Warriors/Magic/Bulls/Nets after Draft

[Astaluego]

WARRIORS
In: Goga/Cam Johnson
Out:TJD/Moody/Kuminga (ST)/FRP 26(unp)

Green/Goga
Johnson/Post
Butler /Santos
Hield/*Payton
Curry/Podz

They go all out, covering up their most obvious shortcomings... rim protection + a starting-caliber wing

MAGIC
In:TJD/Moody
Out:Goga/Jett Howard

get a better 3D player, while maintaining depth in the center

BULLS
In: Kuminga (ST)
Out:P.Williams/FRP Blazers

They're betting on JK's greatest potential, getting rid of a guy who hasn't worked out for them and needs a fresh start.


NETS
In:P.Williams/Blazers FRP/Warriors FRP
Out:Cam Johnson

They accept a dubious contract to get the most out of CJ (2 FRP), PWill is the youngest player and his salary won't bother them (for now) but he still has a lot of potential, especially alongside an excellent coach, who could get the best out of him.

[giberish]

Don't see any reason for Chicago to be here. Surely the Nets would prefer Kunminga to Pat Williams (expecting the Kunminga's next contract looks similar to Williams remaining deal).

[Astaluego]

Don't see any reason for Chicago to be here. Surely the Nets would prefer Kunminga to Pat Williams (expecting the Kunminga's next contract looks similar to Williams remaining deal).

I thought you would prefer the extra asset you get here.

[Coxy]

Seems good for the Warriors, although I'm not loving the idea of the 26 pick being involved. Is Cam Johnston that good? Maybe he is. After watching Amen Thompson this last series, made me realise we could really use a type like him on m the Warriors, Cam could fill the role well.

[giberish]

Don't see any reason for Chicago to be here. Surely the Nets would prefer Kunminga to Pat Williams (expecting the Kunminga's next contract looks similar to Williams remaining deal).

I thought you would prefer the extra asset you get here.

I'm not a Nets fan but Chicago appears to be getting Kunminga straight for Pat Williams long, overpaid contract.

I guess you forgot to include the Portland 1st outgoing from the Bulls. I'm still not sure that's enough.

[giberish]

Seems good for the Warriors, although I'm not loving the idea of the 26 pick being involved. Is Cam Johnston that good? Maybe he is. After watching Amen Thompson this last series, made me realise we could really use a type like him on m the Warriors, Cam could fill the role well.

Cam Johnson isn't like Amen Thompson at all. He's a forward who's a good shooter and acceptable defender. Not remotely as athletic. IMO he's been overhyped here as having huge trade value to the point where I'm generally uninterested but this seems to be reasonable.

[Astaluego]

Don't see any reason for Chicago to be here. Surely the Nets would prefer Kunminga to Pat Williams (expecting the Kunminga's next contract looks similar to Williams remaining deal).

I thought you would prefer the extra asset you get here.

I'm not a Nets fan but Chicago appears to be getting Kunminga straight for Pat Williams long, overpaid contract.

I guess you forgot to include the Portland 1st outgoing from the Bulls. I'm still not sure that's enough.

edited, thanks...

[Skybox]

I like it for all teams…ORL would definitely have follow up moves, but this is a solid move.

[JKiddy]

The Nets would not take Patrick Williams in this deal. The player would have to be substantially better for them to trade Cam Johnson. This would be a no go from them.

[gswhoops]

Seems good for the Warriors, although I'm not loving the idea of the 26 pick being involved. Is Cam Johnston that good? Maybe he is. After watching Amen Thompson this last series, made me realise we could really use a type like him on m the Warriors, Cam could fill the role well.

Cam Johnson isn't like Amen Thompson at all. He's a forward who's a good shooter and acceptable defender. Not remotely as athletic. IMO he's been overhyped here as having huge trade value to the point where I'm generally uninterested but this seems to be reasonable.

Yeah I mean as far as role goes Amen is more like the turbocharged version of GP2 (and I mean this as a compliment) than Cam Johnson

[orlando_joe]

i think magic need goga depth more then moody...and long term money is better so...think magic pass

[cpower]

This is a good trade for us...yes giving up 26 FPR is tough but we have to go all out at this point.

[ChettheJet]

The Bulls are trading Patrick Williams when, around here anyway, his value is very low and they're getting back unrealized potential.

Williams hasn't reached the heights his draft position promised. OK but stat fans don't see the defense he plays, you've never seen him guarding the PG bringing the ball up to disrupt the offense more than White, Giddey or others would do. He had a bad year, try looking at his 3 pt shooting average over his career, you've never heard of a guy covering?

I look at Kiminga as not being able to fill a roll on a perennial contender. Not a huge top 4 role, just a 20 minute per game role where there's no doubt that he comes in off the bench and makes a difference. I don't see him having been held back in GS and if he comes to the Bulls he's going to come into his own. He won't be playing with all stars but the Bulls did finish the year with a set rotation and would need him to fit in not take over. I question whether or not he can be that kind of player on a new team.

I'd say leave the Bulls out and stop acting like PORT is destined to get to the #15 pick anytime before 2028.

[Dez]

The Bulls are trading Patrick Williams when, around here anyway, his value is very low and they're getting back unrealized potential.

Williams hasn't reached the heights his draft position promised. OK but stat fans don't see the defense he plays, you've never seen him guarding the PG bringing the ball up to disrupt the offense more than White, Giddey or others would do. He had a bad year, try looking at his 3 pt shooting average over his career, you've never heard of a guy covering?

I look at Kiminga as not being able to fill a roll on a perennial contender. Not a huge top 4 role, just a 20 minute per game role where there's no doubt that he comes in off the bench and makes a difference. I don't see him having been held back in GS and if he comes to the Bulls he's going to come into his own. He won't be playing with all stars but the Bulls did finish the year with a set rotation and would need him to fit in not take over. I question whether or not he can be that kind of player on a new team.

I'd say leave the Bulls out and stop acting like PORT is destined to get to the #15 pick anytime before 2028.

I don't want Kuminga but Williams is ass, his defense is overrated, he can't rebound, he has a slow release on his jumper, can't dribble and can't drive.

He's not worth anything and hasn't improved his entire career.

[drchaos]

I think the Nets would want to cut the Bulls out if they even consider this deal.

Kuminga and a first seems better than Williams and two firsts.

[Skybox]

Yeah...I think the Bulls walk away:

GSW: gets Cam, Goga, Jett Howard (to match Moody's raise)
ORL: gets TJD, Moody
BRK: gets Kuminga on Cam's equivalent deal (who else is paying him?)

is there any realistic conversation for Podz to ORL? Maybe upgrade Goga to WCJ?

[drchaos]

Yeah...I think the Bulls walk away:

GSW: gets Cam, Goga, Jett Howard (to match Moody's raise)
ORL: gets TJD, Moody
BRK: gets Kuminga on Cam's equivalent deal (who else is paying him?)

is there any realistic conversation for Podz to ORL? Maybe upgrade Goga to WCJ?

The Nets are going to want that first rounder if they are doing this.

[Skybox]

Yeah...I think the Bulls walk away:

GSW: gets Cam, Goga, Jett Howard (to match Moody's raise)
ORL: gets TJD, Moody
BRK: gets Kuminga on Cam's equivalent deal (who else is paying him?)

is there any realistic conversation for Podz to ORL? Maybe upgrade Goga to WCJ?

The Nets are going to want that first rounder if they are doing this.

Surely not from ORL...I'd say BRK gets a steal if they end up with a jailbreak Kuminga on a $22m deal. I've always thought that was too much for Cam Johnson. If you're not happy to have Kuminga at that salary - then you just shouldn't want Kuminga at all...which is a legit conversation.

If you don't believe in Kuminga's potential - then there's nothing to talk about, but you're not bringing him in to be a role player (like Cam is on a good team). Kuminga will put up 20+ right away...but then again, so will Cam Thomas, who nobody is fighting for...just a matter of whether either of those guys can flourish in a winning system. Kuminga is an athletic marvel with skills but it's definitely TBD how far he can go on a good team.

[OrlandoDream]

Orlando doesn't need to participate in this trade. Not a lot of upside.

[drchaos]

Yeah...I think the Bulls walk away:

GSW: gets Cam, Goga, Jett Howard (to match Moody's raise)
ORL: gets TJD, Moody
BRK: gets Kuminga on Cam's equivalent deal (who else is paying him?)

is there any realistic conversation for Podz to ORL? Maybe upgrade Goga to WCJ?

The Nets are going to want that first rounder if they are doing this.

Surely not from ORL...I'd say BRK gets a steal if they end up with a jailbreak Kuminga on a $22m deal. I've always thought that was too much for Cam Johnson. If you're not happy to have Kuminga at that salary - then you just shouldn't want Kuminga at all...which is a legit conversation.

If you don't believe in Kuminga's potential - then there's nothing to talk about, but you're not bringing him in to be a role player (like Cam is on a good team). Kuminga will put up 20+ right away...but then again, so will Cam Thomas, who nobody is fighting for...just a matter of whether either of those guys can flourish in a winning system. Kuminga is an athletic marvel with skills but it's definitely TBD how far he can go on a good team.

The first rounder would be coming from Golden State like it did in the original deal except it would go to Brooklyn instead of Chicago.

If the Nets signed Kuminga to a $22 mil RFA offer could the Warriors even afford to match?

Why not keep Cam Johnson and just use a poison pill to get the other player?

The first rounder gives the Warriors something instead of nothing by getting Cam Johnson back.