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Charlotte Trades:
Jusuf Nurkic
#4

Brooklyn Trades:
#8
Nic Claxton

Why for Charlotte?
Hornets move back 4 spots to grab a starting caliber center who helps them finally push for the playoffs. (Assuming Mark Williams is heading elsewhere)

Why for Brooklyn?
Nets move up 4 spots to grab a higher potential prospect of their choice.

I don't think the player swap holds enough value to make the jump.
CHO were reported to be in deep conversations with MEM, in 24 draft, givem they were picking a reach, but refuaed to trade down for what they perceived as not enough, so they have a bistory of standing on business.

need to add some future pick(s) too

I have Charlotte still viewing Mark Williams as the center of the future and even if they flipped him I don't have Claxton with this value regardless.

The Nets would also need to include additional assets to make that move up into the top 4. Nic Claxton alone isn't enough.

Godaddycurse wrote:need to add some future pick(s) too

Brooklyn can add #26. Would that move the needle?

I think future picks are off the table.

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:need to add some future pick(s) too

Brooklyn can add #26. Would that move the needle?

I think future picks are off the table.

charlotte have 2 early seconds already so dont think they want more 2025 late picks

Claxton > Nurkic Nets pass

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:need to add some future pick(s) too

Brooklyn can add #26. Would that move the needle?

I think future picks are off the table.

Umm...you have #19.

For reference, here are some trades on both sides of your proposal.

1) Phoenix traded up from #16 to #10 in 2018 and gave up an unprotected 2021 1st.
#10 for #16, Unprotected 1st (3 years)

2) Orlando traded up from #12 to #10 and gave up a 2nd and a Top 11 Protected 1st.
#10 for #12, Top 11 Protected 1st (3 years), 2nd

3) 76ers traded a young all-star for pick #6
#6 for Jrue Holiday (All-Star at age 22, putting up 18/8/4), 2nd

4) Minnesota traded Randy Foye and Mike Miller for #5 (Ricky Rubio)
#5 for Foye (25-year-old 16/4/3 starter) and Miller (28-year-old Low-End Starter)

But, here is the best example, although this is 20 years ago

5) Utah trades #6, #27 and a Future 1st for #3
#3 for #6, #27 and a Future 1st

This is the where you need to be close to.

#4 for #8, #26 and a Future 1st (Top 3 or less protections)
#4 for #8, #19 and a Future 1st (Top 6-8 protections)

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:need to add some future pick(s) too

Brooklyn can add #26. Would that move the needle?

I think future picks are off the table.

Umm...you have #19.

For reference, here are some trades on both sides of your proposal.

1) Phoenix traded up from #16 to #10 in 2018 and gave up an unprotected 2021 1st.
#10 for #16, Unprotected 1st (3 years)

2) Orlando traded up from #12 to #10 and gave up a 2nd and a Top 11 Protected 1st.
#10 for #12, Top 11 Protected 1st (3 years), 2nd

3) 76ers traded a young all-star for pick #6
#6 for Jrue Holiday (All-Star at age 22, putting up 18/8/4), 2nd

4) Minnesota traded Randy Foye and Mike Miller for #5 (Ricky Rubio)
#5 for Foye (25-year-old 16/4/3 starter) and Miller (28-year-old Low-End Starter)

But, here is the best example, although this is 20 years ago

5) Utah trades #6, #27 and a Future 1st for #3
#3 for #6, #27 and a Future 1st

This is the where you need to be close to.

#4 for #8, #26 and a Future 1st (Top 3 or less protections)
#4 for #8, #19 and a Future 1st (Top 6-8 protections)

More recent example is 4 + 35 for 8 + 17 (hunter trade). Bailey/VJ might be seen as a better prospect than Hunter though so i think more value is needed

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:need to add some future pick(s) too

Brooklyn can add #26. Would that move the needle?

I think future picks are off the table.

Umm...you have #19.

For reference, here are some trades on both sides of your proposal.

1) Phoenix traded up from #16 to #10 in 2018 and gave up an unprotected 2021 1st.
#10 for #16, Unprotected 1st (3 years)

2) Orlando traded up from #12 to #10 and gave up a 2nd and a Top 11 Protected 1st.
#10 for #12, Top 11 Protected 1st (3 years), 2nd

3) 76ers traded a young all-star for pick #6
#6 for Jrue Holiday (All-Star at age 22, putting up 18/8/4), 2nd

4) Minnesota traded Randy Foye and Mike Miller for #5 (Ricky Rubio)
#5 for Foye (25-year-old 16/4/3 starter) and Miller (28-year-old Low-End Starter)

But, here is the best example, although this is 20 years ago

5) Utah trades #6, #27 and a Future 1st for #3
#3 for #6, #27 and a Future 1st

This is the where you need to be close to.

#4 for #8, #26 and a Future 1st (Top 3 or less protections)
#4 for #8, #19 and a Future 1st (Top 6-8 protections)

I didn’t include it because I don’t think moving up in this specific draft is worth #19.

I like a lot of guys in the 19 range and am pretty comfortable at 8 to start with.

nah i'm good. I'd trade down for a playmaker though

Yeah I don't think Claxton gets you from 8 to 4 by himself. He's a good player but not a game changer.

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
Brooklyn can add #26. Would that move the needle?

I think future picks are off the table.

Umm...you have #19.

For reference, here are some trades on both sides of your proposal.

1) Phoenix traded up from #16 to #10 in 2018 and gave up an unprotected 2021 1st.
#10 for #16, Unprotected 1st (3 years)

2) Orlando traded up from #12 to #10 and gave up a 2nd and a Top 11 Protected 1st.
#10 for #12, Top 11 Protected 1st (3 years), 2nd

3) 76ers traded a young all-star for pick #6
#6 for Jrue Holiday (All-Star at age 22, putting up 18/8/4), 2nd

4) Minnesota traded Randy Foye and Mike Miller for #5 (Ricky Rubio)
#5 for Foye (25-year-old 16/4/3 starter) and Miller (28-year-old Low-End Starter)

But, here is the best example, although this is 20 years ago

5) Utah trades #6, #27 and a Future 1st for #3
#3 for #6, #27 and a Future 1st

This is the where you need to be close to.

#4 for #8, #26 and a Future 1st (Top 3 or less protections)
#4 for #8, #19 and a Future 1st (Top 6-8 protections)

I didn’t include it because I don’t think moving up in this specific draft is worth #19.

I like a lot of guys in the 19 range and am pretty comfortable at 8 to start with.

I think it's important when analyzing draft pick trades to ignore the prospects since you aren't a professional scout and instead go off of history of the value.

What ends up happening is fans always convince themselves that staying where they are is better than making a trade for a better player/prospect.

ReggiesKnicks wrote:

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
Umm...you have #19.

For reference, here are some trades on both sides of your proposal.

1) Phoenix traded up from #16 to #10 in 2018 and gave up an unprotected 2021 1st.
#10 for #16, Unprotected 1st (3 years)

2) Orlando traded up from #12 to #10 and gave up a 2nd and a Top 11 Protected 1st.
#10 for #12, Top 11 Protected 1st (3 years), 2nd

3) 76ers traded a young all-star for pick #6
#6 for Jrue Holiday (All-Star at age 22, putting up 18/8/4), 2nd

4) Minnesota traded Randy Foye and Mike Miller for #5 (Ricky Rubio)
#5 for Foye (25-year-old 16/4/3 starter) and Miller (28-year-old Low-End Starter)

But, here is the best example, although this is 20 years ago

5) Utah trades #6, #27 and a Future 1st for #3
#3 for #6, #27 and a Future 1st

This is the where you need to be close to.

#4 for #8, #26 and a Future 1st (Top 3 or less protections)
#4 for #8, #19 and a Future 1st (Top 6-8 protections)

I didn’t include it because I don’t think moving up in this specific draft is worth #19.

I like a lot of guys in the 19 range and am pretty comfortable at 8 to start with.

I think it's important when analyzing draft pick trades to ignore the prospects since you aren't a professional scout and instead go off of history of the value.

What ends up happening is fans always convince themselves that staying where they are is better than making a trade for a better player/prospect.

Sure I get that.

According to the Athletic, after #2 the professional scouts you’re talking about are all over the place. The 2-10 range is considered to be pretty flat and an “eye of the beholder” situation, especially after Bailey measured in at 6’7.

This is something I very much agree with and would rather have another swing at 19.

I don't think teams picking top 4 are usually interested in devaluing it to add a decent player like Claxton. Maybe if a team like OKC had the pick and weren't enamored with anyone while having the deadweight filler contract to send back and Claxton filled a need. Would take kind of a perfect storm that doesn't exist here.

I have looked at a lot of the mock drafts over the last few months and they all have had the same top 4. Like a lot of mock drafts..

I don’t think the CLT does the OP if Brooklyn added 19th.

Propose trade to move up.
Don't come close to giving enough.
When told that immediately assert flat draft so I don't really want to move up despite proposing it.

Yep draft season is officially here.

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jayjaysee wrote:I don’t think the CLT does the OP if Brooklyn added 19th.

i think you could get me on board for Clax+8+19 for 4 if we're not big on whichever of VJ/Ace is left over for us, and we can't find a big time player to trade #4 for, but I'm searching for a playmaking guard/wing/forward to swap Claxton for

jayjaysee wrote:I have looked at a lot of the mock drafts over the last few months and they all have had the same top 4. Like a lot of mock drafts..

I don’t think the CLT does the OP if Brooklyn added 19th.

Yes Ace at 3, VJ at 4 because of physical tools. However, both have significant flaws and certainly arent strong 3rd and 4th picks historically.

I’ve seen Johnson, Queen, Maluach, even Fears & Knueppel in the top 4 from credible analysts. I’ve also seen those same guys mocked in the 11-20 area from equally credible analysts. The draft is deep but has below average value in the 3-5 range.

It’s not me saying it, just a report I happen to agree with.