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The Cavs need to change something to move forward. Allen is very good, but they need to diversify their talent, and I suppose he's the most expendable of their stars. What offers could they receive? Bulls/Lakers/Hawks...? Show us your ideas.

Darius Garland is their most expendable star

They BOTH should be traded for the right return.

Allen is a huge positive impact on a cheap contract. I would think there would be a lot of suitors if you put him on the market. His D and rebounding are not easily replaced.
What would the Cavs need looking for I guess. They want a big who can shoot threes…a Unicorn maybe?

brackdan70 wrote:Allen is a huge positive impact on a cheap contract. I would think there would be a lot of suitors if you put him on the market. His D and rebounding are not easily replaced.
What would the Cavs need looking for I guess. They want a big who can shoot threes…a Unicorn maybe?

Honestly...

Jrue Holiday and Kristaps Porxingis

for

Darius Garland and Jarrett Allen


I think makes both teams better.



Boston gets a guard who can break down the defense and get inside, Cleveland gets a bigger guard to defend beside Mitchell (boston has a bigger guard to defend beside Garland in White)

Cavs get the Unicorn, Celtics get a more durable bigman who can protect the paint and gobble rebounds.


I think both teams get better.

Jrue
Mitchell
Hunter
Mobley
Kristaps


Garland
White
Brown
Tatum
Allen

Larry_Russell wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:Allen is a huge positive impact on a cheap contract. I would think there would be a lot of suitors if you put him on the market. His D and rebounding are not easily replaced.
What would the Cavs need looking for I guess. They want a big who can shoot threes…a Unicorn maybe?

Honestly...

Jrue Holiday and Kristaps Porxingis

for

Darius Garland and Jarrett Allen


I think makes both teams better.



Boston gets a guard who can break down the defense and get inside, Cleveland gets a bigger guard to defend beside Mitchell (boston has a bigger guard to defend beside Garland in White)

Cavs get the Unicorn, Celtics get a more durable bigman who can protect the paint and gobble rebounds.


I think both teams get better.

Jrue
Mitchell
Hunter
Mobley
Kristaps


Garland
White
Brown
Tatum
Allen

Cavs probably balk but IDK
Also does work under the CBA as Cavs would be hard capped at the first Apron and they are way over. Celtics hard capped at the 2nd and are still over. It also doesn’t solve the Celtics financial issues as they can’t reset the repeater in 2026/27.

Allen is too cheap and plays at too scarce a position to be realistically replaceable. Unless you feel Mobley can slot right into full time C (I don't think he can) they'll immediately be looking for another guy just like Allen.

Vuc/#12/Port pick?
Probably short, but best Chi can do. I like Allen with Matas/CWhite/Giddey long term
Maybe the Bulls can eat some salary?

So if I am breaking up the core 4, I'm personally trading Garland. I think you can set your team up better going that route. But to play along here, I want Moseley to have a real center. Yes Orlando still needs a creator, but I'd solve that next.

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Cleveland backfills center with a playable guy, adds a young guard they will need and mixes in a rookie for more cheap dept.
Orlando makes their defense truly terrifying with an actual anchor.

Lakers obviously should be all over a Jarrett Allen trade, but I don't think there is a workable trade to be done without bringing in a 3rd team. Austin Reaves seems like the obvious piece going out, but considering his defensive shortcomings and likely free agency next summer I'm not sure he would be someone that the Cavs would be targeting.

Maybe something like Reaves (to a 3rd team into their cap space or an exception), Knecht & Milton (to the Cavs) for Allen with draft comp to the Cavs from Lakers and the 3rd team.

Texas Chuck wrote:So if I am breaking up the core 4, I'm personally trading Garland. I think you can set your team up better going that route. But to play along here, I want Moseley to have a real center. Yes Orlando still needs a creator, but I'd solve that next.

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Cleveland backfills center with a playable guy, adds a young guard they will need and mixes in a rookie for more cheap dept.
Orlando makes their defense truly terrifying with an actual anchor.

Orlando then still has Cole/Gary/Goga/Jett and picks to go get a Simons/Sexton type guard to complete that 8-9 man rotation..

If the goal is to move Mobley to the 5, then Cleveland needs to get back another BIG FORWARD to slot in next to him. I don’t think he has the strength yet to single handedly cover all the strength and big men of other lineups.

And at that point, that kind of player is tough to find and acquire. They might just, value wise, be better off keeping Allen and let Mobley be that BIG FORWARD.

Scoot McGroot wrote:If the goal is to move Mobley to the 5, then Cleveland needs to get back another BIG FORWARD to slot in next to him. I don’t think he has the strength yet to single handedly cover all the strength and big men of other lineups.

And at that point, that kind of player is tough to find and acquire. They might just, value wise, be better off keeping Allen and let Mobley be that BIG FORWARD.

Yeah, if there was a legitimate stretch 5 who could actually stay healthy and was made available, you'd have something to think about. What they've really needed for three seasons now is legitimate backup center who could give us 5 minutes a half in a playoff game. That player hasn't been on the roster.

Hmm...I thought about trading Jarrett Allen. Send Mobley to MIL for Giannis, Allen to a 3rd team and re-route those assets to Milwaukee.

The problem for me is there are a lot of Center-needy teams picking in the late lottery/mid-1st which is where a lot of the center prospects are expected to be drafted. Atlanta, for example, isn't trading #13 and additional assets for Allen when they can draft a potential starting Center at #13.

I think Allen has a lot of value and would be immensely valuable.

jbk1234 wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:If the goal is to move Mobley to the 5, then Cleveland needs to get back another BIG FORWARD to slot in next to him. I don’t think he has the strength yet to single handedly cover all the strength and big men of other lineups.

And at that point, that kind of player is tough to find and acquire. They might just, value wise, be better off keeping Allen and let Mobley be that BIG FORWARD.

Yeah, if there was a legitimate stretch 5 who could actually stay healthy and was made available, you'd have something to think about. What they've really needed for three seasons now is legitimate backup center who could give us 5 minutes a half in a playoff game. That player hasn't been on the roster.

Yeah... I mean, it was easy to look at the "twin towers Pacers" of Myles/Sabonis and to have repeatedly said "They need to trade one of their centers for a real PF". But at the time, that was INSANELY difficult to acquire. Sometimes, you are better off to keep the "two centers" type lineups than to greatly downgrade on court just to mix it up.

And yeah, Mobley being a true PF/C makes a "two centers" lineup much easier to deal with.

ReggiesKnicks wrote:Hmm...I thought about trading Jarrett Allen. Send Mobley to MIL for Giannis, Allen to a 3rd team and re-route those assets to Milwaukee.

The problem for me is there are a lot of Center-needy teams picking in the late lottery/mid-1st which is where a lot of the center prospects are expected to be drafted. Atlanta, for example, isn't trading #13 and additional assets for Allen when they can draft a potential starting Center at #13.

I think Allen has a lot of value and would be immensely valuable.

Giannis/Mitchell is terrifying for the East. I hadn't thought about the Cavs as a Giannis team and they have to shed enough salary to make it legal, but I really like it.

brackdan70 wrote:

Larry_Russell wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:Allen is a huge positive impact on a cheap contract. I would think there would be a lot of suitors if you put him on the market. His D and rebounding are not easily replaced.
What would the Cavs need looking for I guess. They want a big who can shoot threes…a Unicorn maybe?

Honestly...

Jrue Holiday and Kristaps Porxingis

for

Darius Garland and Jarrett Allen


I think makes both teams better.



Boston gets a guard who can break down the defense and get inside, Cleveland gets a bigger guard to defend beside Mitchell (boston has a bigger guard to defend beside Garland in White)

Cavs get the Unicorn, Celtics get a more durable bigman who can protect the paint and gobble rebounds.


I think both teams get better.

Jrue
Mitchell
Hunter
Mobley
Kristaps


Garland
White
Brown
Tatum
Allen

Cavs probably balk but IDK
Also does work under the CBA as Cavs would be hard capped at the first Apron and they are way over. Celtics hard capped at the 2nd and are still over. It also doesn’t solve the Celtics financial issues as they can’t reset the repeater in 2026/27.

That is an awful, awful trade for Cleveland. A 35 year old PG who is well past his prime, and a guy who struggles to stay on the floor for one who just played a full 82 game season?

Texas Chuck wrote:

ReggiesKnicks wrote:Hmm...I thought about trading Jarrett Allen. Send Mobley to MIL for Giannis, Allen to a 3rd team and re-route those assets to Milwaukee.

The problem for me is there are a lot of Center-needy teams picking in the late lottery/mid-1st which is where a lot of the center prospects are expected to be drafted. Atlanta, for example, isn't trading #13 and additional assets for Allen when they can draft a potential starting Center at #13.

I think Allen has a lot of value and would be immensely valuable.

Giannis/Mitchell is terrifying for the East. I hadn't thought about the Cavs as a Giannis team and they have to shed enough salary to make it legal, but I really like it.

Yup, my thoughts. Mitchell is the best offensive player Giannis has played with, or a close 1a/1b with older Dame. Cleveland still retains Garland as well in my proposal.

mcfly1204 wrote:

brackdan70 wrote:

Larry_Russell wrote:

Honestly...

Jrue Holiday and Kristaps Porxingis

for

Darius Garland and Jarrett Allen


I think makes both teams better.



Boston gets a guard who can break down the defense and get inside, Cleveland gets a bigger guard to defend beside Mitchell (boston has a bigger guard to defend beside Garland in White)

Cavs get the Unicorn, Celtics get a more durable bigman who can protect the paint and gobble rebounds.


I think both teams get better.

Jrue
Mitchell
Hunter
Mobley
Kristaps


Garland
White
Brown
Tatum
Allen

Cavs probably balk but IDK
Also does work under the CBA as Cavs would be hard capped at the first Apron and they are way over. Celtics hard capped at the 2nd and are still over. It also doesn’t solve the Celtics financial issues as they can’t reset the repeater in 2026/27.

That is an awful, awful trade for Cleveland. A 35 year old PG who is well past his prime, and a guy who struggles to stay on the floor for one who just played a full 82 games season?

This, more than any other reason, is why I think the core 4 don't get moved this summer. There just aren't going to be offers made that improve the current outlook. Now, or in the future.

It will take a player asking out, or in Mitchell's case, declining to extend next summer.

He looks like an ideal partner for Ja.

Edey, Clarke, Konchar, 1st for Allen?