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Rockets Out:
Jalen Green + Amen Thompson + Cam Whitmore + Reed Sheppherd + 9th pick in the draft+Suns 2027 1st round pick + Suns/Mavericks 2029 1st round pick swap

Rockets in: Giannis, Colin Sexton

Bucks out : Giannis

Bucks in: Amen Thompson + Cam Whitmore + Reed Sheppard + 21th pick in the draft + Suns 2027 1st round pick+Suns/Mavericks 1st round pick swap

Jazz out: Colin Sexton, 21st pick in the draft
Jazz in: Jalen Green, 9th pick in the draft

Why the Rockets do this: They bring in a true Superstar in Giannis, which would would make them a true contender. They bring in Colin Sexton to help with shooting and additional scoring. They also get off of Jalen Green, who was unplayable in the playoffs outside of 1 great game.

Why the Bucks do this: The Bucks accept that they simply have the cap space or assets to improve around Giannis and Giannis request a trade. They turn Giannis into a blue chip prospect with star potential and multiple other young players with potential.They also get a late 1st round pick this year and 2 future 1st round pick that could have a lot of value.

Why the Jazz do this: They turn a expiring Colin Sexton who doesn't fit on their long term plans into another pick inside the top 10, while also getting to see if they help turn around Jalen Green career.

Maybe if you swap Amen for Sengun, but otherwise non starter.

I don't understand Utah's inclusion. Certainly the 9th pick has to have more value to Milwaukee than Sexton?

How is Jalen Green going to both the Bucks and the Jazz?

Hell no. Overpaying for superstars is one of the dumbest things to do. If Giannis requests a trade to Houston, then we'll talk. When that happens, then Houston has all the leverage.

MoreyWins wrote:Hell no. Overpaying for superstars is one of the dumbest things to do. If Giannis requests a trade to Houston, then we'll talk. When that happens, then Houston has all the leverage.

I mean the only way he gets to Houston is if he tells the Bucks he wants Houston. Like that's already baked in. They aren't trading him if he doesn't want to be.

And that's far from an overpay for the 3rd best player in the league in his prime. Those guys are going to cost you.

Texas Chuck wrote:

MoreyWins wrote:Hell no. Overpaying for superstars is one of the dumbest things to do. If Giannis requests a trade to Houston, then we'll talk. When that happens, then Houston has all the leverage.

I mean the only way he gets to Houston is if he tells the Bucks he wants Houston. Like that's already baked in. They aren't trading him if he doesn't want to be.

And that's far from an overpay for the 3rd best player in the league in his prime. Those guys are going to cost you.

That's a massive overpay. Show me the trade where a team with leverage hands over an asset like Amen Thompson. Show me the best player a team with leverage has ever willfully traded for a star. Lonzo Ball? Brandon Ingram? Jarrett Allen? DeMar Derozan?

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34277696/ranking-some-biggest-trades-two-decades-how-inform-kevin-durant-future

Anthony Davis was just traded and the Lakers had more leverage than Houston would here because Dallas was only dealing with them. I mean I barely have to go back 3 months lol.

And my guess is Houston would try and hang on to Amen in an actual trade. My comment was purely on value, and no its not a massive overpay for an MVP level player in his prime.

Like we don't know, I think the players themselves are probably more aware now that if they force a trade to a team but that team gives up everything to get them they probably aren't really that much better off, though Giannis doesn't strike me as one of those guys that's super self aware.

As for the Rockets, if it was a choice (noting that it might not be.) I would probably be less proactive then the crowd seem to be assuming, there's no real urgency to do things right now, and it would be a lot more helpful if one of the kids really clarify that he's a super star level talent before you move, at this point Sengun is the closest but not there yet, Amen might get there but we need to see it.

MoreyWins wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

MoreyWins wrote:Hell no. Overpaying for superstars is one of the dumbest things to do. If Giannis requests a trade to Houston, then we'll talk. When that happens, then Houston has all the leverage.

I mean the only way he gets to Houston is if he tells the Bucks he wants Houston. Like that's already baked in. They aren't trading him if he doesn't want to be.

And that's far from an overpay for the 3rd best player in the league in his prime. Those guys are going to cost you.

That's a massive overpay. Show me the trade where a team with leverage hands over an asset like Amen Thompson. Show me the best player a team with leverage has ever willfully traded for a star. Lonzo Ball? Brandon Ingram? Jarrett Allen? DeMar Derozan?

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34277696/ranking-some-biggest-trades-two-decades-how-inform-kevin-durant-future

Massive overpay? Giannis better be threatening to move back to Greece if he doesn’t play for the Rockets in order to have the leverage to make that package a massive overpay.

MoreyWins wrote:That's a massive overpay. Show me the trade where a team with leverage hands over an asset like Amen Thompson. Show me the best player a team with leverage has ever willfully traded for a star. Lonzo Ball? Brandon Ingram? Jarrett Allen? DeMar Derozan?

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34277696/ranking-some-biggest-trades-two-decades-how-inform-kevin-durant-future

Rockets hold leverage over the Suns, they do not hold leverage over the Bucks. But I do believe the Rockets have plenty of assets to avoid having to move Amen Thompson even in a trade for Giannis.

I also have this as an overpay and history shows clearly that these types of trade backfire and are rarely worth it.
9th pick in the draft+Suns 2027 1st round pick + Suns/Mavericks 2029 1st round pick swap are your regular unprotected 3 1sts with high variation, these are picks from teams that are capped out, old, and with very real downside risk.

Can add a pick and Eason. Take out Amen.

jredsaz wrote:

MoreyWins wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

I mean the only way he gets to Houston is if he tells the Bucks he wants Houston. Like that's already baked in. They aren't trading him if he doesn't want to be.

And that's far from an overpay for the 3rd best player in the league in his prime. Those guys are going to cost you.

That's a massive overpay. Show me the trade where a team with leverage hands over an asset like Amen Thompson. Show me the best player a team with leverage has ever willfully traded for a star. Lonzo Ball? Brandon Ingram? Jarrett Allen? DeMar Derozan?

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34277696/ranking-some-biggest-trades-two-decades-how-inform-kevin-durant-future

Massive overpay? Giannis better be threatening to move back to Greece if he doesn’t play for the Rockets in order to have the leverage to make that package a massive overpay.

Let's make it easy.

Amen Thompson is not going to be traded. He's untouchable. Sengun, almost so, but Rafael Stone might listen. Anyone else for 30 year-old Giannis, including picks, of course, not a problem.

ROXTXIA wrote:

jredsaz wrote:

MoreyWins wrote:That's a massive overpay. Show me the trade where a team with leverage hands over an asset like Amen Thompson. Show me the best player a team with leverage has ever willfully traded for a star. Lonzo Ball? Brandon Ingram? Jarrett Allen? DeMar Derozan?

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34277696/ranking-some-biggest-trades-two-decades-how-inform-kevin-durant-future

Massive overpay? Giannis better be threatening to move back to Greece if he doesn’t play for the Rockets in order to have the leverage to make that package a massive overpay.

Let's make it easy.

Amen Thompson is not going to be traded. He's untouchable. Sengun, almost so, but Rafael Stone might listen. Anyone else for 30 year-old Giannis, including picks, of course, not a problem.

If both Amen Thompson and Sengun are untouchable, then what do the Rockets have to trade for Giannis? Jalen Green played himself out of having any meaningful value outside of being salary ballast for a big trade with how poorly he performed in the playoffs.Reed Sheppard isn't as valuable as he once was. Cam Whitmore is maybe worth a very late 1st round pick. Jabari Smith has value, but he's not a blue chip young player. Same with Tari Eason. The only they would be able to get away with keeping both Amen and Sengun without the risk of getting outbid by another team is if the Suns pick jumps up into the top 3.

ROXTXIA wrote:

jredsaz wrote:

MoreyWins wrote:That's a massive overpay. Show me the trade where a team with leverage hands over an asset like Amen Thompson. Show me the best player a team with leverage has ever willfully traded for a star. Lonzo Ball? Brandon Ingram? Jarrett Allen? DeMar Derozan?

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34277696/ranking-some-biggest-trades-two-decades-how-inform-kevin-durant-future

Massive overpay? Giannis better be threatening to move back to Greece if he doesn’t play for the Rockets in order to have the leverage to make that package a massive overpay.

Let's make it easy.

Amen Thompson is not going to be traded. He's untouchable. Sengun, almost so, but Rafael Stone might listen. Anyone else for 30 year-old Giannis, including picks, of course, not a problem.

Anyone else for Giannis is obviously a non-starter for the Bucks. Hoping he isn't traded at all, but if he is ultimately traded to Houston, it will cost at least one of those two guys.

Also, Jazz are stealing value here, The main thing to sort out here is the bones of a Bucks / Rockets trade for Giannis, the rest is just itsy bitsy details.

machu46 wrote:

ROXTXIA wrote:

jredsaz wrote:
Massive overpay? Giannis better be threatening to move back to Greece if he doesn’t play for the Rockets in order to have the leverage to make that package a massive overpay.

Let's make it easy.

Amen Thompson is not going to be traded. He's untouchable. Sengun, almost so, but Rafael Stone might listen. Anyone else for 30 year-old Giannis, including picks, of course, not a problem.

Anyone else for Giannis is obviously a non-starter for the Bucks. Hoping he isn't traded at all, but if he is ultimately traded to Houston, it will cost at least one of those two guys.

The Bucks aren't really in a position to demand anyone. The Rockets aren't thirsty to make an all-in move, either.

Amen being untouchable in a trade for giannis reminds me of deng being untouchable in a trade for kobe

MoreyWins wrote:

machu46 wrote:

ROXTXIA wrote:
Let's make it easy.

Amen Thompson is not going to be traded. He's untouchable. Sengun, almost so, but Rafael Stone might listen. Anyone else for 30 year-old Giannis, including picks, of course, not a problem.

Anyone else for Giannis is obviously a non-starter for the Bucks. Hoping he isn't traded at all, but if he is ultimately traded to Houston, it will cost at least one of those two guys.

The Bucks aren't really in a position to demand anyone. The Rockets aren't thirsty to make an all-in move, either.

I mean, we really don't know either of those things lol. It's entirely possible that Giannis doesn't want to be traded and all this discussion is a waste of our time. Also entirely possible that the Rockets decide they do want to strongly pursue Giannis and barring Giannis losing a limb, Houston will need to give up one of their top two prospects to get him.

I wouldn't blame them for deciding they'd rather stay the course with their young guys and see what happens, but to think you can keep them and also get Giannis is just unrealistic. The only reason the Rockets are discussed as a potential landing spot for him is because of the fact that they have Amen and Sengun to offer.