Orlando Players. If a guy like Anthony…that has some value, then maybe BRK only needs a couple 2nds. If just Salary dump of that magnitude they probably need a first. Maybe the first comes from Boston and they get a better first coming from Houston. If Brown is involved I think Boston needs additional firsts as well.

With my idea Boston is saving about 50 million next year. Most of that money ends up in Brooklyn's cap space one way or another. Brooklyn is also moving Cam Johnson who has value. The players Brooklyn receive won't have bad value, but it'll probably be neutral to slightly positive. In total, they probably would need 3 to 5 picks depending.

Cricket23 wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:

Cricket23 wrote:
I think having Brown in the deal is what allows Boston to get value back and it also solves a lot of their issues long-term.

Yeah I hear you for getting quality players back.
For long term by trading Holiday for salary less than 20 million per year they can get under the tax in 2026-27 and reset the repeater. This of course involves letting Horford retire ( or signing him at a minimum deal) and not signing KP after his contract expires .They don’t need to go nuclear.

My concern with this is who are Boston's bigs moving forward.

Yes a legit concern for sure. Queta and 25 or 26 draft picks are all you got and maybe that’s not enough. I see the logic of including Brown so you get a quality big back…but you also lose Brown which I think really hurts the Cs. You still have KP for 25/26 though.
I’d like to exhaust Holiday and pick/s for a decent big first.
I’d like to exhausting Holiday and picks

Cricket23 wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:

Cricket23 wrote:
That's the part I really need help with

Need to know what Orlando Players. If a guy like Anthony…that has some value, then maybe BRK only needs a couple 2nds. If just Salary dump of that magnitude they probably need a first. Maybe the first comes from Boston and they get a better first coming from Houston. If Brown is involved I think Boston needs additional firsts as well.

With my idea Boston is saving about 50 million next year. Most of that money ends up in Brooklyn's cap space one way or another. Brooklyn is also moving Cam Johnson who has value. The players Brooklyn receive won't have bad value, but it'll probably be neutral to slightly positive. In total, they probably would need 3 to 5 picks depending.

So in this deal I see it as Houston and Orlando gaining value, Boston saving money and BRK losing value and taking on money.
Is Bostons salary savings equal to Browns value? I don’t think so.
What additional assets could/ would Houston give?
What would Orlando give?
What does BRK need?
Just to start the ball rolling Rockets send 9 ( the PHX pick to Boston) Orlando send 16 to Houston. Boston sends 28, 32 and 2026 1st to Nets.

brackdan70 wrote:

Cricket23 wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:Need to know what Orlando Players. If a guy like Anthony…that has some value, then maybe BRK only needs a couple 2nds. If just Salary dump of that magnitude they probably need a first. Maybe the first comes from Boston and they get a better first coming from Houston. If Brown is involved I think Boston needs additional firsts as well.

With my idea Boston is saving about 50 million next year. Most of that money ends up in Brooklyn's cap space one way or another. Brooklyn is also moving Cam Johnson who has value. The players Brooklyn receive won't have bad value, but it'll probably be neutral to slightly positive. In total, they probably would need 3 to 5 picks depending.

So in this deal I see it as Houston and Orlando gaining value, Boston saving money and BRK losing value and taking on money.
Is Bostons salary savings equal to Browns value? I don’t think so.
What additional assets could/ would Houston give?
What would Orlando give?
What does BRK need?
Just to start the ball rolling Rockets send 9 ( the PHX pick to Boston) Orlando send 16 to Houston. Boston sends 28, 32 and 2026 1st to Nets.

I think first what matters is who takes VanVleet, who takes Green, is VanVleet an expiring or S & T, and how are those players valued.

Cricket23 wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:

Cricket23 wrote:
With my idea Boston is saving about 50 million next year. Most of that money ends up in Brooklyn's cap space one way or another. Brooklyn is also moving Cam Johnson who has value. The players Brooklyn receive won't have bad value, but it'll probably be neutral to slightly positive. In total, they probably would need 3 to 5 picks depending.

So in this deal I see it as Houston and Orlando gaining value, Boston saving money and BRK losing value and taking on money.
Is Bostons salary savings equal to Browns value? I don’t think so.
What additional assets could/ would Houston give?
What would Orlando give?
What does BRK need?
Just to start the ball rolling Rockets send 9 ( the PHX pick to Boston) Orlando send 16 to Houston. Boston sends 28, 32 and 2026 1st to Nets.

I think first what matters is who takes VanVleet, who takes Green, is VanVleet an expiring or S & T, and how are those players valued.

I assumed Green to Orlando as you stated on the OP.

brackdan70 wrote:

Cricket23 wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:So in this deal I see it as Houston and Orlando gaining value, Boston saving money and BRK losing value and taking on money.
Is Bostons salary savings equal to Browns value? I don’t think so.
What additional assets could/ would Houston give?
What would Orlando give?
What does BRK need?
Just to start the ball rolling Rockets send 9 ( the PHX pick to Boston) Orlando send 16 to Houston. Boston sends 28, 32 and 2026 1st to Nets.

I think first what matters is who takes VanVleet, who takes Green, is VanVleet an expiring or S & T, and how are those players valued.

I assumed Green to Orlando as you stated on the OP.

But it may make more sense swapping those players, I don't know?

not sure why orlando wants green contract? and need is pg

Cricket23 wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:

Cricket23 wrote:
I think first what matters is who takes VanVleet, who takes Green, is VanVleet an expiring or S & T, and how are those players valued.

I assumed Green to Orlando as you stated on the OP.

But it may make more sense swapping those players, I don't know?

Maybe. It’s your trade.

brackdan70 wrote:I think it could work on paper.
Houston becomes hard caped at the first apron for taking back more Salary, can they stay under with this move and filling out the roster? Boston hard capped at the second Apron for aggregation but I think that’s not a problem after the trade.
I think you need to specify which Orlando players ( some of those guys have decent value) and the assets involved. Even though they save a bunch of money Boston will want picks, and need to specify the assets going to Brooklyn.
I think if you could simplify and remove Brown from the equation it gets more realistic.

Something around Porzingis for Mo Wagner could solve a handful of issues for both teams. Boston sheds salary but maintains front court depth while Orlando gets some much needed offense and shooting.

Boston might need to move a little more money if they need to get under the second apron.

165bows wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:I think it could work on paper.
Houston becomes hard caped at the first apron for taking back more Salary, can they stay under with this move and filling out the roster? Boston hard capped at the second Apron for aggregation but I think that’s not a problem after the trade.
I think you need to specify which Orlando players ( some of those guys have decent value) and the assets involved. Even though they save a bunch of money Boston will want picks, and need to specify the assets going to Brooklyn.
I think if you could simplify and remove Brown from the equation it gets more realistic.

Something around Porzingis for Mo Wagner could solve a handful of issues for both teams. Boston sheds salary but maintains front court depth while Orlando gets some much needed offense and shooting.

Boston might need to move a little more money if they need to get under the second apron.

It doesn’t quite solve the tax reset though. But I like it.