Blazers/Kings

[Astaluego]

BLAZERS
In: Sabonis
Out:Ayton/Scott/FRP 29

Too many good guys to pick at the top of the draft, they're trading for a homegrown star who would fit perfectly on their roster. They're drafting a guard with their lottery pick to replace Scott. Jakucionis?

KINGS
In: Henderson/Ayton/Future FRP
Out: Sabonis

with rumors that Domantas could be asked out....I think Sabonis is obviously a very good player, but his value is limited because he needs a very specific build around him (Defense) that the Kings lack..here you get a young high potential, Ayton expiring and a future FRP

[JRoy]

No thanks from POR.

[pipfan]

I think there's something here
Get Chi involved maybe

Sac sends Sabonis to Port
Sac gets #11, #12, Ayton, 2027 unprotected Port pick and maybe the Boston 2028 pick

Chi sends #12 to Sac and Port pick back to them (so they can trade a future pick)
Chi gets Clingan

Port sends Ayton to Sac along with the #11 and a 2027 unprotected pick
Port gets Sabonis and their owed 1st back from Bulls (so they can trade their own 1st)

Bulls deal Vuc somewhere and get a very solid young center, with 3 cheap years left

Sac gets a filler center for a year in Ayton, and 4 picks

Port gets a stud and goes "all in" with
Henderson/Simons
Sharpe/Simons/Thybulle
Deni/Grant/Thybulle
Camara/Grant/Murray
Sabonis/RWill/Reath

[JRoy]

I think there's something here
Get Chi involved maybe

Sac sends Sabonis to Port
Sac gets #11, #12, Ayton, 2027 unprotected Port pick and maybe the Boston 2028 pick

Chi sends #12 to Sac and Port pick back to them (so they can trade a future pick)
Chi gets Clingan

Port sends Ayton to Sac along with the #11 and a 2027 unprotected pick
Port gets Sabonis and their owed 1st back from Bulls (so they can trade their own 1st)

Bulls deal Vuc somewhere and get a very solid young center, with 3 cheap years left

Sac gets a filler center for a year in Ayton, and 4 picks

Port gets a stud and goes "all in" with
Henderson/Simons
Sharpe/Simons/Thybulle
Deni/Grant/Thybulle
Camara/Grant/Murray
Sabonis/RWill/Reath

No team with Sabonis as its best player will amount to anything.

[Texas Chuck]

No team with Scoot as their 4th best player or Ayton in their rotation is likely to either. Never understand why so many posters lack the imagination to see beyond one proposed trade as if the team can do nothing else. Here Portland gets Sabonis on the cheap so there would be plenty of assets to upgrade around him.

If the forwards are the elite players you keep insisting they are, now all you need is a PG upgrade and that should be a very good team.

[JRoy]

No team with Scoot as their 4th best player or Ayton in their rotation is likely to either. Never understand why so many posters lack the imagination to see beyond one proposed trade as if the team can do nothing else. Here Portland gets Sabonis on the cheap so there would be plenty of assets to upgrade around him.

If the forwards are the elite players you keep insisting they are, now all you need is a PG upgrade and that should be a very good team.

POR can get to that kind of mediocrity this trade would bring without trading g for Sabonis.

[Texas Chuck]

No team with Scoot as their 4th best player or Ayton in their rotation is likely to either. Never understand why so many posters lack the imagination to see beyond one proposed trade as if the team can do nothing else. Here Portland gets Sabonis on the cheap so there would be plenty of assets to upgrade around him.

If the forwards are the elite players you keep insisting they are, now all you need is a PG upgrade and that should be a very good team.

POR can get to that kind of mediocrity this trade would bring without trading g for Sabonis.

Then trade the wings while they are cheap. Because there is no point holding on to them if you aren't going to try and get better around them. Because when they make $110M+ combined its going to be much much harder.

[JRoy]

No team with Scoot as their 4th best player or Ayton in their rotation is likely to either. Never understand why so many posters lack the imagination to see beyond one proposed trade as if the team can do nothing else. Here Portland gets Sabonis on the cheap so there would be plenty of assets to upgrade around him.

If the forwards are the elite players you keep insisting they are, now all you need is a PG upgrade and that should be a very good team.

POR can get to that kind of mediocrity this trade would bring without trading g for Sabonis.

Then trade the wings while they are cheap. Because there is no point holding on to them if you aren't going to try and get better around them. Because when they make $110M+ combined its going to be much much harder.

Now that makes sense. Moving one of those guys in a package for a top end guard, or to move up in the draft for that kind of player, seems like a great idea.

[Astaluego]

POR can get to that kind of mediocrity this trade would bring without trading g for Sabonis.

Then trade the wings while they are cheap. Because there is no point holding on to them if you aren't going to try and get better around them. Because when they make $110M+ combined its going to be much much harder.

Now that makes sense. Moving one of those guys in a package for a top end guard, or to move up in the draft for that kind of player, seems like a great idea.

Sharpe+11 HORNETS
Avdija+4 SPURS
2 BLAZERS?

[Myth]

OP’s trade: To be considered, that 2029 pick can’t be unprotected best of the 2 they have or I’m for sure out. Also, don’t love the idea of making a win now move that actually restarts our point guard development timeline. I don’t have a ton of faith that a rookie point guard selected at 11 is ready to be the only point guard on a win now team, so Portland HAS to have a plan to upgrade point for me to be on board.

Pipfan’s trade:
I simply don’t like the value here. Ayton, Clingan 11, and an unprotected 2027? Too rich for me. That’s potentially the equivalent of 3 lottery picks and cheaper contracts for Sabonis, who I like but have defensive concerns about.

[JRoy]

Then trade the wings while they are cheap. Because there is no point holding on to them if you aren't going to try and get better around them. Because when they make $110M+ combined its going to be much much harder.

Now that makes sense. Moving one of those guys in a package for a top end guard, or to move up in the draft for that kind of player, seems like a great idea.

Sharpe+11 HORNETS
Avdija+4 SPURS
2 BLAZERS?

Something like that would be a bold move to upgrade, but the FO would really need to get it right.

[Astaluego]

Sabonis is a 3 time allstart in his prime..just as a reminder and sure after this trade they would need a guard but Domantas himself averages 6 assists per game(which is pretty elite) and you also have good extra passers/creators in Avdija(3.9 assists per game) A.Simons(4.8 assists per game) + the expiring contracts of Thybulle/R.Williams(or Simons himself) and the 12th pick to get a guard if they wanted it. I think that's a package for an allstart edge guard (Lamelo/Reaves/Ja or Fox(if available))

[longfellow44]

I'm not interested in the OP deal. I don't value Scoot the way this trade does, I have said for a while in different threads that in order for the blazers to get sabonis one of Klingan or Avdija has to be part of the deal. It doesn't make sense for the kings to grab a couple lower ceiling players that will likely never be as good as Sabonis is, when trading him should get them a prospect that "could" be better than him in the future. Otherwise why trade him at all.

[JRoy]

I'm not interested in the OP deal. I don't value Scoot the way this trade does, I have said for a while in different threads that in order for the blazers to get sabonis one of Klingan or Avdija has to be part of the deal. It doesn't make sense for the kings to grab a couple lower ceiling players that will likely never be as good as Sabonis is, when trading him should get them a prospect that "could" be better than him in the future. Otherwise why trade him at all.

Cool.

No deal.

[SNPA]

Ayton or Grant + Clingan or Sharpe + 11

That’s the deal for Sabonis.

Then Sac has a lot of options and the Blazers win games.

Clingan/Murray/Ellis/Carter/11/Spurs 27/Minny 31/All Sac 1sts barring a swap in 31. And whatever can be had for DDR and Monk. That’s a future that can work. It’s a defensive identity, just looking for a primary scorer and in the meantime Zach can do that.

[tacos]

Ayton or Grant + Clingan or Sharpe + 11

That’s the deal for Sabonis.

Then Sac has a lot of options and the Blazers win games.

Clingan/Murray/Ellis/Carter/11/Spurs 27/Minny 31/All Sac 1sts barring a swap in 31. And whatever can be had for DDR and Monk. That’s a future that can work. It’s a defensive identity, just looking for a primary scorer and in the meantime Zach can do that.

Sabonis doesn't win games... Sacramento has been trying to build around him and look where they are now

[DiegoChara]

I think there's something here
Get Chi involved maybe

Sac sends Sabonis to Port
Sac gets #11, #12, Ayton, 2027 unprotected Port pick and maybe the Boston 2028 pick

Chi sends #12 to Sac and Port pick back to them (so they can trade a future pick)
Chi gets Clingan

Port sends Ayton to Sac along with the #11 and a 2027 unprotected pick
Port gets Sabonis and their owed 1st back from Bulls (so they can trade their own 1st)

Bulls deal Vuc somewhere and get a very solid young center, with 3 cheap years left

Sac gets a filler center for a year in Ayton, and 4 picks

Port gets a stud and goes "all in" with
Henderson/Simons
Sharpe/Simons/Thybulle
Deni/Grant/Thybulle
Camara/Grant/Murray
Sabonis/RWill/Reath

Generally speaking I’m not a big proponent of targeting Sabonis for Portland.

This one I would at least consider, but there’s no way I’m making any first rounders unprotected. With the lottery odds flattened it’s borderline malpractice to send out unprotected firsts when you aren’t sure (or as sure as is practically possible) that you’re a legit playoff team.

[DiegoChara]

No team with Scoot as their 4th best player or Ayton in their rotation is likely to either. Never understand why so many posters lack the imagination to see beyond one proposed trade as if the team can do nothing else. Here Portland gets Sabonis on the cheap so there would be plenty of assets to upgrade around him.

If the forwards are the elite players you keep insisting they are, now all you need is a PG upgrade and that should be a very good team.

I know my memory isn’t what it used to be, but I could swear Ayton started for a finals team.

[SNPA]

Ayton or Grant + Clingan or Sharpe + 11

That’s the deal for Sabonis.

Then Sac has a lot of options and the Blazers win games.

Clingan/Murray/Ellis/Carter/11/Spurs 27/Minny 31/All Sac 1sts barring a swap in 31. And whatever can be had for DDR and Monk. That’s a future that can work. It’s a defensive identity, just looking for a primary scorer and in the meantime Zach can do that.

Sabonis doesn't win games... Sacramento has been trying to build around him and look where they are now

Sabonis with the right pieces wins games. Without the right pieces he leads teams to .500.

[JRoy]

Ayton or Grant + Clingan or Sharpe + 11

That’s the deal for Sabonis.

Then Sac has a lot of options and the Blazers win games.

Clingan/Murray/Ellis/Carter/11/Spurs 27/Minny 31/All Sac 1sts barring a swap in 31. And whatever can be had for DDR and Monk. That’s a future that can work. It’s a defensive identity, just looking for a primary scorer and in the meantime Zach can do that.

POR is not looking to become the next iteration of the SAC Kings.

Sabonis didn’t work even with Myles Turner next to him.

He is paid like a first option when he is really a second option behind a terrific first option.

Hard no on Sabonis unless he is being routed elsewhere for what POR needs.

And 2 no to a lotto pick/Sharpe or Clingan lol.