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It’s fairly clear at this point the Cavs need a larger guard to play next Mitchell. Here are a few trade ideas for Garland what are the best offers for Garland. What would it take to get Dyson Daniels from Atlanta?

Orlando: Suggs, da Silva, 2025 1st, 2027 1st, 2029 1st

Nets: Johnson, Clowney, 2025 Nets pick, 2027 Knicks pick

Pelicans: Murray, Missi, Jones, and New Orleans 2025 pick (plus okoro)

ORL one is too much

They are all too much

Godaddycurse wrote:They are all too much

Nets is fairly close IMO...
I wouldn't do the Pelicans deal if I was the Cavs

Cavs cant aggregate salaries IIRC so I think the Pels deal is off the table. Definitely like the Orlando one the most but don't see that happening on either side.

Nets feels closer, but all three teams are good targets and I generally like the framework. I'd adjust down the offers (some more than others) but I like the overall direction.

wow that is asking a lot from magic ...just my opinion i do not see magic moving suggs at this time at all my hope is to build around the 3 and suggs contract has chance to be outstanding age 26,27,28 his prime 29 mill 26 mill 26 mill with cap going up what will mle 20 mill at that time more?..and do not think garland gets that kind of return

I personally like

Cavs: Garland and Wade
Cavs: Dyson Daniels, Cam Johnson, Noah Clowney, Knicks 2027

Atlanta: Daniels
Atlanta: Wade and Nets pick

Nets: Johnson, Clowney, Nets pick, and Knicks 2027
Nets: Garland

I don't think Garland has this much value. I wouldn't be opposed to the Nets pursuing him, but not at this cost.

Is Garland Steph Curry?

Garland is an inconsistent player whose post-season career resembles Austin Reaves.

Atlanta isn’t giving up Dyson Daniels. I wouldn’t loop Atlanta and him into deals like this.

yeah these are all high, but he is the player to move. His salary is high enough for the Cavs to get back a replacement guard, and either duck aprons or fill another need. And there are definitely teams who would like to have him.

I just don't see teams paying this much for a guy who has put some nice RS numbers at times with the luxury of getting the 2nd best perimeter defender every single night, but hasn't consistently shown up in the biggest games. Heck even back in the Sexton days, Sexton was the guy stepping up at crunch time not Garland.

As other said, this is a bit much for Darius Garland. Atleast 1 player included those other trades players are worth atleast late lottery pick themselves(Jalen Suggs is easily worth a top 10 pick). Ether one of the players needs to replace with a less valuable player or one of the picks get removed.

Texas Chuck wrote:yeah these are all high, but he is the player to move. His salary is high enough for the Cavs to get back a replacement guard, and either duck aprons or fill another need. And there are definitely teams who would like to have him.

I just don't see teams paying this much for a guy who has put some nice RS numbers at times with the luxury of getting the 2nd best perimeter defender every single night, but hasn't consistently shown up in the biggest games. Heck even back in the Sexton days, Sexton was the guy stepping up at crunch time not Garland.

The bolded is just factually inaccurate.

Scoot McGroot wrote:Atlanta isn’t giving up Dyson Daniels. I wouldn’t loop Atlanta and him into deals like this.

Agreed. I've got Daniels at a higher trade value than Garland. I'd give up significantly more for him.

jbk1234 wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:yeah these are all high, but he is the player to move. His salary is high enough for the Cavs to get back a replacement guard, and either duck aprons or fill another need. And there are definitely teams who would like to have him.

I just don't see teams paying this much for a guy who has put some nice RS numbers at times with the luxury of getting the 2nd best perimeter defender every single night, but hasn't consistently shown up in the biggest games. Heck even back in the Sexton days, Sexton was the guy stepping up at crunch time not Garland.

The bolded is just factually inaccurate.

Yes its a small exaggeration and its a switching league and all that. But what is true is teams are more concerned with Mitchell than Garland. And he absolutely benefits from that both with defenders and game plans.

And a new team giving big value for him would be asking him to be the primary perimeter offensive player. Maybe he steps up and does that, but we have enough evidence to at least have doubts.

Even if you personally don't.

SkyHook wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:Atlanta isn’t giving up Dyson Daniels. I wouldn’t loop Atlanta and him into deals like this.

Agreed. I've got Daniels at a higher trade value than Garland. I'd give up significantly more for him.

Oh I think this is too far. Daniels is about to get paid and once he's on a big money contract, his value changes meaningfully. I like him too, but we almost never see big trade packages for players like this.

SkyHook wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:Atlanta isn’t giving up Dyson Daniels. I wouldn’t loop Atlanta and him into deals like this.

Agreed. I've got Daniels at a higher trade value than Garland. I'd give up significantly more for him.

Yeah, I can definitely see that, even if I'm not quite there yet. But, I'm also cautious to not overrate Daniels just because of his insanely high steal rate. He IS a quite good defender, but he's also feasting a ton in the passing lanes. Not to equate the two, but I remember when Jamaal Tinsley was assumed to be a good defender simply because he had a high steal rate, but he also just feasted in the passing lanes. Daniels is yet to be a guy who can "get a bucket" or truly run an offense, though he's shown to be a really solid secondary distributor.

FVV + #10

edit - illegal apparently

LarsV8 wrote:FVV + #10

(caveat, I need to look at the long term financial impact, which is time consuming)

cleveland cant take back more than it sends out