BOS/DAL/ATL - JB, Jrue, Picks, etc

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BOS/DAL/ATL - JB, Jrue, Picks, etc 

Post#1 » by djFan71 » Sat May 17, 2025 8:49 am

BOS in: Risacher, Okongwu, #13, T Mann, Klay
BOS out: Brown, Jrue, Queta

ATL in: JB, Gafford, Powell, Queta
ATL out: Risacher, Okongwu, #13, 2029 1st, T Mann

DAL in: Jrue
DAL out: Gafford, Klay, Powell


DAL gets Jrue for their (rgm fan) preferred package
BOS saves $27.5M, adds some young guys and picks and resets for a year sans Tatum
ATL gets JB to pair with Trae and JJ along with Gafford and Queta as Kong replacements. They try to make actual playoff noise in a down East.
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Post#2 » by Mavrelous » Sat May 17, 2025 9:00 am

The Hawks are sending 29 1st also? It will.be the hold up...
Celtics are better off trading White IMO, they will get a large haul, and reset in 26 with lots of picks, rebuild around Tatum and Risacher...
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Post#3 » by hugepatsfan » Sat May 17, 2025 12:40 pm

I think Atlanta should keep the 29 1st here and maybe #13. Brown is terrific but cash is king and his deal suppresses his value. It is what it is.

If they can extend Daniels and Gafford in a way that makes them comfortable with the financials then Trae/Daniels/Brown/JJ/Gafford should be one of the better, well fitting starting 5s each year and a really fun team to follow. Not sure I see championship upside but could see it being one of the more successful runs in Hawks history.
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Post#4 » by Texas Chuck » Sat May 17, 2025 12:42 pm

I can't see the Hawks giving all this for Brown.
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Post#5 » by brackdan70 » Sat May 17, 2025 2:23 pm

I agree it feels like the Hawks are giving too much. I don’t think that Brown gets traded, but if he does this seems like a really good return…maybe a bit optimistic. Take out the picks and is it enough. Two young guys that are recent lotto picks that look legit and a useful player in Mann for Boston…seems ok.
Seems ok for Dallas.
Not sure about Atlanta adding Browns contract but if they are willing and you remove at least one of the picks then J could see it
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Post#6 » by djFan71 » Sat May 17, 2025 4:22 pm

Yeah, it’s so hard to value JB cuz his money and flaws are so apparent, but so is his upside and consolidation trades for players of his level are what teams shoot for when trying to take that next step. I can probably be talked into 29 not coming or being a swap, depends on other offers out there. But BOS has to get 13.
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Post#7 » by jayu70 » Sat May 17, 2025 5:32 pm

djFan71 wrote:Yeah, it’s so hard to value JB cuz his money and flaws are so apparent, but so is his upside and consolidation trades for players of his level are what teams shoot for when trying to take that next step. I can probably be talked into 29 not coming or being a swap, depends on other offers out there. But BOS has to get 13.

I think Hawks pass.
That contract!
And with Dyson Daniels also due an early extension.
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Post#8 » by jayjaysee » Sat May 17, 2025 5:42 pm

I think without the 2029 first this is a deal all three teams should do.

Boston still throws away the season but OO/Zac/2026 first with Tatum/White might not even be a tax team while still being really good if they draft well.. (dump Klay/Mann/KP whenever/whereever they can)

But Atlanta gets really unaffordable in a year, so they’d have to feel like a true contender to do this move. I think they could be though? That starting line up is really great even with Gaff. Maybe ownership would pay the tax 2026-2027 and then they move on from whoever is needed to reset.
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Post#9 » by jayu70 » Sat May 17, 2025 6:02 pm

jayjaysee wrote:I think without the 2029 first this is a deal all three teams should do.

Boston still throws away the season but OO/Zac/2026 first with Tatum/White might not even be a tax team while still being really good if they draft well.. (dump Klay/Mann/KP whenever/whereever they can)

But Atlanta gets really unaffordable in a year, so they’d have to feel like a true contender to do this move. I think they could be though? That starting line up is really great even with Gaff. Maybe ownership would pay the tax 2026-2027 and then they move on from whoever is needed to reset.

Being unaffordable in 1 year isn't a good strategy and sound future financial planning. The juice won't be worth the squeeze.
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Post#10 » by jpengland » Sat May 17, 2025 6:06 pm

Paying a 37 year old Jrue 35 million? No thanks.

(That said, it’s the dumb kind of **** Nico would do)
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Post#11 » by djFan71 » Sat May 17, 2025 6:16 pm

jayu70 wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:I think without the 2029 first this is a deal all three teams should do.

Boston still throws away the season but OO/Zac/2026 first with Tatum/White might not even be a tax team while still being really good if they draft well.. (dump Klay/Mann/KP whenever/whereever they can)

But Atlanta gets really unaffordable in a year, so they’d have to feel like a true contender to do this move. I think they could be though? That starting line up is really great even with Gaff. Maybe ownership would pay the tax 2026-2027 and then they move on from whoever is needed to reset.

Being unaffordable in 1 year isn't a good strategy and sound future financial planning. The juice won't be worth the squeeze.

Is ownership 100% against the tax? You get a year to make some noise in the playoffs, reassess how you want to go forward in summer of 2026. Paying everyone is one option. But, everyone is also still movable. JB and Trae one less year, etc.
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Post#12 » by jayjaysee » Sat May 17, 2025 6:17 pm

jayu70 wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:I think without the 2029 first this is a deal all three teams should do.

Boston still throws away the season but OO/Zac/2026 first with Tatum/White might not even be a tax team while still being really good if they draft well.. (dump Klay/Mann/KP whenever/whereever they can)

But Atlanta gets really unaffordable in a year, so they’d have to feel like a true contender to do this move. I think they could be though? That starting line up is really great even with Gaff. Maybe ownership would pay the tax 2026-2027 and then they move on from whoever is needed to reset.

Being unaffordable in 1 year isn't a good strategy and sound future financial planning. The juice won't be worth the squeeze.


If ownership is willing to pay for the 2026-2027 season.. then yeah I think the juice is worth the squeeze?

If ownership isn’t willing to spend big that one season, then they don’t do the deal.

It’s two seasons of being an actual contender for paying the tax one year. Then the team decides which of the four big contracts to move off of to go back to being under the tax..
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Post#13 » by jayu70 » Sat May 17, 2025 6:19 pm

djFan71 wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:I think without the 2029 first this is a deal all three teams should do.

Boston still throws away the season but OO/Zac/2026 first with Tatum/White might not even be a tax team while still being really good if they draft well.. (dump Klay/Mann/KP whenever/whereever they can)

But Atlanta gets really unaffordable in a year, so they’d have to feel like a true contender to do this move. I think they could be though? That starting line up is really great even with Gaff. Maybe ownership would pay the tax 2026-2027 and then they move on from whoever is needed to reset.

Being unaffordable in 1 year isn't a good strategy and sound future financial planning. The juice won't be worth the squeeze.

Is ownership 100% against the tax? You get a year to make some noise in the playoffs, reassess how you want to go forward in summer of 2026. Paying everyone is one option. But, everyone is also still movable. JB and Trae one less year, etc.

YES. Not paying the tax.
Playoff noise for one year is not a sustainable approach while also give up young players with potential and picks, particularly considering Hawks don't contr their 2026 and 2027 drafts.
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Post#14 » by djFan71 » Sat May 17, 2025 6:21 pm

jayjaysee wrote:I think without the 2029 first this is a deal all three teams should do.

Boston still throws away the season but OO/Zac/2026 first with Tatum/White might not even be a tax team while still being really good if they draft well.. (dump Klay/Mann/KP whenever/whereever they can)

But Atlanta gets really unaffordable in a year, so they’d have to feel like a true contender to do this move. I think they could be though? That starting line up is really great even with Gaff. Maybe ownership would pay the tax 2026-2027 and then they move on from whoever is needed to reset.

Yeah, this scenario has a separate KP/Hauser move to duck the tax and get more contracts in that $15-17M range. BOS not great in 2026,but pick is good. Hopefully they draft well in 25 and they’ll have lots of movable money and their own future firsts in summer of 2026 to aggregate for another high level guy around White, JT, Risacher, OO, etc.
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Post#15 » by djFan71 » Sat May 17, 2025 6:26 pm

jayjaysee wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:I think without the 2029 first this is a deal all three teams should do.

Boston still throws away the season but OO/Zac/2026 first with Tatum/White might not even be a tax team while still being really good if they draft well.. (dump Klay/Mann/KP whenever/whereever they can)

But Atlanta gets really unaffordable in a year, so they’d have to feel like a true contender to do this move. I think they could be though? That starting line up is really great even with Gaff. Maybe ownership would pay the tax 2026-2027 and then they move on from whoever is needed to reset.

Being unaffordable in 1 year isn't a good strategy and sound future financial planning. The juice won't be worth the squeeze.


If ownership is willing to pay for the 2026-2027 season.. then yeah I think the juice is worth the squeeze?

If ownership isn’t willing to spend big that one season, then they don’t do the deal.

It’s two seasons of being an actual contender for paying the tax one year. Then the team decides which of the four big contracts to move off of to go back to being under the tax..

Good point. You get 2 years with it, pay tax once for 2 good playoff runs and see where you are. It’s that or hope you get lucky with the slow build through the draft. Might waste Trae’s prime though.
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Post#16 » by oldncreaky » Sat May 17, 2025 6:28 pm

I think this trade proposal is treating Risacher as a throw-in. I know he underwhelmed as a #1 overall pick, but he's a 20 year old who looked to me like he's got a ton of potential, and I'd be shocked if ATL bailed on him
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Post#17 » by kg01 » Sat May 17, 2025 6:40 pm

oldncreaky wrote:I think this trade proposal is treating Risacher as a throw-in. I know he underwhelmed as a #1 overall pick, but he's a 20 year old who looked to me like he's got a ton of potential, and I'd be shocked if ATL bailed on him


Agreed. It can be argued Brown is a distressed asset. No way the Hawks go for this.
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Post#18 » by f l u r p » Sat May 17, 2025 6:49 pm

Mavs should say no.

Jrue and over a hundred mil for 3 years on a team that needs to rebuild makes no sense.

They are not close to being a contender and Jrue doesn’t get them any closer and, in fact, slows down what needs to happen.

I’m just not interested in Jrue as a Mavs fan.
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Post#19 » by djFan71 » Sat May 17, 2025 6:51 pm

oldncreaky wrote:I think this trade proposal is treating Risacher as a throw-in. I know he underwhelmed as a #1 overall pick, but he's a 20 year old who looked to me like he's got a ton of potential, and I'd be shocked if ATL bailed on him

Nah, I have him as the best asset coming back for a top 25 guy who shows up in the playoffs even if he’s a little overpriced. Risacher, 13, OO, Mann is my rough order. Brown is by far the best asset here, imo. He’s maybe overpaid by, what, $10M a year? Not great, yet it’s not the albatross people make it out to be.
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Post#20 » by jayu70 » Sat May 17, 2025 6:54 pm

djFan71 wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:
But Atlanta gets really unaffordable in a year, so they’d have to feel like a true contender to do this move. I think they could be though? That starting line up is really great even with Gaff. Maybe ownership would pay the tax 2026-2027 and then they move on from whoever is needed to reset.

Yeah, this scenario has a separate KP/Hauser move to duck the tax and get more contracts in that $15-17M range. .
As a separate deal:
Hawks can help Boston get under the 2nd Apron:
Hauser into the Bogi $13 mil TPE
KP $30 mil expring for Terence Mann's 3yry $15.5 mil per
KP has injury concerns, so a Hawks team that suffered through its own injuries this year might be reluctant, but might be better able to manage his minutes off the bench behind Okongwu.

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