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Add 2nds as needed. I think Boston is probably owed a few?

Kings out: JV, DeMar
Kings in: Jrue Holiday, PConn

Bucks out: Kuzma, PConn, 2nds?
Bucks in: Demar, JVal

Boston out: Jrue
Boston in: Kuzma, 2nds

Why for Sac? They need a point guard bad. Jrue will massively improve the perimeter defense next to no d LaVine. Next step is to trade Monk for more forward depth.

Why for Bucks? If they don't want to trade Giannis they need to do something. Demar gives them a bucket getter next to Giannis next year, and JV can still play. It costs them almost nothing in a last ditch effort. If Dame can come back towards the end of next year, you can see a pretty solid rotation.

Why for Boston? They shave 10 million instantly. Kuzma has 2 years left decreasing. They could keep him next year while Tatum is out, and then look to flip him as an expiring 20 million deal.

dont think boston have any interest in kuzma. there's better offers on the board for Jrue than this

Why is Boston getting bailed out of Jrue's contract and getting some minor draft assets on top of it? Why is Milwaukee the team paying to take on bad future salary tied up in old players when cap flexibility was arguably the only reason they did the Kuzma trade? Either the Bucks don't have a reason to be in this trade, or they'd just cut out Sacramento completely and just take Jrue back for themselves, since they're providing all the value to Boston here.

Ron Swanson wrote:Why is Boston getting bailed out of Jrue's contract and getting some minor draft assets on top of it? Why is Milwaukee the team paying to take on bad future salary tied up in old players when cap flexibility was arguably the only reason they did the Kuzma trade? Either the Bucks don't have a reason to be in this trade, or they'd just cut out Sacramento completely and just take Jrue back for themselves, since they're providing all the value to Boston here.

The real value for Boston is the cap savings not the 2nds. Milwaukee cannot offer that. Maybe Milwaukee can find a home for PConn using 2nds, but that doesn't seem very likely.

As for Milwaukee, they clearly get better players. And Demar is actually owed less guarenteed money over the next 2 years than Kuzma is. They do take an extra year for JV, but PConn is really dead money for a guy who doesn't get minutes. JV is still a positive value guy who Milwaukee could dump next year pretty easily.

LightTheBeam wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:Why is Boston getting bailed out of Jrue's contract and getting some minor draft assets on top of it? Why is Milwaukee the team paying to take on bad future salary tied up in old players when cap flexibility was arguably the only reason they did the Kuzma trade? Either the Bucks don't have a reason to be in this trade, or they'd just cut out Sacramento completely and just take Jrue back for themselves, since they're providing all the value to Boston here.

The real value for Boston is the cap savings not the 2nds. Milwaukee cannot offer that. Maybe Milwaukee can find a home for PConn using 2nds, but that doesn't seem very likely.

As for Milwaukee, they clearly get better players. And Demar is actually owed less guarenteed money over the next 2 years than Kuzma is. They do take an extra year for JV, but PConn is really dead money for a guy who doesn't get minutes. JV is still a positive value guy who Milwaukee could dump next year pretty easily.

Which is why the reasoning makes no sense. Connaughton is an expiring. Boston gets completely off the next 3-years, $100 million of age 35-38 Jrue Holiday and saves a fortune on tax penalties. And yet you have the Bucks paying them multiple 2nd's just to dump one year, $9 million in salary to a 3rd team? Jonas Valanciunas is very much not a "positive value" guy and I think that's also the big disconnect here. He's a 33-year old, sub-20 minute a night situational plodding big. He's dead salary filler in any trade just like Connaughton is. If anything the much easier argument is that Boston is gonna need to attach their first this year (28th) to dump Holiday, not the opposite.

Ron Swanson wrote:

LightTheBeam wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:Why is Boston getting bailed out of Jrue's contract and getting some minor draft assets on top of it? Why is Milwaukee the team paying to take on bad future salary tied up in old players when cap flexibility was arguably the only reason they did the Kuzma trade? Either the Bucks don't have a reason to be in this trade, or they'd just cut out Sacramento completely and just take Jrue back for themselves, since they're providing all the value to Boston here.

The real value for Boston is the cap savings not the 2nds. Milwaukee cannot offer that. Maybe Milwaukee can find a home for PConn using 2nds, but that doesn't seem very likely.

As for Milwaukee, they clearly get better players. And Demar is actually owed less guarenteed money over the next 2 years than Kuzma is. They do take an extra year for JV, but PConn is really dead money for a guy who doesn't get minutes. JV is still a positive value guy who Milwaukee could dump next year pretty easily.

Which is why the reasoning makes no sense. Connaughton is an expiring. Boston gets completely off the next 3-years, $100 million of age 35-38 Jrue Holiday and saves a fortune on tax penalties. And yet you have the Bucks paying them multiple 2nd's just to dump one year, $9 million in salary to a 3rd team? Jonas Valanciunas is very much not a "positive value" guy and I think that's also the big disconnect here. He's a 33-year old, sub-20 minute a night situational plodding big. He's dead salary filler in any trade just like Connaughton is. If anything the much easier argument is that Boston is gonna need to attach their first this year (28th) to dump Holiday, not the opposite.

Not sure the concern over the Kings eating Holidays deal. What Boston pays to dump Holiday should be irrelevant to Milwaukee.

I also think you don't realize what it costs to dump negative salary these days. There is 1 cap space team in the entire league. Yes it costs 2 2nds minimum to dump a PConn even on an expiring. Especially two bad 2nds, that may not even be enough.

Kuzma was trash in Milwaukee. A straight up negative player. I really thought the argument here was going to be Milwaukee shouldnt be able to upgrade two players this much for #47 and a 2nd 7 years from now lol.

And Jval just went for expirings and 2nds at the deadline. With rumors that 5-6 teams were chasing him at the center spot. Knicks, Warriors, Lakers were some of the teams rumored to check in on JVal at the deadline. I assume those teams wanted to send back more inital salary + 2nds, where the Kings were able to eat most his deal.

Again, you don't have them paying anything to dump Holiday. You have them actually getting paid assets by a 3rd team on top of massive cap relief for the next 3-years. Jrue Holiday is a 35-year old role-player being paid a sub-max contract until 2028. I'm not sure what you're not understanding here. The Bucks have zero reason to be the only team paying assets here while they're the ones eating more salary for 2025 (they're sending out $31 million and getting back $35 million). A more realistic value framework for either trade would be something like:

Kuzma + Pat for Jrue + #28

or

DeRozan and Valanciunas for Jrue + #28 (and find a 3rd team to eat or absorb JV's salary)

If I'm turning Kuz/Pat C into DeRozan/JV I'm not spending any time worrying about 2nd rounders. Now if the question is how well does DeRozan fit next to Giannis? Yeah that's fair, but he's a much better player than Kuz so I'd take the upgrade being given me. Even if I just turn around and flip DD which I think returns something better than Kuzma.

Bucks have zero interest in derozan. Yes plz to valanciunas.

Ron Swanson wrote:Again, you don't have them paying anything to dump Holiday. You have them actually getting paid assets by a 3rd team on top of massive cap relief for the next 3-years. Jrue Holiday is a 35-year old role-player being paid a sub-max contract until 2028. I'm not sure what you're not understanding here. The Bucks have zero reason to be the only team paying assets here while they're the ones eating more salary for 2025 (they're sending out $31 million and getting back $35 million). A more realistic value framework for either trade would be something like:

Kuzma + Pat for Jrue + #28

or

DeRozan and Valanciunas for Jrue + #28 (and find a 3rd team to eat or absorb JV's salary)

Ya its very possible the kings can cut out Milwaukee. The first option does nothing for Boston, they aren't going to take kuzma while eating Pat. The point of the deal is strictly for Boston to cut salary.

The Kings would value holiday. They need defense + a point guard. So he's not a negative to us.

I'll agree to disagree with Milwaukee stance here. Giannis needs some offensive help while they wait for dame. Derozan can still efficiently give you 20, kuzma has never done that. Even if you don't like JV, he's certainly worth more than Pconn. But again we can agree to disagree with Milwaukee part. I think they can be replaced here by several teams.