Tatum for Giannis

[zimpy27]

Bucks get Tatum, MIL26swap, BOS27FRP

Pelicans get BOS25FRP

Celtics get Giannis



- Celtics continue their championship window.
- Bucks double down on a tank year in 2026 and look to build around Lillard-Tatum for 26-27 season.
- Pelicans get an FRP for a swap.

[Godaddycurse]

Pels arent doing thaf

[Mavrelous]

I think Tatum is a Celtic for life, they won't trade him for anyone...

[VaDe255]

Too good for the Celtics.
Tatum is out for a year and then there is uncertainty how good he will be.

Besides that Giannis already > healthy Tatum, so this is a big no from the Bucks.

[JayMKE]

Why would the Pelicans do this?

Bucks aren’t trading Giannis to Boston ever, they’re not trading Giannis for a guy not as good who just blew out his Achilles to partner up with another guy with an Achilles injury. Just not gonna happen. Difference is a lot more than getting our pick back.

I’d be more interested in acquiring Jaylen Brown to be a Robin with Giannis in Milwaukee, maybe Boston can take a year off with Dame and a 31frp then come back with a top pick next season

[cl2117]

I think Tatum is a Celtic for life, they won't trade him for anyone...

I'd swap him for Giannis in a heartbeat as much as it would pain me.

[esvl]

I like the swap idea for both franchises

[ReggiesKnicks]

I like the swap idea for both franchises

This is terrible for New Orleans and Milwaukee.

[Mavrelous]

Interesting...
Before Achilis, I had Tatum more valuable than Giannis, I'd do this for the Bucks in a heartbeat

[Texas Chuck]

I like the swap idea for both franchises

This is terrible for New Orleans and Milwaukee.

Once again this obsession with getting picks back leads to the Pelicans getting screwed. Everyone wants that pick in a Giannis deal when its unnecessary but nobody is willing to pay for it.

Giving it up for pick 28 or for Vassel/Sochan(plus they had to give up the swap here) just isn't something they would ever entertain. Even if Giannis sticks around because the Bucks will only trade him if they get the pick back(false premise), they will get a better pick than this.

And yeah I'm not trading the superior Giannis for the injured Tatum. That's just not serious.

[zimpy27]

I like the swap idea for both franchises

This is terrible for New Orleans and Milwaukee.

Once again this obsession with getting picks back leads to the Pelicans getting screwed. Everyone wants that pick in a Giannis deal when its unnecessary but nobody is willing to pay for it.

Giving it up for pick 28 or for Vassel/Sochan(plus they had to give up the swap here) just isn't something they would ever entertain. Even if Giannis sticks around because the Bucks will only trade him if they get the pick back(false premise), they will get a better pick than this.

And yeah I'm not trading the superior Giannis for the injured Tatum. That's just not serious.

It's a pick swap option that the Pels have that they give up in OP.


Bucks don't trade Giannis without getting that swap back.
If Bucks don't trade Gainnis then the picks swap has no value to the Pelicans.

The point for the Pelicans is that you trade the pick swap (which has no value with Giannis as a Buck) for a real asset (like a pick).

[Texas Chuck]

Right but the Giannis decision is based 100% on Giannis wanting out, not the pick. If he doesn't want out they aren't trading him with or without the pick. If he does want out, they are trading him with or without the pick.

You guys keep insisting on that premise, but again only one team ever has traded for their own picks back and they dealt off not one, not two, but three stars without insisting on getting those picks. So even the only team that went for their own picks back didn't do it in a star trade.

Giannis will decide if he gets traded. Not the Pelicans.

[Ron Swanson]

This insistence that the Bucks would value getting back that 2026 pick swap this much is incredibly weird. It's currently only an "asset" in theory based entirely on a hypothetical situation that Milwaukee controls. Why on earth would they neuter the overall return on a Giannis trade like this and not just wait until next offseason if this is the kind of underwhelming package they'd see? And of course, this idea that even a healthy Tatum is equal to Giannis is incredibly flawed. This is just a complete non-starter. Boston doesn't have the assets for a Giannis trade without gutting their team at this point.

[Mavrelous]

Teams can control their record, they can't control other teams record, so if the team is trading their franchise player and look to not be very good, it's highly preferable for them to get this pick back, it's not a must, but it's very nice to have.
Looking to return draft capital is the logical thing to do and for very obvious reasons, acting otherwise isn't helpful.
Pelicans should look to get more than #28, but they also can't expect value of a pick of post trade Giannis-less Bucks.

[Texas Chuck]

Teams can control their record, they can't control other teams record, so if the team is trading their franchise player and look to not be very good, it's highly preferable for them to get this pick back, it's not a must, but it's very nice to have.
Looking to return draft capital is the logical thing to do and for very obvious reasons, acting otherwise isn't helpful.
Pelicans should look to get more than #28, but they also can't expect value of a pick of post trade Giannis-less Bucks.

I've never said it wouldn't be nice. I've said it wouldn't be essential and history tells me I'm correct. Ignoring this reality and making it the core premise in almost every Giannis trade isn't reality and it is in fact very helpful to keep pointing this out.

Because if he gets traded, I feel pretty confident the Bucks aren't going to sacrifice value to get their own picks back and even more confident the Pels aren't going to give them away as cheaply as every attempt to get them back has been to date.

If however the Bucks do get their picks back and the Pels give them away cheaply I will eat as much crow as you want to serve. But I'm not at all worried about it and I trust of course if he gets traded without those picks, people will acknowledge we sure wasted a lot of time and energy on something that was never very likely.

[Ron Swanson]

The Bucks aren't even getting their 2027 pick back in this and they still owe their 2028-2030 picks/swaps to Portland. New Orleans had the 4th worst record in basketball last year, so even if they trade Giannis, there's a legit possibility the Pelicans are still worse than Milwaukee and that swap doesn't even convey anyways. So basically, very real possibility that the Bucks just gift Boston another couple championships just so they can, what? "Build around" a 28-year old and 35-year old both coming off Achilles injuries and like, the 28th pick in the 2027 draft? Yeah, hard pass on that.

[jayjaysee]

Yeah, this is bad for NOP and really bad for Milwaukee.

Boston owes both teams more value imo

Or they can just keep Tatum and have their own one year reset (what they should do)

[Mavrelous]

I trust of course if he gets traded without those picks, people will acknowledge we sure wasted a lot of time and energy on something that was never very likely.

That's irrelevant, there are no gotcha in real trades that don't match what we suggest, I've been here long enough to see everyone getting things very wrong, including both of us, I think the board is going insane with the Giannis valuations, as if we don't have a precednt in KD, but that's besides the point.
Attempting to make trades is maneuvering the talent landscape, with cap and planning in mind to give best value, the 26 swap is an extremely valuable piece if the trade happens, not very valuable if it doesn't happen, which makes it a very nice thought exercise, the whole point of suggesting these trades, lack of precedent also makes it even more interesting, we just saw the Nets overpay to do it, a trade that backfired.

[Texas Chuck]

I trust of course if he gets traded without those picks, people will acknowledge we sure wasted a lot of time and energy on something that was never very likely.

That's irrelevant, there are no gotcha in real trades that don't match what we suggest, I've been here long enough to see everyone getting things very wrong, including both of us, I think the board is going insane with the Giannis valuations, as if we don't have a precednt in KD, but that's besides the point.
Attempting to make trades is maneuvering the talent landscape, with cap and planning in mind to give best value, the 26 swap is an extremely valuable piece if the trade happens, not very valuable if it doesn't happen, which makes it a very nice thought exercise, the whole point of suggesting these trades, lack of precedent also makes it even more interesting, we just saw the Nets overpay to do it, a trade that backfired.

I stop nobody from exploring the idea. Its being explored multiple times every day. But when its made the crux of the deal, I strongly disagree. When the value provided to the Pels isn't compelling, I point that out.

And I disagree with you that the Pels should value those picks as with Giannis a Buck and not with Giannis gone, because no team is targeting those specific picks except as part of a Giannis deal. So the value of those picks has to be treated thusly. Nothing else makes logical sense.

[Mavrelous]

I trust of course if he gets traded without those picks, people will acknowledge we sure wasted a lot of time and energy on something that was never very likely.

That's irrelevant, there are no gotcha in real trades that don't match what we suggest, I've been here long enough to see everyone getting things very wrong, including both of us, I think the board is going insane with the Giannis valuations, as if we don't have a precednt in KD, but that's besides the point.
Attempting to make trades is maneuvering the talent landscape, with cap and planning in mind to give best value, the 26 swap is an extremely valuable piece if the trade happens, not very valuable if it doesn't happen, which makes it a very nice thought exercise, the whole point of suggesting these trades, lack of precedent also makes it even more interesting, we just saw the Nets overpay to do it, a trade that backfired.

I stop nobody from exploring the idea. Its being explored multiple times every day. But when its made the crux of the deal, I strongly disagree. When the value provided to the Pels isn't compelling, I point that out.

And I disagree with you that the Pels should value those picks as with Giannis a Buck and not with Giannis gone, because no team is targeting those specific picks except as part of a Giannis deal. So the value of those picks has to be treated thusly. Nothing else makes logical sense.

I don't think they should be valued as if Giannis is staying, they shouldn't be valued as if Giannis is definitely moving.
If Pels insist on not trading them, this doesn't mean Bucks aren't trading Giannis, it means that they will be targeting players based package instead of pick based package because they don't control their picks.
Another aspect is where do the Pels see themselves next year, because as it stands they aren't a play in team in the west, so their pick is likely going to be top 10 pick.