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Heat trade: Rozier/Robinson/#20
Heat get: Jrue/Hauser/#28

Boston trades: Jrue/Hauser/#28/26 BOS 1st(top 4, then 2 2nds)
Boston gets: Cam Johnson

Brooklyn trades: Cam Johnson
Brooklyn gets: Rozier/Robinson/#20/26 BOS 1st

Brooklyn gets 2 1sts for Cam and takes on $25M in expiring salary
Boston sheds a ton of salary and gets a useful player back
Miami gets a perfect Heal Culture guy in Jrue and replaces Robinson with the cheaper and locked up Hauser and only drops back a little in the draft, also clears around $5M in room under tax/apron

think Brooklyn deserves more for taking on so much extra salary. (I think Robinson/20/26 bos 1st is about right for Cam)

Godaddycurse wrote:think Brooklyn deserves more for taking on so much extra salary. (I think Robinson/20/26 bos 1st is about right for Cam)

Yeah, thought about them getting 28 too, but at that point the number of firsts this year is just diminishing returns. Boston could pile up 2nds, but bleh.

I think that first will have enough variance that Brooklyn should do it.

Celtics still have talent but replacing Tatum/Jrue (and Hauser and maybe Horford if he decides to move on) with Cam Johnson and vet minimums is pretty scary to me.

jayjaysee wrote:I think that first will have enough variance that Brooklyn should do it.

Celtics still have talent but replacing Tatum/Jrue (and Hauser and maybe Horford if he decides to move on) with Cam Johnson and vet minimums is pretty scary to me.

Oh no question. Part of the appeal of Johnson is he's still under contract when Tatum comes back. But next year Boston definitely aren't contenders. Hence the giant money saving part.

Solid No from the Heat. We can just cut Duncan ourselves and be firmly under the apron. We are not giving up a pick for old Jrue. They might have to include a pick to get rid of him.

wadenation305 wrote:Solid No from the Heat. We can just cut Duncan ourselves and be firmly under the apron. We are not giving up a pick for old Jrue. They might have to include a pick to get rid of him.

Yeah, I'm with you, here. This is a terrible deal for Miami. We're taking on a declining player on a terrible, long deal, giving up our flexibility, and moving down in the draft.

I genuinely hate this...

wadenation305 wrote:Solid No from the Heat. We can just cut Duncan ourselves and be firmly under the apron. We are not giving up a pick for old Jrue. They might have to include a pick to get rid of him.

Yeah that's fair. Worth noting though that instead of carrying the dead gtd money of Robinson, here's its replaced by a quality shooter in Hauser and locked in at that price for several more years. I'd have that as clearly better than waiving Robinson.

But I don't know what the goal is for Miami. Or what better opportunities might surface. Obviously Miami is likely to go big game hunting first, its what they do.

But Jrue is Miami Heat basketball. And I don't have that small of a drop that late as paying much at all for the upgrade.

Texas Chuck wrote:

wadenation305 wrote:Solid No from the Heat. We can just cut Duncan ourselves and be firmly under the apron. We are not giving up a pick for old Jrue. They might have to include a pick to get rid of him.

Yeah that's fair. Worth noting though that instead of carrying the dead gtd money of Robinson, here's its replaced by a quality shooter in Hauser and locked in at that price for several more years. I'd have that as clearly better than waiving Robinson.

But I don't know what the goal is for Miami. Or what better opportunities might surface. Obviously Miami is likely to go big game hunting first, its what they do.

But Jrue is Miami Heat basketball. And I don't have that small of a drop that late as paying much at all for the upgrade.

You're talking about this coming year which is all well and good, but we'd still owe Jrue another two years at $72 million and an additional 3 years at $34 million for Hauser, whereas with Robinson and Rozier we're on the hook for next year and next year alone. That's $106 million in additional commitment to those two guys. I don't think Jrue is going to be worth it. We've had our share of old, declining point guards.

And the worst of it, I don't believe we would be able to afford to pay Davyion Mitchell afterwards. When you consider his potential and that we'll resign Dru Smith, we're better off with that tandem by far.

Texas Chuck wrote:Heat trade: Rozier/Robinson/#20
Heat get: Jrue/Hauser/#28

Boston trades: Jrue/Hauser/#28/26 BOS 1st(top 4, then 2 2nds)
Boston gets: Cam Johnson

Brooklyn trades: Cam Johnson
Brooklyn gets: Rozier/Robinson/#20/26 BOS 1st

Brooklyn gets 2 1sts for Cam and takes on $25M in expiring salary
Boston sheds a ton of salary and gets a useful player back
Miami gets a perfect Heal Culture guy in Jrue and replaces Robinson with the cheaper and locked up Hauser and only drops back a little in the draft, also clears around $5M in room under tax/apron

Slight tweak and this becomes a trade the Heat might consider.
Instead of Duncan they send out Kyle Anderson (who's salary is not guaranteed in 27, so he is an expiring) and they can then waive Duncan to save 10m themselves.

Overall this leaves the Heat with 10 players under contract and 22m under the tax, should be plenty to resign Davion and some vets/projects for the remaining 4 mandatory roster slots.

Ware, Bam, Wiggins, Herro, Jrue as starters and Davion, Highsmith, Jovic, Jaquez, Larsson off the bench

Overall I'm not super excited about this, Jrue could still be a solid PG for them, but his contract is just so long...
This teams ceiling doesn't seem particularly high. Would need to see some leaps from Herro/Ware/Jovic to really get more excited about it, but who knows they could certainly surprise in a weaker East next year.

VaDe255 wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Heat trade: Rozier/Robinson/#20
Heat get: Jrue/Hauser/#28

Boston trades: Jrue/Hauser/#28/26 BOS 1st(top 4, then 2 2nds)
Boston gets: Cam Johnson

Brooklyn trades: Cam Johnson
Brooklyn gets: Rozier/Robinson/#20/26 BOS 1st

Brooklyn gets 2 1sts for Cam and takes on $25M in expiring salary
Boston sheds a ton of salary and gets a useful player back
Miami gets a perfect Heal Culture guy in Jrue and replaces Robinson with the cheaper and locked up Hauser and only drops back a little in the draft, also clears around $5M in room under tax/apron

Slight tweak and this becomes a trade the Heat might consider.
Instead of Duncan they send out Kyle Anderson (who's salary is not guaranteed in 27, so he is an expiring) and they can then waive Duncan to save 10m themselves.

Overall this leaves the Heat with 10 players under contract and 22m under the tax, should be plenty to resign Davion and some vets/projects for the remaining 4 mandatory roster slots.

Ware, Bam, Wiggins, Herro, Jrue as starters and Davion, Highsmith, Jovic, Jaquez, Larsson off the bench

Overall I'm not super excited about this, Jrue could still be a solid PG for them, but his contract is just so long...
This teams ceiling doesn't seem particularly high. Would need to see some leaps from Herro/Ware/Jovic to really get more excited about it, but who knows they could certainly surprise in a weaker East next year.

I'm shocked you're interested in this. It's fiscally irresponsible with such a limited upside. I would much rather just let Rozier expire or even buy him out rather than taking on that financial commitment for those two players. I mean, it's entirely possible that both Dru Smith and Davyion Mitchell could be more productive than Jrue next year.

BBallFreak wrote:

VaDe255 wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:Heat trade: Rozier/Robinson/#20
Heat get: Jrue/Hauser/#28

Boston trades: Jrue/Hauser/#28/26 BOS 1st(top 4, then 2 2nds)
Boston gets: Cam Johnson

Brooklyn trades: Cam Johnson
Brooklyn gets: Rozier/Robinson/#20/26 BOS 1st

Brooklyn gets 2 1sts for Cam and takes on $25M in expiring salary
Boston sheds a ton of salary and gets a useful player back
Miami gets a perfect Heal Culture guy in Jrue and replaces Robinson with the cheaper and locked up Hauser and only drops back a little in the draft, also clears around $5M in room under tax/apron

Slight tweak and this becomes a trade the Heat might consider.
Instead of Duncan they send out Kyle Anderson (who's salary is not guaranteed in 27, so he is an expiring) and they can then waive Duncan to save 10m themselves.

Overall this leaves the Heat with 10 players under contract and 22m under the tax, should be plenty to resign Davion and some vets/projects for the remaining 4 mandatory roster slots.

Ware, Bam, Wiggins, Herro, Jrue as starters and Davion, Highsmith, Jovic, Jaquez, Larsson off the bench

Overall I'm not super excited about this, Jrue could still be a solid PG for them, but his contract is just so long...
This teams ceiling doesn't seem particularly high. Would need to see some leaps from Herro/Ware/Jovic to really get more excited about it, but who knows they could certainly surprise in a weaker East next year.

I'm shocked you're interested in this. It's fiscally irresponsible with such a limited upside. I would much rather just let Rozier expire or even buy him out rather than taking on that financial commitment for those two players. I mean, it's entirely possible that both Dru Smith and Davyion Mitchell could be more productive than Jrue next year.

Oh it's a slight mistake on my part I only want to take back Jrue here.

So the overall deal is:

Heat trade: Rozier/Anderson/#20
Heat get: Jrue/#28

Boston trades: Jrue/#28/26 BOS 1st(top 4, then 2 2nds)
Boston gets: Cam Johnson

Brooklyn trades: Cam Johnson
Brooklyn gets: Rozier/Anderson/#20/26 BOS 1st

Like I said I'm not super excited, but if it is only Jrue I can see it. It also locks the Heat into these players a bit since not much wiggle room remains after for next 2 years, but the Wiggins/Jrue contracts probably remain tradable as their defense is still valuable.

VaDe255 wrote:

BBallFreak wrote:

VaDe255 wrote:
Slight tweak and this becomes a trade the Heat might consider.
Instead of Duncan they send out Kyle Anderson (who's salary is not guaranteed in 27, so he is an expiring) and they can then waive Duncan to save 10m themselves.

Overall this leaves the Heat with 10 players under contract and 22m under the tax, should be plenty to resign Davion and some vets/projects for the remaining 4 mandatory roster slots.

Ware, Bam, Wiggins, Herro, Jrue as starters and Davion, Highsmith, Jovic, Jaquez, Larsson off the bench

Overall I'm not super excited about this, Jrue could still be a solid PG for them, but his contract is just so long...
This teams ceiling doesn't seem particularly high. Would need to see some leaps from Herro/Ware/Jovic to really get more excited about it, but who knows they could certainly surprise in a weaker East next year.

I'm shocked you're interested in this. It's fiscally irresponsible with such a limited upside. I would much rather just let Rozier expire or even buy him out rather than taking on that financial commitment for those two players. I mean, it's entirely possible that both Dru Smith and Davyion Mitchell could be more productive than Jrue next year.

Oh it's a slight mistake on my part I only want to take back Jrue here.

So the overall deal is:

Heat trade: Rozier/Anderson/#20
Heat get: Jrue/#28

Boston trades: Jrue/#28/26 BOS 1st(top 4, then 2 2nds)
Boston gets: Cam Johnson

Brooklyn trades: Cam Johnson
Brooklyn gets: Rozier/Anderson/#20/26 BOS 1st

Like I said I'm not super excited, but if it is only Jrue I can see it. It also locks the Heat into these players a bit since not much wiggle room remains after for next 2 years, but the Wiggins/Jrue contracts probably remain tradable as their defense is still valuable.

I still wouldn't do that. At this point, I see Jrue as a bad contact

BBallFreak wrote:

VaDe255 wrote:

BBallFreak wrote:I'm shocked you're interested in this. It's fiscally irresponsible with such a limited upside. I would much rather just let Rozier expire or even buy him out rather than taking on that financial commitment for those two players. I mean, it's entirely possible that both Dru Smith and Davyion Mitchell could be more productive than Jrue next year.

Oh it's a slight mistake on my part I only want to take back Jrue here.

So the overall deal is:

Heat trade: Rozier/Anderson/#20
Heat get: Jrue/#28

Boston trades: Jrue/#28/26 BOS 1st(top 4, then 2 2nds)
Boston gets: Cam Johnson

Brooklyn trades: Cam Johnson
Brooklyn gets: Rozier/Anderson/#20/26 BOS 1st

Like I said I'm not super excited, but if it is only Jrue I can see it. It also locks the Heat into these players a bit since not much wiggle room remains after for next 2 years, but the Wiggins/Jrue contracts probably remain tradable as their defense is still valuable.

I still wouldn't do that. At this point, I see Jrue as a bad contact

That might be true, but so is Terry, who is effectively dead cap and this is a way to upgrade it.

Also to add why I think Jrue makes sense, he's a bigger guard with a long wingspan who can defend 1-3 (sometimes 4). This is a different kind of defense to what Davion brings, who is smaller with a smaller wingspan and his strength is his energy and on ball defense, which is different to Jrue. Overall I think Jrue will remain a better player than Davion, simply because of the physical tools and experience he has, but that 3rd year on his contract might be tough

VaDe255 wrote:

BBallFreak wrote:

VaDe255 wrote:
Oh it's a slight mistake on my part I only want to take back Jrue here.

So the overall deal is:

Heat trade: Rozier/Anderson/#20
Heat get: Jrue/#28

Boston trades: Jrue/#28/26 BOS 1st(top 4, then 2 2nds)
Boston gets: Cam Johnson

Brooklyn trades: Cam Johnson
Brooklyn gets: Rozier/Anderson/#20/26 BOS 1st

Like I said I'm not super excited, but if it is only Jrue I can see it. It also locks the Heat into these players a bit since not much wiggle room remains after for next 2 years, but the Wiggins/Jrue contracts probably remain tradable as their defense is still valuable.

I still wouldn't do that. At this point, I see Jrue as a bad contact

That might be true, but so is Terry, who is effectively dead cap and this is a way to upgrade it.

Also to add why I think Jrue makes sense, he's a bigger guard with a long wingspan who can defend 1-3 (sometimes 4). This is a different kind of defense to what Davion brings, who is smaller with a smaller wingspan and his strength is his energy and on ball defense, which is different to Jrue. Overall I think Jrue will remain a better player than Davion, simply because of the physical tools and experience he has, but that 3rd year on his contract might be tough

I feel like I'd rather invest more and get someone better if we're going to commit financially like this. Rozier sucks but he expires which makes him far more preferable to our team than Jrue.