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UTA/DEN

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 2:26 am
by AingesBurner
Utah out: Collins, Sexton, and #21
Utah in: MPJ, Saric, and unprotected 2031 1st

Denver out: MPJ, Saric, and unprotected 2031 1st
Denver in: Collins, Sexton, and #21

Why for Utah: Tank!!!!!!!!

Why for Denver: Improve depth and dump MPJ

Re: UTA/DEN

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 2:28 am
by SportsInfoBar
Denver then should send 21 and something else for a backup center.

Re: UTA/DEN

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 2:36 am
by dcstanley
Seems like a homerun for Denver, imo.

Re: UTA/DEN

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 2:42 am
by babyjax13
I'd do this. For Denver, I think it depends on their goals. MPJ is individually better than Sexton and Collins, and I don't think Collins is a great fit on the team with Gordon. This might be solvable with a third team (San Antonio? I kind of like Harrison Barnes for Denver? or KCP from Orlando?). Since their team is mainly playing off of the Murray-Jokic duo and with Gordon's jump in shooting percentages, I could see a reason to sacrifice a bit of top-end talent for depth.

Re: UTA/DEN

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 3:08 am
by AingesBurner
dcstanley wrote:Seems like a homerun for Denver, imo.


I think it works for both teams goals.

Re: UTA/DEN

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 3:09 am
by AingesBurner
babyjax13 wrote:I'd do this. For Denver, I think it depends on their goals. MPJ is individually better than Sexton and Collins, and I don't think Collins is a great fit on the team with Gordon. This might be solvable with a third team (San Antonio? I kind of like Harrison Barnes for Denver? or KCP from Orlando?). Since their team is mainly playing off of the Murray-Jokic duo and with Gordon's jump in shooting percentages, I could see a reason to sacrifice a bit of top-end talent for depth.


I’m assuming that Collins is the 6th man. Sexton starts next to Murray. It also alleviates Jokic in MPG.

Re: UTA/DEN

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 3:16 am
by babyjax13
AingesBurner wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:I'd do this. For Denver, I think it depends on their goals. MPJ is individually better than Sexton and Collins, and I don't think Collins is a great fit on the team with Gordon. This might be solvable with a third team (San Antonio? I kind of like Harrison Barnes for Denver? or KCP from Orlando?). Since their team is mainly playing off of the Murray-Jokic duo and with Gordon's jump in shooting percentages, I could see a reason to sacrifice a bit of top-end talent for depth.


I’m assuming that Collins is the 6th man. Sexton starts next to Murray. It also alleviates Jokic in MPG.

Staring Sexton with Murray seems like a bad idea, IMO, their defense would be baaaaaad

Re: UTA/DEN

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 3:19 am
by AingesBurner
babyjax13 wrote:
AingesBurner wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:I'd do this. For Denver, I think it depends on their goals. MPJ is individually better than Sexton and Collins, and I don't think Collins is a great fit on the team with Gordon. This might be solvable with a third team (San Antonio? I kind of like Harrison Barnes for Denver? or KCP from Orlando?). Since their team is mainly playing off of the Murray-Jokic duo and with Gordon's jump in shooting percentages, I could see a reason to sacrifice a bit of top-end talent for depth.


I’m assuming that Collins is the 6th man. Sexton starts next to Murray. It also alleviates Jokic in MPG.

Staring Sexton with Murray seems like a bad idea, IMO, their defense would be baaaaaad


Fair point.

Re: UTA/DEN

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 3:31 am
by Walmart
Bad trade, unless they have something lined to get a starter quality SF.

Re: UTA/DEN

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 3:51 am
by Mavrelous
DEN can't trade their only 1st unprotected for 2 players who can't start for them.

Re: UTA/DEN

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 4:18 am
by babyjax13
Here's my modification that makes it bigger which is almost certainly worse ... but I see some kind of alignment between Denver rebalancing their roster at the cost of MPJ and Utah getting involved to facilitate with some of their expiring money:

DEN trades: Michael Porter Jr.
in: Jrue Holiday
Denver cuts some salary and gets a really nice fit next to Murray. Murray - Holiday - Watson - Gordon - Jokic.

CHI trades: Zach Collins, Ayo Dosunmu, Jevon Carter
in: Michael Porter Jr., 26
Chicago gets an elite shooter who is still young enough to be part of their core moving forward + a late pick.

BOS trades: Jrue Holiday, Sam Hauser, 26, 32
in: John Collins, Ayo Dosunmu
Boston gets off future salary commitments but still returns a player who can provide solid defense and secondary playmaking in the backcourt, and a 4/5 who can give them starter-caliber minutes while Tatum is out (and who might be a good KP replacement if they also lose him due to costs).

UTA trades: John Collins
in: Zach Collins, Sam Hauser (into MLE), Jevon Carter, 32
Utah gets an early second for Collins and looks to flip Hauser later in the season.

Re: UTA/DEN

Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 4:22 am
by Mavrelous
babyjax13 wrote:Here's my modification that makes it bigger which is almost certainly worse ... but I see some kind of alignment between Denver rebalancing their roster at the cost of MPJ and Utah getting involved to facilitate with some of their expiring money:

DEN trades: Michael Porter Jr.
in: Jrue Holiday
Denver cuts some salary and gets a really nice fit next to Murray. Murray - Holiday - Watson - Gordon - Jokic.

CHI trades: Zach Collins, Ayo Dosunmu, Jevon Carter
in: Michael Porter Jr., 26
Chicago gets an elite shooter who is still young enough to be part of their core moving forward + a late pick.

BOS trades: Jrue Holiday, Sam Hauser, 26, 32
in: John Collins, Ayo Dosunmu
Boston gets off future salary commitments but still returns a player who can provide solid defense and secondary playmaking in the backcourt, and a 4/5 who can give them starter-caliber minutes while Tatum is out (and who might be a good KP replacement if they also lose him due to costs).

UTA trades: John Collins
in: Zach Collins, Sam Hauser (into MLE), Jevon Carter, 32
Utah gets an early second for Collins and looks to flip Hauser later in the season.

BOS owe UTA value instead of 32 which UTA don't need, 3-4 distant seconds or a protected future 1st.