Giannis to CLE/KD to Spurs

jredsaz · Post #1 » by **jredsaz** » Fri May 16, 2025 3:36 pm

Cavs receive Giannis Attetokunmpo, Devin Vassell, Keldon Johnson
Costs the Cavs their soul but gets them to the next level. They save +$10M in the process. Would need to add more depth (with limited resources) but this is a talented roster and a finals favorite next season out of the East.

Top 8: Mitchell, Vassell, Hunter, Giannis, Wade, Strus, Johnson, ?

Spurs receive Kevin Durant
Spurs add KD, bring back CP, add #2 overall, keep all their most valued youth, and go war with Wemby. If Wemby takes another leap Spurs are WCF contenders next year (maybe better).

Top 8: Fox, Castle, Sochan, KD, Wemby, CP, Harper, Champaign

Bucks receive Evan Mobley, Jarrett Allen, #14, 2027 ATL 1st via SAS, 2031 CLE 1st
This is a very good deal for the Bucks. They get two all stars and three first round picks in return for the second best player in the NBA.

Top 8: Dame (IL), Green, Kuzma, Mobley, Allen, Livingston, Jackson, Smith

Suns receive Darius Garland, Isaac Okoro, 2 future 2nds via SAS
Suns pivot off of KD and land a long term back court partner for Book. Suns will need to address size but they do add to their youth and athleticism.

Top 8: Garland, Booker, Beal, Okoro, Royce, Dunn, Richards, Allen

JayMKE · Post #2 » by **JayMKE** » Fri May 16, 2025 4:08 pm

Bucks say hell no, Mobley and Allen aren’t building blocks and the picks are mediocre. Cavs can try it with KD, not giving division rival Giannis to win titles with a team while we have no picks of our own and wouldnt even be a playoff team. Not close, not interested in anything Cavs have to offer. Would rather Giannis walk.

Lmfao @ that Bucks top 8, you should feel bad even typing that

wemby · Post #3 » by **wemby** » Fri May 16, 2025 4:11 pm

This is a total tear down of the Cavs team, they should consider making big changes but this is way too much.

I'd frame this as 2 separate deals:
1) Giannis to Cleveland. What is the right return? I'd say Mobley + Garland + Allen is too much
2) KD to the Spurs: I would take a more conservative approach, but not a crazy framework.

wemby · Post #4 » by **wemby** » Fri May 16, 2025 4:20 pm

JayMKE wrote:Bucks say he’ll no, Mobley and Allen aren’t building blocks and the picks are mediocre. Cavs can try it with KD, not giving division rival Giannis to win titles with a team with no picks of its own and wouldnt even be a playoff team. Not close, not interested in anything Cavs have to offer.

Lmfao @ that Bucks top 8, you should feel bad even typing that

So you called a potential Spurs deal with Castle + basically every pick they had (one of which turned into #2) a "poo poo platter" because it didn't contain "elite assets" (even though it had current ROY and #4 pick Castle and 7 picks multiple of which were unprotected "best of" several teams, and one of which ended up being #2) and now you scoff at DPOY Mobley, top 10 NBA center Allen, and 3 good picks? Really? :roll:

Ron Swanson · Post #5 » by **Ron Swanson** » Fri May 16, 2025 4:28 pm

Mobley is a great starting piece but this is a pretty unnecessarily convoluted trade that just serves to give Milwaukee a pretty underwhelming return. So Mobley, and three first round picks, with only one of them (2027 ATL 1st) serving as any sort of potential high upside pick/asset? You can polish up Jarrett Allen as an "All-Star" all you want but for a team in a rebuild situation, his only value here is as salary filler/re-routing him elsewhere for minor draft assets. That resulting Bucks roster is gonna be so imbalanced and terrible that this trade only makes sense for them if you cut out SA or PHX and include New Orleans so they can get their 2026/27 swap and pick back.

Edit: If the Cavs want Giannis this makes much more sense just to do Garland and Mobley plus whatever picks and just keep JA. Don't know why we're involving other teams here when the latter idea seems better for both Milwaukee and Cleveland.

Chinook · Post #6 » by **Chinook** » Fri May 16, 2025 4:35 pm

Feels like Garland and Mobley should be more than enough for Giannis without Allen being in the trade. Yes, Milwaukee may want to break them up into parts, but that's not Cleveland's problem. If they want Vassell, then Devin should be treated like an asset rather than a dead weight. The Spurs shouldn't be footing that bill when they don't need him to go out in a KD deal.

Garland to Phoenix makes sense, so long as the Suns are able to pay for him. They can do a O'Neale for Johnson swap, sending Royce to Cleveland or SA. The Spurs can use the MLE. The Cavs may need to get creative.

Post #7 » by **jbk1234** » Fri May 16, 2025 4:40 pm

I don't think the Cavs even offer Mobley. Before the Mavs traded Luka to the Lakers, they called the Wolves on Ant and the Wolves passed.

JayMKE · Post #8 » by **JayMKE** » Fri May 16, 2025 4:42 pm

wemby wrote:
JayMKE wrote:Bucks say he’ll no, Mobley and Allen aren’t building blocks and the picks are mediocre. Cavs can try it with KD, not giving division rival Giannis to win titles with a team with no picks of its own and wouldnt even be a playoff team. Not close, not interested in anything Cavs have to offer.

Lmfao @ that Bucks top 8, you should feel bad even typing that

So you called a potential Spurs deal with Castle + basically every pick they had (one of which turned into #2) a "poo poo platter" because it didn't contain "elite assets" (even though it had current ROY and #4 pick Castle and 7 picks multiple of which were unprotected "best of" several teams, and one of which ended up being #2) and now you scoff at DPOY Mobley, top 10 NBA center Allen, and 3 good picks? Really?

Mobley and Allen and nice pieces for teams trying to win now not franchise players to build around.

And ya Giannis is a perennial MVP candidate, DPOTY, FMVP, top 15 all time in his prime. Not taking a discount or playing hypotheticals, why would the Bucks want #3 pieces? How are they going to get a #1 or #2?

Bornstellar · Post #9 » by **Bornstellar** » Fri May 16, 2025 4:52 pm

wemby wrote:
JayMKE wrote:Bucks say he’ll no, Mobley and Allen aren’t building blocks and the picks are mediocre. Cavs can try it with KD, not giving division rival Giannis to win titles with a team with no picks of its own and wouldnt even be a playoff team. Not close, not interested in anything Cavs have to offer.

Lmfao @ that Bucks top 8, you should feel bad even typing that

So you called a potential Spurs deal with Castle + basically every pick they had (one of which turned into #2) a "poo poo platter" because it didn't contain "elite assets" (even though it had current ROY and #4 pick Castle and 7 picks multiple of which were unprotected "best of" several teams, and one of which ended up being #2) and now you scoff at DPOY Mobley, top 10 NBA center Allen, and 3 good picks? Really?

Literally any trade proposal he scoffs at :lol:

A young star who just won DPOY + another all-star and multiple first rounders would be an excellent return for a player who in this situation would be asking out. Sadly MIL fans seem to be in denial about Giannis's future

tidho · Post #10 » by **tidho** » Fri May 16, 2025 4:59 pm

If Mobley is leaving there's no point in bringing somebody else in. If MIL things Giannis and Mitchell are some magical combo, CLE is listening.

Slim Charless · Post #11 » by **Slim Charless** » Fri May 16, 2025 5:03 pm

Bornstellar wrote:
wemby wrote:
JayMKE wrote:Bucks say he’ll no, Mobley and Allen aren’t building blocks and the picks are mediocre. Cavs can try it with KD, not giving division rival Giannis to win titles with a team with no picks of its own and wouldnt even be a playoff team. Not close, not interested in anything Cavs have to offer.

Lmfao @ that Bucks top 8, you should feel bad even typing that

So you called a potential Spurs deal with Castle + basically every pick they had (one of which turned into #2) a "poo poo platter" because it didn't contain "elite assets" (even though it had current ROY and #4 pick Castle and 7 picks multiple of which were unprotected "best of" several teams, and one of which ended up being #2) and now you scoff at DPOY Mobley, top 10 NBA center Allen, and 3 good picks? Really?

Literally any trade proposal he scoffs at A young star who just won DPOY + another all-star and multiple first rounders would be an excellent return for a player who in this situation would be asking out. Sadly MIL fans seem to be in denial about Giannis's future

I kinda agree there. Unless some Nugget fan suggests Joker or an OKC fan suggests SGA, then that guy will say no and laugh.

Milwaukee will get a good package, but they won't get what he thinks they will.

Post #12 » by **jbk1234** » Fri May 16, 2025 5:06 pm

tidho wrote:If Mobley is leaving there's no point in bringing somebody else in. If MIL things Giannis and Mitchell are some magical combo, CLE is listening.

The Bucks have nothing else to offer. The trade that makes some sense is Flagg and flotsam for Mitchell.

wemby · Post #13 » by **wemby** » Fri May 16, 2025 5:08 pm

jbk1234 wrote:The Bucks have nothing else to offer. The trade that makes some sense is Flagg and flotsam for Mitchell.

Nico Harrison would be hanged in downtown Dallas. And rightly so.

Post #14 » by **jbk1234** » Fri May 16, 2025 5:15 pm

wemby wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:The Bucks have nothing else to offer. The trade that makes some sense is Flagg and flotsam for Mitchell.

Nico Harrison would be hanged in downtown Dallas. And rightly so.

Maybe, maybe it turns into a Love for Wiggins trade where the veteran actually helps the Mavs advance while AD still has peak years left. Maybe the addition of Mitchell opens up the door to a Kyrie trade once he's taken the floor. But if Flagg doesn't turn out to be the second coming, if he's good but not great, the Mavs will be in a bit of a jam.

DowJones · Post #15 » by **DowJones** » Fri May 16, 2025 5:45 pm

Mobley and Garland for Giannis and Kuzma made sense, but I don’t think the Cavs can make this trade as a 2nd apron team.

jredsaz · Post #16 » by **jredsaz** » Fri May 16, 2025 5:49 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Mobley is a great starting piece but this is a pretty unnecessarily convoluted trade that just serves to give Milwaukee a pretty underwhelming return. So Mobley, and three first round picks, with only one of them (2027 ATL 1st) serving as any sort of potential high upside pick/asset? You can polish up Jarrett Allen as an "All-Star" all you want but for a team in a rebuild situation, his only value here is as salary filler/re-routing him elsewhere for minor draft assets. That resulting Bucks roster is gonna be so imbalanced and terrible that this trade only makes sense for them if you cut out SA or PHX and include New Orleans so they can get their 2026/27 swap and pick back.

Edit: If the Cavs want Giannis this makes much more sense just to do Garland and Mobley plus whatever picks and just keep JA. Don't know why we're involving other teams here when the latter idea seems better for both Milwaukee and Cleveland.

Um, the unprotected 2031 CLE 1st should be absolutely tasty. Giannis is probably retired by then and Spida is 34. Plus #14 is a really good draft is nothing to sneeze at. A lot of good guards will be available in that range.

Cavs don’t have the pick capital to trade and why is Milwaukee tanking? They don’t own their own picks. They will have space to add to their roster because I don’t see Portis picking up his PO. Next year will be kinda rough with the Dame injury but that was happening anyway. Not sure if what you’re looking for fits what the Bucks will want to do.

pad300 · Post #17 » by **pad300** » Fri May 16, 2025 5:54 pm

From SAS's POV, this is

2 FRP's (#14 2025 and ATL 2027 unprotected), 2 SRP's, Johnson and Vassell
for
KD - who's 37 this year and dropping off (24-25 was his worst Drtg ever, and his worst Ortg since 2012...), on a $100M/2 yrs contract and will want similar as an extension.

That's a pretty hard no to me.

jredsaz · Post #18 » by **jredsaz** » Fri May 16, 2025 5:54 pm

JayMKE wrote:Bucks say hell no, Mobley and Allen aren’t building blocks and the picks are mediocre. Cavs can try it with KD, not giving division rival Giannis to win titles with a team while we have no picks of our own and wouldnt even be a playoff team. Not close, not interested in anything Cavs have to offer. Would rather Giannis walk.

Lmfao @ that Bucks top 8, you should feel bad even typing that

That’s the top 8 after the trade and Portis opting out. Covington and Porter Jr probably opt in. #14 gets added to that rotation along with a full MLE guy and the team starts to look stronger. If this is done correctly the Bucks can stay out of the tax and make the play-in in the east all with Dames contract generating nothing on the court.

If you’re not emotionally ready to trade Giannis I get that. I’m the same way with Booker. But to say this is a bad deal and you’d rather just let him walk is hyperbole.

jredsaz · Post #19 » by **jredsaz** » Fri May 16, 2025 5:59 pm

DowJones wrote:Mobley and Garland for Giannis and Kuzma made sense, but I don’t think the Cavs can make this trade as a 2nd apron team.

It’s super close with the roster holds but it should work. Cavs she’s just enough in salary to pull it off. Okeke gets waived. If for some reason it’s just outside of legal there are a number of adjustments that can be made to make it legal without impacting the core of the trade.

jredsaz · Post #20 » by **jredsaz** » Fri May 16, 2025 6:03 pm

pad300 wrote:From SAS's POV, this is

2 FRP's (#14 2025 and ATL 2027 unprotected), 2 SRP's, Johnson and Vassell
for
KD - who's 37 this year and dropping off (24-25 was his worst Drtg ever, and his worst Ortg since 2012...), on a $100M/2 yrs contract and will want similar as an extension.

That's a pretty hard no to me.

You turn your two worst contracts into KD and keep all of your youth. On top of that, the Spurs immediately become a top 4ish team in the West and get to provide their youth with significant playoff experience early in their career. But if you’re down on KD then you’re not buying this. I just don’t think the NBA is as down on KD as this board seems to be.