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Spurs get:
Giannis Antetokounmpo

Bucks get:
Stephon Castle
Jeremy Sochan
Keldon Johnson
Harrison Barnes
8th Overall Draft Pick
14th Overall Draft Pick
2027 Unprotected Atlanta Hawks First Round Draft Pick
2028 Top 1 Protected Boston Celtics First Round Draft Pick
2029 Unprotected San Antonio Spurs First Round Draft Pick
2031 Unprotected San Antonio Spurs First Round Draft Pick (Earlier of Kings/Spurs 1st)
Right to Swap 2030 First-Round Draft Picks (Spurs own earliest of Mavericks/Timberwolves/Spurs 1st)

The Spurs get Wemby/Giannis/Fox without losing Vassell and some other depth. They would arguably become championship favorites overnight.

The Bucks get the 2024-25 Rookie of the Year, another solid young player, two lotto picks, four other future 1sts, and a swap that could save them (the Bucks would go from the lower of Bucks/Blazers 2030 1st to the earliest of Mavs/Wolves/Spurs). If the Rockets or Thunder balk, I'm not sure which other team could beat this realistically and still have a legit squad around Giannis afterward.

I guess I might be lower on Castle's long-term value than most but I don't really see this as that great of an offer for Giannis. Though I guess enough of those picks aren't the Spurs own (very likely to be very late) that it does have significant value.

If I were running the Bucks and I couldn't get a major young stud (Jalen Williams or similar) at the core piece then I'd be trying to get my own picks back for at least the next 2 seasons (if not more) while still having some playable youth as fan distractions at least. I guess it would depend on how plausible it would be to recover Bucks 1sts in exchange for the picks offered here (too bad they're scattered around the league).

if OKC declines to top this offer with their war chest of picks for whatever reason, then both teams should do this.

Looks like a great offer to me-Milw would be crazy to turn that down

I would HATE this. This would be the really obvious way the Spurs end up losing Wemby with no titles to show for it.

The Spurs don't have Boston's 2028 pick, they have swap rights top 1 protected.

giberish wrote:I guess I might be lower on Castle's long-term value than most but I don't really see this as that great of an offer for Giannis. Though I guess enough of those picks aren't the Spurs own (very likely to be very late) that it does have significant value.

If I were running the Bucks and I couldn't get a major young stud (Jalen Williams or similar) at the core piece then I'd be trying to get my own picks back for at least the next 2 seasons (if not more) while still having some playable youth as fan distractions at least. I guess it would depend on how plausible it would be to recover Bucks 1sts in exchange for the picks offered here (too bad they're scattered around the league).

This is where I'm at too. I know some Bucks fans are very high on him but I just don't personally see him as a centerpiece for Giannis. If the Spurs win the lottery for Flagg, then things get a lot more interesting but until then, I'm not a fan of any Spurs packages for Giannis.

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If Giannis asks for San Antonio, a package like this is fine. And I feel silly to keep repeating this in Giannis and KD threads, but Giannis is going to determine where he goes if he goes. It's not going to be open the bidding to the league. So while in theory we might prefer a different offer if Giannis doesn't want that other team the Bucks aren't trading him there I don't believe.

Texas Chuck wrote:If Giannis asks for San Antonio, a package like this is fine. And I feel silly to keep repeating this in Giannis and KD threads, but Giannis is going to determine where he goes if he goes. It's not going to be open the bidding to the league. So while in theory we might prefer a different offer if Giannis doesn't want that other team the Bucks aren't trading him there I don't believe.

I could see Giannis accepting the Spurs if the Rockets and Thunder don't make better offers. There's not many teams that can give the Bucks value and still have a championship contender around Giannis after.

Bucks aren’t trading Giannis unless he demanded it, San Antonio would need the #1 pick and more to even get the Bucks to pick up the phone.

Def not interested in castle as centerpiece, not close.

Texas Chuck wrote:If Giannis asks for San Antonio, a package like this is fine. And I feel silly to keep repeating this in Giannis and KD threads, but Giannis is going to determine where he goes if he goes. It's not going to be open the bidding to the league. So while in theory we might prefer a different offer if Giannis doesn't want that other team the Bucks aren't trading him there I don't believe.

In a world where Giannis wants the Spurs and only the Spurs, or it's like the Spurs and some big market teams that don't have anything interesting to offer, I can live with this. I think it's a fairly realistic offer. I'm just personally not high enough on Castle to feel good about it (not that any Giannis trade will feel good but you get what I mean lol)

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JayMKE wrote:Bucks aren’t trading Giannis unless he demanded it, San Antonio would need the #1 pick and more to even get the Bucks to pick up the phone.

Def not interested in castle as centerpiece, not close.

In a world where Giannis asks out. Let's say OKC and Houston aren't on the list. What offer would you prefer to this from a team that can still give Giannis a championship contender with the remaining roster?

Bucks who balk at this are insane, only way you top this is with actual players, Rockets might if they are truly all in on Giannis, or OKC if they include Chet/JDubb. And none of the three teams with the potentially best offers (Thunder, Rockets, Spurs) are the kind to go all out like this. Most of the crazy returns happen when you have an infatuated buyer and a reluctant seller, this factor tops even the quality of the player involved.

Also, this proposal tries to sell keeping Vassell out as a positive, when if this trade were to happen Spurs should want to keep other smaller assets (especially picks) over Vassell to turn them (and the salary moving Vassell opens up) into a deeper rotation, which would be critical to their success. Wemby + Giannis + Champagnie + Vassell + Fox won't cut it, and Spurs would be hamstrung, little flexibility to make anything else.

But more importantly, I think this is a bad idea for the Spurs as it pushes their timeline to now when we haven't yet seen Wemby back (and, even then, I don't think he's quite ready yet), and ignores the cost of opportunity of not being able to make other trades because they lost all of their assets and flexibility. This isn't a footnote, as it's already been proven some star will want to throw themselves at the Spurs to play with Wemby for a much lower cost (as if we didn't know that already).

To sum it up, I'd expect (and hope) the Spurs take a more cautious approach, much like they always do, where they are always alert and looking for opportunities, but only pull the trigger if something makes sense all around. You should always listen when a player like Giannis becomes available, but if this is the cost, I'd rather pass.

Chinook wrote:I would HATE this. This would be the really obvious way the Spurs end up losing Wemby with no titles to show for it.

Yup, the timing is critical. You're going all in when Wemby is not ready and you have him locked up for 6+ years, only to be at your weakest when he's reaching the end of his second contracct (riskiest moment to lose a superstar). I know your typical non Spurs fan RealGMer doesn't GAF, but they shouldn't expect Spurs fans to do the same.

wemby wrote:Bucks who balk at this are insane, only way you top this is with actual players, Rockets might if they are truly all in on Giannis, or OKC if they include Chet/JDubb. And none of the three teams with the potentially best offers (Thunder, Rockets, Spurs) are the kind to go all out like this. Most of the crazy returns happen when you have an infatuated buyer and a reluctant seller, this factor tops even the quality of the player involved.

Also, this proposal tries to sell keeping Vassell out as a positive, when if this trade were to happen Spurs should want to keep other smaller assets (especially picks) over Vassell to turn them (and the salary moving Vassell opens up) into a deeper rotation, which would be critical to their success. Wemby + Giannis + Champagnie + Vassell + Fox won't cut it, and Spurs would be hamstrung, little flexibility to make anything else.

But more importantly, I think this is a bad idea for the Spurs as it pushes their timeline to now when we haven't yet seen Wemby back (and, even then, I don't think he's quite ready yet), and ignores the cost of opportunity of not being able to make other trades because they lost all of their assets and flexibility. This isn't a footnote, as it's already been proven some star will want to throw themselves at the Spurs to play with Wemby for a much lower cost (as if we didn't know that already).

To sum it up, I'd expect (and hope) the Spurs take a more cautious approach, much like they always do, where they are always alert and looking for opportunities, but only pull the trigger if something makes sense all around. You should always listen when a player like Giannis becomes available, but if this is the cost, I'd rather pass.

Yeah no, Bucks don’t get anything besides mediocre pieces. Unless San Antonio gets Flagg there isn’t much interest. I dont care what kind of team San Antonio fields after.

Think most lopsided deal in NBA history and then add some more

Cricket23 wrote:The Spurs don't have Boston's 2028 pick, they have swap rights top 1 protected.

That’s even better.

I just think Milw should start over (they are my 2nd team after the Bulls, but enough is enough).
This package is a great start-I know they don't have their own picks, but (IF Giannis is looking to leave), Castle/Sochan and a bunch of picks.

Giannis is awesome, but he's 30 and (rightly) paid a ton. Miami, NY and LA don't have the pieces.

As for those saying it's bad for the Spurs, Fox/Vassell/anyone/Giannis/Wemby is ready to win a title, right away. They should go all in (if Wemby will be ok)

JayMKE wrote:Yeah no, Bucks don’t get anything besides mediocre pieces. Unless San Antonio gets Flagg there isn’t much interest. I dont care what kind of team San Antonio fields after.

Think most lopsided deal in NBA history and then add some more

If the Spurs get Flagg, there's ZERO chance they trade him for Giannis. None. Nada. Zilch. They roll with the current core plus assets, and you just have one less team which will only drive the price down. So I'd be getting that idea out of my head if I were you.

Look, you have Giannis, I get it. You're not going to get an equal player in return, no matter the deal. But Giannis alone gets you nowhere, as the putrid future of the Bucks can attest to. Every franchise that has failed to understand that putting together a long term contender isn't just about that one shiny centerpiece, has become worse as a result. Spurs get it. You better hope the Thunder flame out or the Rockets have a sudden change of mind, otherwise you won't even sniff something like this.

As a spurs fan, I would hate this trade
As great as Giannis is, in the modern CBA this is not the right formula

The spurs are doing really great at putting together a good team with the right assets to be good for a long while (the okc way)

As long as wemby truly develop as we think he could, a good team around is enough.
And Fox is not the last all star to run down his contract while saying he only want to play next to wemby so we could have him for cheap

From a SA perspective, I don't like a move like this so early in Wembys career. You start a timer, you blow a lot of assets, and then when Wemby is in his peak, you have 2nd apron issues, maybe a Giannis who is like 36, and making 70m. I think they need to slow down. Didn't like the fox trade either. They should have looked to draft a good running mate for Wemby who is young and can grow.

For Mil, you haven't solved thier pick debt, which should be the starting point, with New Orleans atleast.

Of the items sent, I try and find what the truly valuable pieces are looking at everything else as ancillary.

It looks like Castle, 2030 Mavs and 2031 Kings are the only assets that "might" have high upside. If you are MIL gm, not sure how you sell that to your owner / fans. There would be years of sending great draft picks to NOP and Portland, which would be devastating to morale.

You would have to use these pieces to try and be competitive for like 3 to 4 years, and that really just means going from a hopeless Phx esque territory to treadmill territory. And then you worry about people asking the question...we traded Giannis for this?